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 Understanding Unit Trusts (Update 25/6/07 Post#5), Risk taker? Orthodox? All invited.

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maxwoo
post Jun 20 2007, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(yewkhuay @ Apr 23 2007, 10:54 PM)
thanks for all the sharings here, very comprehensive !!
i m still not into UT for few reasons below :
1. Before u ever make money , u already start paying the agent , fund managers money.
2. u trust them for earning, when it gains , they earn n u earn less , when it lose , u lose.
3. when u gain n wanto sell , u lose a bit again .

unless the fund is really performing , yes , u gain , but risk still on ur shoulder.
i see a lot of frens now telling NOW is the time to invest , don't wait ...of course , bull is running .

i could be wrong, just my 2cents for not putting money in UT yet...smile.gif
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Hi guys,

I'm a newbie too when it comes to investing. What kind of advice would you give to me when it comes to investing? I just couldn't make it my mind. Approaching 30 soon so I don't want to waste more time anymore. Trying to retire early or to have some kind of passive income to sustain myself in a long run. Thank you in advance.

Cheers,
Max
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post Jun 21 2007, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 20 2007, 09:26 PM)
<<dun wan higher admin fees, then suffer lower return too laugh.gif>>

This is a bunch of BS.  Even now, I can buy my blue chip stock if I want to and enjoy annual dividend yield of 6% plus possibility of capital appreciation.  And, I do not have to pay admin fee to anyone.  And, the risk level is MUCH MUCH lower than your bond fund

I am not doing this now because I believe the stock market will crash and I can pick up this stock at better price.

<<there is no free lunch in this world...>>

This statement is true.  If people do not to learn and study about investment, they will lose their money easily.

As I usually said, if you do not want to learn, stay in FD.

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Hi dreamer,

I am a noob in investing but is putting the money in FD really good? The fact that people say about FD is very secure is a thing of past. Look at Barings Bank itself and how the people who put their hard-earned money there. Correct me if i'm wrong, I heard that our government will only guarantee a certain limit of money in the bank if the bank collapsed. Just my 2 cents.

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Max
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post Jun 21 2007, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 21 2007, 09:04 AM)
The limit is 60K per A/C.  I do not know whether each separate FD is consider one A/C or multiple A/C.  If you have more than that, spread your money across banks if you worry about that.
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Hi dreamer, I checked with my frens working in bank. It's RM60k per person/ID number.

Cheers,
Max


Added on June 21, 2007, 10:21 am
QUOTE(deadalus @ Jun 21 2007, 08:58 AM)
the chances of the bank collapse is as low as striking a lottery. even if that happens, the government will pay RM 10 Billion to bail them up. Worry not.
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Hi deadalus,

Where do you think our government put their money in? If the bank in Malaysia can collapse, I don't think our government can pay that amount to bail them.

Our banking industry is quite regulated so for it to collapse meaning the whole banking system is screwed. Which means, those banks are doing fishy loan deals with some fishy companies in malaysia.

Just like the EPF. Only time will tell when it will collapse. They have no transparency on their investment strategy. They started off with bailing small companies. Over the time their appetite grow. Now you see them taking over RHB with no concrete reason or business strategy. Soon, probably you will see more as they are getting more daring.

Cheers,
max

This post has been edited by maxwoo: Jun 21 2007, 10:21 AM
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post Jun 21 2007, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Jun 21 2007, 11:09 AM)
maxwoo,

As you said, if banks in Msia bankrupt, mean the banking system already screwed. I think, before the banks bankrupt, more than 90% of the listed companies already bankrupt and even unit trust companies also bankrupt. Means, no matter what investment you do, you also loss money...so, FD is still the safest investment.

Jayen,

Currently, there is no online distribution of unit trust in Msia (except additional investment). The service charge of buying from agent and buying from bank is same now.
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Leek,

That is quite true. No risk, no return. High risk, high return. I guess that's the rule. How about investing in properties, gold or open an account in our neighbouring countries as a hedge plan?

Cheers.
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post Jun 21 2007, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 21 2007, 11:58 AM)
If you have no idea what you are doing, you can get high risk and low return too.

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I guess that's the reason why so many forumers asking for advice from seasoned investor in this forum. We seek for advice on investment so that we won't make the same mistake again. There's just too little time to make the mistake and learn from it. We want to learn from others mistake and avoid doing it.

Everyone is saying that the recession is coming and KLSE might burst soon. I need to ask those who have gone through 85-87 recession and 97-99 recession. How many actually predicted that it will happen and left virtually unscathed from it?

Everyone I know is waiting for the KLSE index to crash so that they can by then buy so-called cheap, good fundamental shares. But is this really so easy and predictable?

It really seems that everyone can save their bullet for now and wait until KLSE crash and start buying shares like Public Bank, YTL, TOTO, DLADY, etc. Then everyone will make money...

What i noticed is experienced investor in this forum are reluctant to share about how to start a proper investment program. While we(the young going-to-be-investor) are not expecting any spoon-feeding, we would definitely appreciate any hint.

Thank you..

 

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