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 Understanding Unit Trusts (Update 25/6/07 Post#5), Risk taker? Orthodox? All invited.

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post Jun 25 2007, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(KingRichard @ Jun 24 2007, 09:50 AM)
low charges and fees are good, but it is also important that the funds perform - maybe they will offer UT that will feed into other funds, because I don't think tune money can attract established fund managers
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Fund managers need to make a living too. Its not that easy to setup a good fund with a good manager unless Tune Money is able to attract multi billion dollar investment where the 0.x% charges can translate into a handsome amount of wages to these managers.

The top fund managers in the world make several hundred mil USD to 1 bil USD annually.

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post Jun 25 2007, 12:26 PM

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may i ask normally how long it takes to get the unit trust cert ? mine already 1 week plus but not yet arrived.

another question, if the maturity date had pass and i did not go and collect my money. i only go collect after 4months later, will my money still collectable or i should go and collect my money on the spot at the maturity date ?? thx
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post Jun 25 2007, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Lefty @ Jun 25 2007, 12:26 PM)
may i ask normally how long it takes to get the unit trust cert ? mine already 1 week plus but not yet arrived. 

another question, if the maturity date had pass and i did not go and collect my money. i only go collect after 4months later, will my money still collectable or i should go and collect my money on the spot at the maturity date ??  thx
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Most probably you can get it in 2-3week time.

What maturity you're talking about? Unit trust has no maturity date.
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post Jun 25 2007, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Jun 25 2007, 12:28 PM)
Most probably you can get it in 2-3week time.

What maturity you're talking about? Unit trust has no maturity date.
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maturity date means . u must put ur money in let say 1 and a half year be4 u can withdraw it .

also what is the means of capital protected. let say i put 5k means i will get back my 5k at least ? is it ? thx
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QUOTE(Lefty @ Jun 25 2007, 12:47 PM)
maturity date means . u must put ur money in let say 1 and a half year be4 u can withdraw it . 

also what is the means of capital protected. let say i put 5k means i will get back my 5k at least ? is it ? thx
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bro, a real unit trust agent or company wouldn't tell you that your capital is guaranteed. At least not that I've known of. I don't think SC allows it to be spoken out even though most of the time you'll get back what u invest plus profits if you invest long enough.
Somemore, I think u mixed it up with FD because someone used FD example to entice you to invest or save with UT. There's no maturity date or a fixed period for you to put in UT. But usually it's advisable to put for at least 3 years....
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A capital guaranteed fund doesnt protect u against inflation risk. It looks like you can secure your initial investment, but in reality you can still be losing in terms of real value of your investment.

And do you think the feature capital guarantee really come at FOC ? Hehe not at all. The fund might pay a sum of money for the 'insurance' or choose a more risk adverse investment strategy that result a less return compare to a similar fund w/o capital guaranteed. In the end, it still come at the expense of the investors.
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post Jun 25 2007, 04:00 PM

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Currently there are several kind of fund out there

1. Normal or convetional type of UT, no time frame, invest in equities or bond.

2. Structured fund/capital guaranteed fund, got time frame usually 1,3 5 years. Typical example woould be like Amasian foreign currency capital protected fund, Hwang-DSB capital guaranteed fund etc. The method they used to achieve capital guaranteed, I had posted before. Some are into some derivaties market for leverage etc. But due to less portion of the fund is exposed in equities in capital guaranteed fund, so expect less return rate compared to normal fund for the like to like comparison.


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 25 2007, 04:00 PM)
Currently there are several kind of fund out there

1. Normal or convetional type of UT, no time frame, invest in equities or bond.

2. Structured fund/capital guaranteed fund, got time frame usually 1,3 5 years. Typical example woould be like Amasian foreign currency capital protected fund, Hwang-DSB capital guaranteed fund etc. The method they used to achieve capital guaranteed, I had posted before. Some are into some derivaties market for leverage etc. But due to less portion of the fund is exposed in equities in capital guaranteed fund, so expect less return rate compared to normal fund for the like to like comparison.
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hey bro , i have some questions need ur help to clear up for me. that means i will get back 5k if i invented 5k ? for the capital guaranteed fund ? Like the Amasian Currency and etc ? thx. and also is it the must for me to redeem the cash on the maturity date or i can redeem it later. thx
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QUOTE(Lefty @ Jun 25 2007, 06:27 PM)
hey bro , i have some questions need ur help to clear up for me. that means i will get back 5k if i invented 5k ? for the capital guaranteed fund ? Like the Amasian Currency and etc ? thx. and also is it the must for me to redeem the cash on the maturity date or i can redeem it later. thx
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If it's a capital guaranteed fund, your capital is protected. Means, if you invest 5k, at least you can get back your 5k after maturity.

Only capital guaranteed funds have certain maturity date, and other funds don't actually have maturity date. When it's matured, I think unit trust company will send you a cheque. So, you do not need to redeem it at that time. When maturity, it should be automatically redeemed. (Correct me if Im wrong)

Normally, capital guaranteed funds may have lower return than others, as they need to invest in some fixed income securities which can secure at least your capital.
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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Jun 25 2007, 11:14 PM)
If it's a capital guaranteed fund, your capital is protected. Means, if you invest 5k, at least you can get back your 5k after maturity.

Only capital guaranteed funds have certain maturity date, and other funds don't actually have maturity date. When it's matured, I think unit trust company will send you a cheque. So, you do not need to redeem it at that time. When maturity, it should be automatically redeemed. (Correct me if Im wrong)

Normally, capital guaranteed funds may have lower return than others, as they need to invest in some fixed income securities which can secure at least your capital.
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sorry , may i know how it is automatic redeem ? means it will send a check to my house ? thx again
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Apr 7 2007, 10:40 PM)
David83,

You still do not get it.  Let's take a fund, 10 years total return of 82%.  So average return is 8.2% per year.  Is this good??  Do you know how to calculate??

A) Assuming initial charge of 5%, so actual total return is

0.95 * 1.82 = 0.78 = 73%


B) Real financial people do not talk about average return.  They talk about compounded return.  Money earns annual compounded interest.

(1.056 ^ 10) = 1.073

So, 78% over 10 year is equal to 5.6% of annual compounded return.

Let's take our lowly FD and check what is the total return over 10 years with 3.7%.  Please note that no initial charge for buying FD.

1.037^10 = 1.438.  So, total return for FD is 43.8%.

The number should be much much higher because FD interest is much much more than 3.7% over the past 10 years. 

KNOW HOW TO CALCULATE!!!

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isn't that the initial charge of 5% is based on ur initial capital investment ? it's not charged on the final fund balance rite...
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 21 2007, 09:23 PM)
Why wait?  Malaysian can open an US stock brokerage A/C with e-trade and buy ETF.  For USD 1K, the cost of trading is 1% and most ETF annual maintenance fee is 0.5% or less.  With this approach, you can buy index fund to cover the whole world at very low cost.

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E-trade might file for bancruptcy... big news in the US now... so beware.

I think 1997 is not a true economy recession. It only affected South Korea, and SEA. Someone decided he wanted to play GOD role in developing countries.

Regarding unit trust, I think that depends on which unit trust and what are they investing in. Unit trust a bit like IPO as well. Cheap when new but as it matured, return will be much lesser than when it started new. Ppl regard UT as a long term investment.
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 20 2007, 09:26 PM)
<<there is no free lunch in this world...>>

This statement is true.  If people do not to learn and study about investment, they will lose their money easily.

As I usually said, if you do not want to learn, stay in FD.

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Hi there. I agree with your statement that if one does not want to learn or incapable of understanding the investment world, one should just stay by the usual FDs. However my dilemma is as inflation is on the heat at the moment, im afraid just depending on FD's 3.7% p.a. returns aint high enough to compensate for inflation. What other options do you personally believe in? I would love to hear ideas from you smile.gif

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abcdefcuk , probably you can point your question to Dreamer at this thread. smile.gif

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/488747/
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QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 17 2007, 06:55 AM)
E-trade might file for bancruptcy... big news in the US now... so beware.

I think 1997 is not a true economy recession. It only affected South Korea, and SEA. Someone decided he wanted to play GOD role in developing countries.

Regarding unit trust, I think that depends on which unit trust and what are they investing in. Unit trust a bit like IPO as well. Cheap when new but as it matured, return will be much lesser than when it started new. Ppl regard UT as a long term investment.
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Wrong concept. no offence though.

equites UT = investment in stock market

It is not about new or old, as their performance is depending on their investment portfolio.
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post Nov 19 2007, 01:01 PM

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Correct, unit trust performance depends on the investment strategies, but not new or old. Some of the old funds perform much better than new funds.
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QUOTE(justin_nys @ Nov 19 2007, 11:11 AM)
abcdefcuk , probably you can point your question to Dreamer at this thread. smile.gif

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/488747/
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thanks for the redirection. i didnt know he had a thread of his own. rclxms.gif

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