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TSHikaru
post Jul 21 2017, 12:30 AM, updated 8y ago

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This is for my condo's doorbell. Right now, outside my door, there is a doorbell that looks like any other condo doorbell - a switch.
Inside, there is wiring to connect to the mechanical doorbell chime.

The problem is - I'd like to replace the switch outside with a different doorbell - the August Smart Doorbell

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The problem is, the August doorbell needs to be wired to 16-24v. I believe this means that I would need to step down the voltage with a transformer as I believe the voltage to our condo doorbells are 240v? How would I be able to do that connection?

I've asked around with renovation electricians and it seems like nobody understands it technical enough to do it. Are there any recommendations to anyone that can help me with this, or if I could purchase a transformer and DIY this - where and how would I go about doing it?

Will something like this work: https://www.amazon.co.uk/JCL-BT8-8-Brand-Be...ell+transformer ?

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post Jul 21 2017, 12:39 AM

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I don't believe the doorbell need a 24v AC, I am not even sure if 24v AC serve any purpose or exists. What you want is probably DC 16-24V, which you can easily obtain by using a simple power supply similar to laptop power supply unit, not a transformer to transform the AC current.

Edit:
Something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/SUPERNIGHT-100-240V-...r/dp/B00LUIHZZE

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TSHikaru
post Jul 21 2017, 01:02 AM

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This is in the back of the doorbell unit:
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This also came with it:
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and the back of it:
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I have no idea what that back piece (2nd and 3rd pic) is - for all I know it might be a transformer. But it isn't called that in the manual - just a back plate.

The unit itself is labeled 16-24V AC as you can see, so that's why I thought that's what's required
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post Jul 21 2017, 07:11 AM

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No instruction or manual?
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post Jul 21 2017, 07:49 AM

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haha...thank you for trying out the August doorbell.
anyway, getting a transformer is not difficult. The problem is where do you hide this transformer? behind the switch, the lobang is not big enough. Your wiring also may not be ready for it as it needs neutral and live wire

if you are willing to do some hacking then it is easy, just bury the transformer inside wall

get a 240VAC to 16-24VAC transformer. The two black wires (your 2nd and 3rd pic) is connected to the output from the transformer. The input part please take care not to electrocute yourself.

like this -
doorbell (pic1) ------ backplate with the two wires (pic 2&3) --------16-24VAC out Transformer 240VAC in ------->your wall wiring is for the switch. you somehow need neutral and live to be available so you can connect these to the transformer input


I really recommend a wireman to do this if you are not familiar with working with AC

btw did you kena any import tax for it? did you also consider the Ring doorbell?

This post has been edited by idoblu: Jul 21 2017, 08:28 AM
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post Jul 21 2017, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(Xaphier @ Jul 21 2017, 12:39 AM)
I don't believe the doorbell need a 24v AC, I am not even sure if 24v AC serve any purpose or exists. What you want is probably DC 16-24V, which you can easily obtain by using a simple power supply similar to laptop power supply unit, not a transformer to transform the AC current.

Edit:
Something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/SUPERNIGHT-100-240V-...r/dp/B00LUIHZZE
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thats AC to DC
we need AC to AC (240VAC to 16-24VAC)

like this -
https://www.lelong.com.my/220v-to-24v-step-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

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post Jul 21 2017, 08:35 AM

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Assuming you are replacing the current doorbell. So it already have the wire from the indoor chime.

So outdoor replace the switch connect with the wire is no problem.

For the indoor, you have to open up the chime and see the connection. According to this August doorbell, normally have a supply 16-24v from the chime. But cannot trust totally.

So you got to inspect the chime side is either direct 240v using or have a transformer step down.

With both way, either you have to use a transformer or tap the chime transformer power. You can use that chime box to cover up everything.

Not difficult if you replacing the current doorbell.
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post Jul 21 2017, 08:35 AM

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I believe this August doorbell works only with existing USA door bell system, where the August door bell only accept AC voltage between 16V and 24V.
This doorbell is designed to directly replace the button press on the conventional doorbell in USA.

Take a look at some of these webpages:
http://diyhousehelp.com/how-to/doorbell-wiring-diagrams
http://www.electrical-online.com/understan...orbell-systems/


Original (Image taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doorbell):
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After Installation:
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So I guess for this August doorbell to work for your house, you got to have the entire doorbell system ready.

For the transformer, since USA main power supply is running at 110VAC, as oppose to 240VAC in Malaysia, your transformer has to be different.
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post Jul 21 2017, 08:44 AM

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Question for topic starter, does your house has existing chime unit ready?
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post Jul 21 2017, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 21 2017, 08:35 AM)
Assuming you are replacing the current doorbell. So it already have the wire from the indoor chime.

So outdoor replace the switch connect with the wire is no problem.

For the indoor, you have to open up the chime and see the connection. According to this August doorbell, normally have a supply 16-24v from the chime. But cannot trust totally.

So you got to inspect the chime side is either direct 240v using or have a transformer step down.

With both way, either you have to use a transformer or tap the chime transformer power. You can use that chime box to cover up everything.

Not difficult if you replacing the current doorbell.
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the august thing is just the outside switch - inside got no chime wan laugh.gif
the existing wall push switch there i think may not have neutral wire....

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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Jul 21 2017, 08:44 AM)
Question for topic starter, does your house has existing chime unit ready?
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it doesnt matter. the august doorbell is nothing but a switch that triggers your smartphone via wifi
there is no chime box

this thing is a pain in the ass, thats why i gave up the idea long ago. i aint paying 1k for a doorbell when nobody rings it
im staying in a condo, no visitors except for those on my floor can visit me anyway laugh.gif
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 21 2017, 08:49 AM)
the august thing is just the outside switch - inside got no chime wan  laugh.gif
the existing wall push switch there i think may not have neutral wire....
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Just like the alexander3133 diagram.

I mean the chime is the existing chime. Make use that chime internal transformer and the cover for the august thing.

You have to rewiring the chime side so the outdoor 2 wire become live and neutral. By just connect to the chime transformer.

Very much depend on the existing chime.
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post Jul 21 2017, 09:13 AM

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This shall be the common doorbell setup in Malaysia house

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If the topic starter does have existing indoor chime/doorbell unit ready, next step is have to measure the wires connecting to the door bell switch using a multimeter.
If the voltage measured is AC, and falls within the voltage range specified in the August doorbell, then it is a good to go.
If it is not, then consider changing to another indoor chime/doorbell.

One thing shall be noted: those battery operated only chime/doorbell won't work on August doorbell.


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post Jul 21 2017, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Jul 21 2017, 07:11 AM)
No instruction or manual?
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The instruction/manual is extremely bare and doesn't say anything except connect it. It's meant for the US market after all.


QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 21 2017, 07:49 AM)
haha...thank you for trying out the August doorbell.
anyway, getting a transformer is not difficult. The problem is where do you hide this transformer? behind the switch, the lobang is not big enough. Your wiring also may not be ready for it as it needs neutral and live wire

if you are willing to do some hacking then it is easy, just bury the transformer inside wall

get a 240VAC to 16-24VAC transformer. The two black wires (your 2nd and 3rd pic) is connected to the output from the transformer. The input part please take care not to electrocute yourself.

like this -
doorbell (pic1) ------ backplate with the two wires (pic 2&3) --------16-24VAC out Transformer 240VAC in ------->your wall wiring is for the switch. you somehow need neutral and live to be available so you can connect these to the transformer input
I really recommend a wireman to do this if you are not familiar with working with AC

btw did you kena any import tax for it? did you also consider the Ring doorbell?
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Already planning to pay to do hacking for this if required to. Been asking wireman around and no one would do it as they are unfamiliar.

Yes, kena import tax on the whole thing. I bought the set with the August Smart Lock, Doorbell Cam and Smart Keypad. Did not consider the Ring. Reason for it is for airbnb digital lock - so I can remotely deal with digital keys, unlock remotely and a physical keypad in case digital is not my guest's cup of tea.


QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 21 2017, 08:53 AM)
it doesnt matter. the august doorbell is nothing but a switch that triggers your smartphone via wifi
there is no chime box

this thing is a pain in the ass, thats why i gave up the idea long ago. i aint paying 1k for a doorbell when nobody rings it
im staying in a condo, no visitors except for those on my floor can visit me anyway  laugh.gif
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I think that's right - the doorbell is just a switch. Again, my reason for using it is for Airbnb purposes - where it makes sense as my unit is in Cyberjaya and I'm located in KL. Remote unlock for guests, digital keys and keypad unlock all will make 24 hr check in useful.

QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Jul 21 2017, 09:13 AM)
This shall be the common doorbell setup in Malaysia house

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If the topic starter does have existing indoor chime/doorbell unit ready, next step is have to measure the wires connecting to the door bell switch using a multimeter.
If the voltage measured is AC, and falls within the voltage range specified in the August doorbell, then it is a good to go.
If it is not, then consider changing to another indoor chime/doorbell.

One thing shall be noted: those battery operated only chime/doorbell won't work on August doorbell.
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Right now, I don't have an existing indoor chime unit. There are the wires:
user posted image
but I've not bought a unit yet.

Are you saying that I can buy a unit that has a transformer built in and then the switch would be 16-24V as it is a loop with the wire there? Any idea what kind of chime unit has that in Malaysia?

Thanks all for your input!
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post Jul 21 2017, 11:52 AM

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Just now I measured the voltage on my house doorbell press switch side, and I got 0.1X volt AC and 4.4X volt DC.
I have Hager WGDC01 (electronic) door chime and a normal doorbell press switch.

So from here I can say, not all doorbell or chime works the same.


TS, you still can get this thing work, using two ways:

1. With door bell. If you want to have ding dong sound when someone press your August doorbell, you have to search for a doorbell with transformer that output the AC voltage within the range specified on your August doorbell specification.

2. Without door bell. With no ding dong sound, you probably can just get a 240V to 16V AC step down transformer and connect directly to your August doorbell, all the video and WiFi will still work.
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post Jul 21 2017, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Jul 21 2017, 11:52 AM)
Just now I measured the voltage on my house doorbell press switch side, and I got 0.1X volt AC and 4.4X volt DC.
I have Hager WGDC01 (electronic) door chime and a normal doorbell press switch.

So from here I can say, not all doorbell or chime works the same.
TS, you still can get this thing work, using two ways:

1. With door bell. If you want to have ding dong sound when someone press your August doorbell, you have to search for a doorbell with transformer that output the AC voltage within the range specified on your August doorbell specification.

2. Without door bell. With no ding dong sound, you probably can just get a 240V to 16V AC step down transformer and connect directly to your August doorbell, all the video and WiFi will still work.
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Hmm, I would prefer it to be option #1. Let me search around then. The door chime isn't easy to look for online. A lot of the sellers in Malaysia seem to only sell the cap ayam ones without brand and there isn't a lot of technical information available online. I'll post what I can find if I find anything. So that means if I get a door chime that has the correct voltage then the door bell would be at that voltage? Isn't the wire already wired to be 240v in a loop to the mains?
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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Jul 21 2017, 11:55 AM)
So that means if I get a door chime that has the correct voltage then the door bell would be at that voltage? Isn't the wire already wired to be 240v in a loop to the mains?
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What do you mean by these questions?

The normal doorbell that has transformer built in, still have to connect to the 240V AC main supply, but the output voltage of the transformer may be different from one door bell to another. It depends on how the designer that design the door bell, and also what electrical components are used.

What I would advise is, go to physical shop, ask the shop owner or anyone familiar with electrical, to test out the door bell selling in the shop, use a multimeter (either from the shop or you bring your own), to measure the AC voltage value on the doorbell terminal that normally connects to doorbell switch. From there you can know whether if the door bell will work for your August door bell or not.
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One example, take a look of these picture in one of the post in lowyat forum:
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=76335242

In those pictures, you can see a white block that stated:
PRI: 230V ~ 50Hz
SEC: 11.8V ~ 6VA

With this information, you can know that the output voltage (or secondary voltage) of the transformer inside the doorbell is around 12 VAC.
So most likely the voltage of the doorbell switch side is also around 12V AC, but measure the terminals again to double confirm.
With this 12V output voltage, your August doorbell will not work with this door bell.
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TS pls give review of your August Smart Lock when ready. im interested
thanks in advance biggrin.gif

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Just so everyone is aware, do not wire an outdoor switch exposed to rain with 230V AC..

50mA @ 230V AC will kill and it will not trip the RCD or any of your overload mcb's..

Pls get a certified wireman to do your wiring..
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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Jul 21 2017, 11:16 AM)
The instruction/manual is extremely bare and doesn't say anything except connect it. It's meant for the US market after all.
Already planning to pay to do hacking for this if required to. Been asking wireman around and no one would do it as they are unfamiliar.

Yes, kena import tax on the whole thing. I bought the set with the August Smart Lock, Doorbell Cam and Smart Keypad. Did not consider the Ring. Reason for it is for airbnb digital lock - so I can remotely deal with digital keys, unlock remotely and a physical keypad in case digital is not my guest's cup of tea.
I think that's right - the doorbell is just a switch. Again, my reason for using it is for Airbnb purposes - where it makes sense as my unit is in Cyberjaya and I'm located in KL. Remote unlock for guests, digital keys and keypad unlock all will make 24 hr check in useful.
Right now, I don't have an existing indoor chime unit. There are the wires:
user posted image
but I've not bought a unit yet.

Are you saying that I can buy a unit that has a transformer built in and then the switch would be 16-24V as it is a loop with the wire there? Any idea what kind of chime unit has that in Malaysia?

Thanks all for your input!
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With that wire in the picture , it is pretty easy to install the cam now.

Get the transformer in lelong as idoblu mention (quite expensive) and a plastic electrical box that big enough for the transformer.

From the picture got 5 wire. The top 2 yellow wire is go to the outdoor switch 24v. The 3 wire below is live, neutral and earth 240v.

For the rest of join wire and case up the transformer, get a electrician if you not experience.
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post Jul 21 2017, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Jul 21 2017, 12:30 PM)
One example, take a look of these picture in one of the post in lowyat forum:
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=76335242

In those pictures, you can see a white block that stated:
PRI: 230V ~ 50Hz
SEC: 11.8V ~ 6VA

With this information, you can know that the output voltage (or secondary voltage) of the transformer inside the doorbell is around 12 VAC.
So most likely the voltage of the doorbell switch side is also around 12V AC, but measure the terminals again to double confirm.
With this 12V output voltage, your August doorbell will not work with this door bell.
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Gotcha. This will be something I look at if the alternative below fails. Been searching all day for a mains power unit (with built in transformer) with 220-240v in and 16-24v out but failed to find any. The combinations are typically 220-240v in and 8-12v out, or 110-120v in and 16-24v out.


QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 21 2017, 12:57 PM)
TS pls give review of your August Smart Lock when ready. im interested
thanks in advance biggrin.gif
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Will do - once I have a good run of it integrated with the Doorbell. The Smart Lock itself, for now is alright in reliability. I DIY'ed the deadbolt and idk if it's too tight or something but the smart lock fails sometimes in unlocking the unit. Then I'd take the handle of the door, pull it tighter, then it'll open. Like it doesn't have enough power, but this might be due to the tightness due to a DIY'ed deadbolt.

QUOTE(Richard @ Jul 21 2017, 08:45 PM)
Just so everyone is aware, do not wire an outdoor switch exposed to rain with 230V AC..

50mA @ 230V AC will kill and it will not trip the RCD or any of your overload mcb's..

Pls get a certified wireman to do your wiring..
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Duly noted, tried to get numerous wireman to take on this task actually but all rejected. Also, this is an indoor condo doorbell so should be better.

QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 21 2017, 09:01 PM)
With that wire in the picture , it is pretty easy to install the cam now.

Get the transformer in lelong as idoblu mention (quite expensive) and a plastic electrical box that big enough for the transformer.

From the picture got 5 wire. The top 2 yellow wire is go to the outdoor switch 24v. The 3 wire below is live, neutral and earth 240v.

For the rest of join wire and case up the transformer, get a electrician if you not experience.
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Oh - that simplifies the explanation a lot.
Does that mean by putting the transformer there, I do not need to buy the door chime anymore? (And thus no ding dong when the door bell is pressed)
As for the lelong transformer, would this one from Amazon UK work as well? It looks much more... professional and reliable.

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post Jul 22 2017, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Jul 21 2017, 09:50 PM)
The combinations are typically 220-240v in and 8-12v out,

By putting the transformer there, I need to buy the door chime(And thus ding dong when the door bell is pressed)

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Bro Ozak have given clear instructions and the above is true..

buy an AC doorbell with built in transformer and chime(ding dong)

- wire up the 240V supply and switch ( if you have the correct doorbell the switch voltage should be 24V or lower, ac or dc)

- done..

Edit * the only reason a wireman will reject this simple job is if you are paying less money..

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QUOTE(Richard @ Jul 22 2017, 01:35 AM)
Bro Ozak have given clear instructions and the above is true..

buy an AC doorbell with built in transformer and chime(ding dong)

- wire up the 240V supply and switch ( if you have the correct doorbell the switch voltage should be 24V or lower, ac or dc)

- done..
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I don't know if you read, but "Bro Ozak" recommended on the last post to just buy a transformer and use that, and not what you proposed.
Also, you don't seem to try and understand the requirements either, since like I said, there isn't a 240V main supply doorbell with built in transformer that has a secondary voltage between 16V - 24V. The two combinations that I can find upon hours of research were:
220V-240V main supply - 8V-12V secondary voltage
110-120V main supply - 16-24V secondary voltage
The combination that I need to make this work - seeing that we're in Malaysia, and our mains is 220V-240V, and the August Doorcam requiring 16V-24V does not exist as one of the combinations.
Hence I can't just "buy an AC doorbell" because the combination required does not seem to exist.
You're also spreading misinformation by saying that the switch voltage should be 24V or lower, AC or DC. Firstly, AC is required and DC does not work. Secondly, it clearly states 16V-24V, and anything lower than that will not power the doorbell up. That means I can't just "buy an AC doorbell" which secondary voltage is 8V-12V and use it since it won't be enough power for the doorbell.

Now, I am trying to get a feedback to see if the transformer I linked should work as well, based on Ozak's last post regarding the fact that I can just use a transformer at the end point instead of a AC doorbell with built in transformer.

QUOTE(Richard @ Jul 22 2017, 01:35 AM)
Edit * the only reason a wireman will reject this simple job is if you are paying less money..
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Uh, okay. I'm sure you've tried explaining what's needed to the wireman and they have accepted the job before.
What arrogance in determining that I am paying less money. Before the money conversation even comes up, they already rejected saying they don't have the expertise to do it, or that it's hard to find a suitable transformer. Don't know what your comment serves other than to be negative when you know nothing of the facts.

As with your prior random "warning" about wiring up the doorbell at 230V outdoors when my entire circuit is indoors within a condo, it clearly shows that you do not read at all and just try to be a smartass here. You're contributing nothing and is spreading misinformation towards others that might be using this resource next time to wire up their own units.
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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Jul 21 2017, 09:50 PM)
Oh - that simplifies the explanation a lot.
Does that mean by putting the transformer there, I do not need to buy the door chime anymore? (And thus no ding dong when the door bell is pressed)
As for the lelong transformer, would this one from Amazon UK work as well? It looks much more... professional and reliable.
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Since you don't have the chime, than you don't need to get 1. People recommended the chime is
1) if you already have the chime and modify to use for the August cam.
2) internal chime have the transformer. So you can make use that transformer. The others parts is useless after modify.
3) the chime box are look nicer to be hang on the wall. Than a plain plastic box.
4) buying the chime is cheaper probably than a transformer and a box.

Once you modify the chime for the August cam, the chime no longer will sound. Got to understand this. Cause you already bypass the solenoid in it.

The Amazon transformer also can be use. But you got to check the August cam power usage. The August cam pic doesn't show the power usage. The Amazon transformer only supply about 8w or 0.33A. Compare to the lelong which supply about 80w.

If the August cam use below 8w, you can go ahead get the Amazon transformer.
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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Jul 22 2017, 02:08 AM)
I don't know if you read, but "Bro Ozak" recommended on the last post to just buy a transformer and use that, and not what you proposed.
Also, you don't seem to try and understand the requirements either, since like I said, there isn't a 240V main supply doorbell with built in transformer that has a secondary voltage between 16V - 24V. The two combinations that I can find upon hours of research were:
220V-240V main supply - 8V-12V secondary voltage
110-120V main supply - 16-24V secondary voltage
The combination that I need to make this work - seeing that we're in Malaysia, and our mains is 220V-240V, and the August Doorcam requiring 16V-24V does not exist as one of the combinations.
Hence I can't just "buy an AC doorbell" because the combination required does not seem to exist.
You're also spreading misinformation by saying that the switch voltage should be 24V or lower, AC or DC. Firstly, AC is required and DC does not work. Secondly, it clearly states 16V-24V, and anything lower than that will not power the doorbell up. That means I can't just "buy an AC doorbell" which secondary voltage is 8V-12V and use it since it won't be enough power for the doorbell.

Now, I am trying to get a feedback to see if the transformer I linked should work as well, based on Ozak's last post regarding the fact that I can just use a transformer at the end point instead of a AC doorbell with built in transformer.
Uh, okay. I'm sure you've tried explaining what's needed to the wireman and they have accepted the job before.
What arrogance in determining that I am paying less money. Before the money conversation even comes up, they already rejected saying they don't have the expertise to do it, or that it's hard to find a suitable transformer. Don't know what your comment serves other than to be negative when you know nothing of the facts.

As with your prior random "warning" about wiring up the doorbell at 230V outdoors when my entire circuit is indoors within a condo, it clearly shows that you do not read at all and just try to be a smartass here. You're contributing nothing and is spreading misinformation towards others that might be using this resource next time to wire up their own units.
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You are trying to diy wire a doorbell with mains voltage and asking for advice in a renovations forum.. and you rant? Wtf?

When you're done get someone with electrical knowledge to check your installation..

Seriously ..
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 22 2017, 02:10 PM)
Since you don't have the chime, than you don't need to get 1. People recommended the chime is
1) if you already have the chime and modify to use for the August cam.
2) internal chime have the transformer. So you can make use that transformer. The others parts is useless after modify.
3) the chime box are look nicer to be hang on the wall. Than a plain plastic box.
4) buying the chime is cheaper probably than a transformer and a box.

Once you modify the chime for the August cam, the chime no longer will sound. Got to understand this. Cause you already bypass the solenoid in it.

The Amazon transformer also can be use. But you got to check the August cam power usage. The August cam pic doesn't show the power usage. The Amazon transformer only supply about 8w or 0.33A. Compare to the lelong which supply about 80w.

If the August cam use below 8w, you can go ahead get the Amazon transformer.
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Regarding the chime - most chimes that are sold here in Malaysia are 240v primary but their transformers seem to be 12v secondary. Hence the transformers don't seem like they would work with the doorbell. No luck on finding a 16-24v secondary chime yet. Thus, like you said if I buy the chime, probably for the box, and then discard the transformer (since I need to replace it with mine) and the chime itself wouldn't work since the voltage is different, right?

Also, after some research:
The spec sheet given here that I could find (http://august.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/August-DoorbellCamSpecSheet.pdf) shows Power Requirement 16-24VAC ~ 50-60Hz 0.2A, thus technically the Amazon transformer would be enough.

Right now though, trying to find something accessible locally, I have so far found a bunch of transformers that I think would fit the bill including this:
http://my.rs-online.com/web/p/din-rail-pan...ormers/7762966/ - 25VA
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http://my.rs-online.com/web/p/din-rail-pan...ormers/8802618/ - 63VA
or
http://my.rs-online.com/web/p/din-rail-pan...ormers/8802609/ - 40VA

Out of the 3, I believe any of them would probably work fine based on the spec requirements. Schneider is the only brand I recognize between the 3 of them, but the price is also significantly higher, and for some reason the 63VA one is cheaper than 40VA one. My current plan is to order one of the 63VA one and use that. I will try and ask a wireman to install for me, or do you think I can probably connect it myself? I assume 'DIN rail mounting' means there is some way for it to be mounted onto the circuit breaker area.
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Wouldn't something like this be much easier?
https://my.rs-online.com/web/p/plug-in-power-supply/7300247/
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Wouldn't something like this be much easier?
https://my.rs-online.com/web/p/plug-in-power-supply/7300247/
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Yes.. just buy a 3 pin ac adapter (anything between 16-24V AC output rated for 5W)..

connect wire in the switch and chime..

or find a laptop adaptor rated for 19V DC, steal its transformer for free and wire it in..

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Regarding the chime - most chimes that are sold here in Malaysia are 240v primary but their transformers seem to be 12v secondary. Hence the transformers don't seem like they would work with the doorbell. No luck on finding a 16-24v secondary chime yet. Thus, like you said if I buy the chime, probably for the box, and then discard the transformer (since I need to replace it with mine) and the chime itself wouldn't work since the voltage is different, right?

Also, after some research:
The spec sheet given here that I could find (http://august.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/August-DoorbellCamSpecSheet.pdf) shows Power Requirement 16-24VAC ~ 50-60Hz 0.2A, thus technically the Amazon transformer would be enough.

Right now though, trying to find something accessible locally, I have so far found a bunch of transformers that I think would fit the bill including this:
http://my.rs-online.com/web/p/din-rail-pan...ormers/7762966/ - 25VA
or
http://my.rs-online.com/web/p/din-rail-pan...ormers/8802618/ - 63VA
or
http://my.rs-online.com/web/p/din-rail-pan...ormers/8802609/ - 40VA

Out of the 3, I believe any of them would probably work fine based on the spec requirements. Schneider is the only brand I recognize between the 3 of them, but the price is also significantly higher, and for some reason the 63VA one is cheaper than 40VA one. My current plan is to order one of the 63VA one and use that. I will try and ask a wireman to install for me, or do you think I can probably connect it myself? I assume 'DIN rail mounting' means there is some way for it to be mounted onto the circuit breaker area.
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If you can't find the chime with the suitable voltage, than forget it. Unless you want the chime box to make it nice.

The chime wouldn't work together with the August cam is because you modify it. Not the voltage different. The purpose is to use the Chime transformer. But once you modify to use the transformer, the chime solenoid that strike the bell will be disconnect. And the 2 wire suppose to connect to switch outdoor become a 24v supply wire for the August cam.

The 3 transformer you suggest is working find for the August cam. It well over 0.2A.

But the transformer size is freaking big and heavy. Are you sure you want it to hang at the wall? Even the 25VA size is consider big. No chime box can cover all this 3 transformer. Better check the size.

DIN rail is a long bracket for mounting the electrical component. You need to drill 2 hole to screw the rail to the wall and hook the transformer on the rail. It come in 1meter and material is either metal or aluminium. Price vary from RM5 to RM20. Which RM5 is freaking thin and soft metal. You wouldn't want it to mount the heavy transformer on it. Cut the rail to your desire length.

I think DecaPix suggest the adaptor is much more suitable. Cheaper.

I m not sure your skill. (you didn't mention here) Better just get the electrician. Even it is easy wiring.

Till this stage, any electrician can do the wiring.

Specially for DecaPix suggest transformer. Get a wall socket install, cut the adaptor wire and joint to the outdoor 2 wire. Than plug the adaptor to the wall socket. Parts less than RM90.

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QUOTE(DecaPix @ Jul 26 2017, 01:40 AM)
Wouldn't something like this be much easier?
https://my.rs-online.com/web/p/plug-in-power-supply/7300247/
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Thanks for the info. Considering this but trying to figure out how to wire it as it's outdoors, with no sockets around.

QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 26 2017, 09:17 AM)
If you can't find the chime with the suitable voltage, than forget it. Unless you want the chime box to make it nice.

The chime wouldn't work together with the August cam is because you modify it. Not the voltage different. The purpose is to use the Chime transformer. But once you modify to use the transformer, the chime solenoid that strike the bell will be disconnect. And the 2 wire suppose to connect to switch outdoor become a 24v supply wire for the August cam.

The 3 transformer you suggest is working find for the August cam. It well over 0.2A.

But the transformer size is freaking big and heavy. Are you sure you want it to hang at the wall? Even the 25VA size is consider big. No chime box can cover all this 3 transformer. Better check the size.

DIN rail is a long bracket for mounting the electrical component. You need to drill 2 hole to screw the rail to the wall and hook the transformer on the rail. It come in 1meter and material is either metal or aluminium. Price vary from RM5 to RM20. Which RM5 is freaking thin and soft metal. You wouldn't want it to mount the heavy transformer on it. Cut the rail to your desire length.

I think DecaPix suggest the adaptor is much more suitable. Cheaper.

I m not sure your skill. (you didn't mention here) Better just get the electrician. Even it is easy wiring.

Till this stage, any electrician can do the wiring.

Specially for DecaPix suggest transformer. Get a wall socket install, cut the adaptor wire and joint to the outdoor 2 wire. Than plug the adaptor to the wall socket. Parts less than RM90.
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I have 0 skills in electrical wiring. Trying to figure this out as I have tried reaching out to renovation contractors / electricians and all of them shrugged and said they don't do. If I could buy this transformer recommended by DecaPix and then pay an electrician to have it setup without the headache for me I would do it in a heartbeat.

The question to me is, since it's outdoors (the doorcam bell), like literally outside the door, that would mean I would need to get a contractor to hack the wall to put in this cable and somehow go through the wall towards a socket near the door?

Or do you mean I can literally splice open this transformer's end wire and use it to feed the 2 yellow wire of this part:
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and somehow figure out how to use the other 3 wires to power up the UK plug adapter side as well?

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Frankly, if you have no knowledge of electric, please don't play with live voltage or diy. These things kill. If it not wired properly you may end up shorting people pressing the bell.


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Frankly, if you have no knowledge of electric, please don't play with live voltage or diy. These things kill. If it not wired properly you may end up shorting people pressing the bell.
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To be honest, my plan is to basically come out with a plan then ask the electrician affliated with the renovation company I used (he installed a few power sockets for me just 2 weeks ago) to actually do it. I approached him with the problem and he just said he cannot do. I know my limits and live 240v isn't a joke, I understand that.
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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Jul 26 2017, 11:09 AM)
Thanks for the info. Considering this but trying to figure out how to wire it as it's outdoors, with no sockets around.
I have 0 skills in electrical wiring. Trying to figure this out as I have tried reaching out to renovation contractors / electricians and all of them shrugged and said they don't do. If I could buy this transformer recommended by DecaPix and then pay an electrician to have it setup without the headache for me I would do it in a heartbeat.

The question to me is, since it's outdoors (the doorcam bell), like literally outside the door, that would mean I would need to get a contractor to hack the wall to put in this cable and somehow go through the wall towards a socket near the door?

Or do you mean I can literally splice open this transformer's end wire and use it to feed the 2 yellow wire of this part:
user posted image
and somehow figure out how to use the other 3 wires to power up the UK plug adapter side as well?
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If no skill, than don't touch at all. Keep on looking for the electrician that can do it for you. I don't understand what so difficult with such easy wiring. Probably you didn't explain much to them or your explanation to them too complicated ?

Your outdoor should have the doorbell wiring already. Given the picture you post. There is no hacking or wiring to do at all. Please check your outdoor where the wiring goes. Either the developer leave the wire like that (picture) for outdoor or already have a wall mount doorbell socket switch. Take out that doorbell switch and replace with the cam.

Even I show you the wiring below picture, you still have to use multitester to check and confirm the wiring which is which. Cause that yellow wire can make people mistake and confuse. (There are too close).

user posted image
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 26 2017, 11:39 AM)
If no skill, than don't touch at all. Keep on looking for the electrician that can do it for you. I don't understand what so difficult with such easy wiring. Probably you didn't explain much to them or your explanation to them too complicated ?

Your outdoor should have the doorbell wiring already. Given the picture you post. There is no hacking or wiring to do at all. Please check your outdoor where the wiring goes. Either the developer leave the wire like that (picture) for outdoor or already have a wall mount doorbell socket switch. Take out that doorbell switch and replace with the cam.

Even I show you the wiring below picture, you still have to use multitester to check and confirm the wiring which is which. Cause that yellow wire can make people mistake and confuse. (There are too close).

user posted image
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That diagram makes total sense.
Outside, indeed there's already a doorbell switch (which should be removed and replaced)
user posted image

Will ask electrician about this.

Thanks!
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 26 2017, 11:39 AM)
If no skill, than don't touch at all. Keep on looking for the electrician that can do it for you. I don't understand what so difficult with such easy wiring. Probably you didn't explain much to them or your explanation to them too complicated ?

Your outdoor should have the doorbell wiring already. Given the picture you post. There is no hacking or wiring to do at all. Please check your outdoor where the wiring goes. Either the developer leave the wire like that (picture) for outdoor or already have a wall mount doorbell socket switch. Take out that doorbell switch and replace with the cam.

Even I show you the wiring below picture, you still have to use multitester to check and confirm the wiring which is which. Cause that yellow wire can make people mistake and confuse. (There are too close).

user posted image
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 26 2017, 11:39 AM)
If no skill, than don't touch at all. Keep on looking for the electrician that can do it for you. I don't understand what so difficult with such easy wiring. Probably you didn't explain much to them or your explanation to them too complicated ?

Your outdoor should have the doorbell wiring already. Given the picture you post. There is no hacking or wiring to do at all. Please check your outdoor where the wiring goes. Either the developer leave the wire like that (picture) for outdoor or already have a wall mount doorbell socket switch. Take out that doorbell switch and replace with the cam.

Even I show you the wiring below picture, you still have to use multitester to check and confirm the wiring which is which. Cause that yellow wire can make people mistake and confuse. (There are too close).

user posted image
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Bro Ozak,

The AC Supply => adapter => wire to the switch => the chime

===========> adapter => wire to the chime (to close the circuit)..

" switch is between the adapter and the chime"

Wire the switch from the secondary coil of the transformer only.. The primary coil voltage will kill..

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Usually doorbell (in malaysia) already have the small transformer inside, which it will be connected to outside switch, once the door bell press, it will complete the loop. If not press it will not waste any energy.

Use different region device without knowing how the current one work, the wireman sure will not want to touch it. Any issues is the wireman issues.
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Me some kucing kurap understand basic only. blush.gif
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Bro Ozak,

The AC Supply => adapter => wire to the switch => the chime

===========> adapter => wire to the chime (to close the circuit)..

" switch is between the adapter and the chime"

Wire the switch from the secondary coil of the transformer only.. The primary coil voltage will kill..
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Sorry I don't understand your connection.

What I understand about TS is his August cam require power to run. The August cam is all in 1 doorbell. The August Cam is wifi to router and to TS phone.

So no chime or doorbell switch. Not require at all.

The connection will be

The AC Supply => adapter => wire to the outdoor => the August cam.

Hope not kill him. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 26 2017, 01:45 PM)
Sorry I don't understand your connection.

What I understand about TS is his August cam require power to run. The August cam is all in 1 doorbell. The August Cam is wifi to router and to TS phone.

So no chime or doorbell switch. Not require at all.

The connection will be

The AC Supply => adapter => wire to the outdoor => the August cam.

Hope not kill him.  tongue.gif
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OK - After a few weeks I finally got the thing done, pretty much DIY due to, again, lack of electrician wanting to pick up the job (Probably too small job and too far or something). One electrician quoted me, then after agreeing to a RM170 rate (his proposal), no-showed on the day itself.

Anyway, I ended up doing it DIY, although the current setup still needs to be improved. This is how it looks right now:
user posted image on the inside
user posted image on the outside

The current setup works. The wiring up of the socket inside and the wires is easy enough. Need to find a cover to cover it though. On the outside, it is a bit challenging because the existing doorbell's panel cannot be reused, and the power cable is inside it, so I had to buy a TV antenna panel, remove the socket so there's a small hole for me to pass through the power cable, and drill and lock the doorbell cam onto the TV antenna panel itself. The doorbell itself, as you can see from the photo, is smaller than a regular size panel, and the ledge behind it as well (used to angle the doorbell towards the door). The ledge's screws are not two on each side in the center like our panels, so I can't just screw it in directly, hence the need for the TV antenna panel so I can screw the ledge onto the panel board.

After the initial charging (takes awhile - I charged it for about an hour before it would work properly), connected it to WiFi, and it works great! Whenever the doorbell is pressed, I get a notification on my phone in around 5-6s, and can accept it to connect to the camera to see the video live. At any point I can also use the camera as a CCTV of sorts to see the video live through the app. There is a motion detection recording feature which is alright so far but seems not sensitive enough - sometimes it does not trigger. Videos viewed, auto motion detected and if doorbell is pressed are all recorded and can be downloaded, although it does not stream the video 24/7 to their server like Nest's Dropcam does. Of course it also makes the August Smart Lock WiFi enabled - I can now see the status of the lock, control it (lock/unlock), get notifications/updates on it being locked and unlocked even manually as long as my phone has internet. Amazingly, the feature which I thought would require it - adding a guest for a specific time period did not even require the doorbell installed - it can be done remotely with the August Smart Lock not needing internet or bluetooth connectivity at all - I was able to add guest passes any time without being at the unit even before installing the Doorbell Cam!

Overall, so far - so good. If there are any questions on the usage - do ask and I'll try and answer. I need to box up the internal side, and probably redo the doorbell side to make it look better, but for now it functions great.
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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Aug 24 2017, 11:16 PM)

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I would fire anyone with this kind of workmanship..
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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Aug 24 2017, 11:16 PM)
Overall, so far - so good. If there are any questions on the usage - do ask and I'll try and answer. I need to box up the internal side, and probably redo the doorbell side to make it look better, but for now it functions great.
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Congrats TS for getting this August doorbell working in the month of August.
Now you can focus on getting the setup looks neat and clean after functionality part of it settled.
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1. you should install the doorbell higher up to cover the the tv plate and leave the bottom showing. that way hopefully cant see it jutting out at the bottom. now on top, it is obvious.
also why not remove all plates, and just cover the hole with the doorbell? glue the edges if you cant screw it down or fill the hole with putty filler with just the wires snaking out, double side tape the doorbell on top of that.

2. are you sure you can assign guest keys without the lock needing any internet or bluetooth and you are not at that location? i dont think so....somehow you must have overlook something.

3. can take pictures how the lock is installed? thanks

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Congrats TS for getting this August doorbell working in the month of August.
Now you can focus on getting the setup looks neat and clean after functionality part of it settled.
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Yep, finally got it done! tongue.gif


QUOTE(idoblu @ Aug 25 2017, 08:58 AM)
1. you should install the doorbell higher up to cover the the tv plate and leave the bottom showing. that way hopefully cant see it jutting out at the bottom. now on top, it is obvious.
also why not remove all plates, and just cover the hole with the doorbell? glue the edges if you cant screw it down

2. are you sure you can assign guest keys without the lock needing any internet or bluetooth and you are not at that location? i dont think so....somehow you must have overlook something.

3. can take pictures how the lock is installed? thanks
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1. Actually it's pretty center of the plate. But perhaps the angle of that photo makes it look as if it's one sided, and the wedge which is installed to make the camera face towards the right. If I remove the plate entirely, the doorbell is too small for the box it's in, and can't mount it properly, as the mounting screws for the concealed box is horizontal in the center like this the wall conceal box in this photo:
user posted image
while the August's wedge mounting is:
user posted image
Not the red circled ones, but the two on the upper left and bottom right. Would be a bit weird and difficult to glue it fit.
Here's another angle of the doorbell cam installed:
user posted image
Anyway, yes, once I have more time I'll go out and find more options to figure this out to make it neater.

2. Yes, even before I had the doorbell cam installed, and when I'm in KL (My property is in Cyberjaya), I was able to assign guests on the go. That means I'm out of reach to the Bluetooth, and the smart lock was not yet connected to the internet. I was surprised as well, as the main purpose I wanted to install the doorbell cam was to be the internet gateway for the smart lock.

3. I will do that on my next visit to my property and post an update.

Cheers!

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So glad I found this thread. Am Scratching my head about how to install my ring Pro, looks like the solution is right here. I was having issue finding electrician who is willing to help me figure out how to do it too. Most just do not want the hassle to figure it out.
Just ordered the power supply from RS. Hope with the instructions above I can get a electrician to do it for me.

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I do hope current doorbell wiring is same as above. Having a hard time removing the enclosure...
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The instruction/manual is extremely bare and doesn't say anything except connect it. It's meant for the US market after all.
Already planning to pay to do hacking for this if required to. Been asking wireman around and no one would do it as they are unfamiliar.

Yes, kena import tax on the whole thing. I bought the set with the August Smart Lock, Doorbell Cam and Smart Keypad. Did not consider the Ring. Reason for it is for airbnb digital lock - so I can remotely deal with digital keys, unlock remotely and a physical keypad in case digital is not my guest's cup of tea.
I think that's right - the doorbell is just a switch. Again, my reason for using it is for Airbnb purposes - where it makes sense as my unit is in Cyberjaya and I'm located in KL. Remote unlock for guests, digital keys and keypad unlock all will make 24 hr check in useful.
Right now, I don't have an existing indoor chime unit. There are the wires:
user posted image
but I've not bought a unit yet.

Are you saying that I can buy a unit that has a transformer built in and then the switch would be 16-24V as it is a loop with the wire there? Any idea what kind of chime unit has that in Malaysia?

Thanks all for your input!
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hey let me know the outcome, i already ordered august emqrt door lock and.connect.for my airbnb unit in cyberjaya , I'm looking at this doorbell as well, have problem with ordering smart keypad though, amazon keeps cancelling my order
if this doorbell is working then i will order together with smart keypad, amazon has discount for both currently.

first i need to change door lock in my unit to deadbolt, already bought last night and i think it is doable tp DIY provided the smartlock indeed delivered to me this thursday as promised by amazon

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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Aug 25 2017, 09:35 AM)
Yep, finally got it done!  tongue.gif
1. Actually it's pretty center of the plate. But perhaps the angle of that photo makes it look as if it's one sided, and the wedge which is installed to make the camera face towards the right. If I remove the plate entirely, the doorbell is too small for the box it's in, and can't mount it properly, as the mounting screws for the concealed box is horizontal in the center like this the wall conceal box in this photo:
user posted image
while the August's wedge mounting is:
user posted image
Not the red circled ones, but the two on the upper left and bottom right. Would be a bit weird and difficult to glue it fit.
Here's another angle of the doorbell cam installed:
user posted image
Anyway, yes, once I have more time I'll go out and find more options to figure this out to make it neater.

2. Yes, even before I had the doorbell cam installed, and when I'm in KL (My property is in Cyberjaya), I was able to assign guests on the go. That means I'm out of reach to the Bluetooth, and the smart lock was not yet connected to the internet. I was surprised as well, as the main purpose I wanted to install the doorbell cam was to be the internet gateway for the smart lock.

3. I will do that on my next visit to my property and post an update.

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i think there was an update which make it work.
either way to unlock the user must have internet connection right? everything must go through august server so the lock itself doesn't need to know which pin code is valid, authentication was done via app to august server, if it's valid, the app just send the command to smart lock to lock/unlock via bluetooth

the gateway purpose is for lock/unlock remotely as well as requirement for integrating with google assistant, alexa etc
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QUOTE(faizalmzain @ Nov 14 2017, 02:49 PM)
i think there was an update which make it work.
either way to unlock the user must have internet connection right? everything must go through august server so the lock itself doesn't need to know which pin code is valid, authentication was done via app to august server, if it's valid, the app just send the command to smart lock to lock/unlock via bluetooth

the gateway purpose is for lock/unlock remotely as well as requirement for integrating with google assistant, alexa etc
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No, this is not what I mean
1. I did not have August Smart Doorbell installed at that point (Smart Doorbell = Gateway), connects Smart Lock to the Internet
2. I was not in Bluetooth range
3. I can add a guest as long as I have internet connectivity to the user list for the lock
4. The guest will need the internet connection to receive the virtual key. This can be done way before the check in time, for example, or anywhere with internet basically.
5. After receiving the virtual key, let's say the guest goes to the door, via Bluetooth can unlock the door directly through the virtual key. The guest does NOT need internet connectivity to unlock the door.
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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Nov 14 2017, 03:31 PM)
No, this is not what I mean
1. I did not have August Smart Doorbell installed at that point (Smart Doorbell = Gateway), connects Smart Lock to the Internet
2. I was not in Bluetooth range
3. I can add a guest as long as I have internet connectivity to the user list for the lock
4. The guest will need the internet connection to receive the virtual key. This can be done way before the check in time, for example, or anywhere with internet basically.
5. After receiving the virtual key, let's say the guest goes to the door, via Bluetooth can unlock the door directly through the virtual key. The guest does NOT need internet connectivity to unlock the door.
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are you sure does not need data to unlock the door? based on FAQ in their website, the phone must have data connection to unlock, of course unlocking part is done via bluetooth.
can you try off data then unlock?

i'm waiting for my august smart lock and connect to arrive on thursday, hopefully i manage to install the deadbolt on my own, other than that installing the smart lock itself should be easy. in the meantime i have to force my guests to use the app, worst case scenario if they are IT illiterate then i need to ask them to text me when they arrive and i will unlock the door for them and they can pick up the key inside the house.

amazon still cancelling my smart keypad order. i'm afraid the price will go back to RRP soon then i will not consider buying it.
right now doorbell pro is only USD139.99, USD60 discount. smart keypad USD60, i think RRP USD79 right?
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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Aug 24 2017, 11:16 PM)
OK - After a few weeks I finally got the thing done, pretty much DIY due to, again, lack of electrician wanting to pick up the job (Probably too small job and too far or something). One electrician quoted me, then after agreeing to a RM170 rate (his proposal), no-showed on the day itself.

Anyway, I ended up doing it DIY, although the current setup still needs to be improved. This is how it looks right now:
user posted image on the inside
user posted image on the outside

The current setup works. The wiring up of the socket inside and the wires is easy enough. Need to find a cover to cover it though. On the outside, it is a bit challenging because the existing doorbell's panel cannot be reused, and the power cable is inside it, so I had to buy a TV antenna panel, remove the socket so there's a small hole for me to pass through the power cable, and drill and lock the doorbell cam onto the TV antenna panel itself. The doorbell itself, as you can see from the photo, is smaller than a regular size panel, and the ledge behind it as well (used to angle the doorbell towards the door). The ledge's screws are not two on each side in the center like our panels, so I can't just screw it in directly, hence the need for the TV antenna panel so I can screw the ledge onto the panel board.

After the initial charging (takes awhile - I charged it for about an hour before it would work properly), connected it to WiFi, and it works great! Whenever the doorbell is pressed, I get a notification on my phone in around 5-6s, and can accept it to connect to the camera to see the video live. At any point I can also use the camera as a CCTV of sorts to see the video live through the app. There is a motion detection recording feature which is alright so far but seems not sensitive enough - sometimes it does not trigger. Videos viewed, auto motion detected and if doorbell is pressed are all recorded and can be downloaded, although it does not stream the video 24/7 to their server like Nest's Dropcam does. Of course it also makes the August Smart Lock WiFi enabled - I can now see the status of the lock, control it (lock/unlock), get notifications/updates on it being locked and unlocked even manually as long as my phone has internet. Amazingly, the feature which I thought would require it - adding a guest for a specific time period did not even require the doorbell installed - it can be done remotely with the August Smart Lock not needing internet or bluetooth connectivity at all - I was able to add guest passes any time without being at the unit even before installing the Doorbell Cam!

Overall, so far - so good. If there are any questions on the usage - do ask and I'll try and answer. I need to box up the internal side, and probably redo the doorbell side to make it look better, but for now it functions great.
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Hi Hikaru,
I am planning to buy the August Lock and Wifi bridge and maybe the door bell. Did u bought it through Amazon? How much was your tax duty?
Btw, is the door bell outdoor unit water proof? I plan to install in a landed house.
Pls advise.

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QUOTE(Afterburner1.0 @ Feb 9 2018, 09:40 AM)
Hi Hikaru,
I am planning to buy the August Lock and Wifi bridge and maybe the door bell. Did u bought it through Amazon? How much was your tax duty?
Btw, is the door bell outdoor unit water proof? I plan to install in a landed house.
Pls advise.
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I don't buy it through Amazon directly. Every month or so I've a shipment of items from the States, and it came in together. Don't think there was duty on it, maybe just GST 6%.

I highly doubt the outdoor unit is water proof. I would not recommend the door bell especially if you plan to put it outside - the reason being the connectivity to the WiFi and Bluetooth is extremely bad. Even when my smart lock is less than 1m away (seperated by the wall only) it constantly drops connectivity both to WiFi and bluetooth to the door bell. Also, seeing how it's mounted, I highly doubt it's waterproof (You install the bottom plate then after that snap on the top on it, and screw it locked under)
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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Feb 9 2018, 09:58 AM)
I don't buy it through Amazon directly. Every month or so I've a shipment of items from the States, and it came in together. Don't think there was duty on it, maybe just GST 6%.

I highly doubt the outdoor unit is water proof. I would not recommend the door bell especially if you plan to put it outside - the reason being the connectivity to the WiFi and Bluetooth is extremely bad. Even when my smart lock is less than 1m away (seperated by the wall only) it constantly drops connectivity both to WiFi and bluetooth to the door bell. Also, seeing how it's mounted, I highly doubt it's waterproof (You install the bottom plate then after that snap on the top on it, and screw it locked under)
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oh ok.... i may need to have a casing then for the outdoor doorbell. So how the August door lock and the wifi bridge? can they sync instantly? whats your take on it so far?
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Hi Hikaru, your post is my saviour! Could you share with me which transformer you have purchased? I going to install exactly the same thing. And i have few questions below if you don't mind I ask. The thread is a bit long to read.

1. where should I install the transformer? between doorbell and power supply?
2. Is the transformer lasting? I heard some ppl comment that low quality transformer will kill the doorbell.

Thanks
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QUOTE(Richard @ Jul 26 2017, 12:38 PM)
Bro Ozak,

The AC Supply => adapter => wire to the switch => the chime

===========> adapter => wire to the chime (to close the circuit)..

" switch is between the adapter and the chime"

Wire the switch from the secondary coil of the transformer only.. The primary coil voltage will kill..
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I have chime inside and an existing doorbell outside. I have bought the same set from August, the final thing I wanted to integrate is the Doorbell Cam Pro.

If I understand it correctly,

The sequence in my case should be

AC supply --> existing chime --> transformer/adapter (step down to 24VAC) --> exit chime box --> August Doorbell Cam Pro --> enter chime box --> transformer/adapter (possible to step up again?) --> chime

And I need to change the chime to have the ding dong sounds if step up is not possible. if I need to change the chime, I need something that works with 16-24VAC just like the doorbell.

So, if I need a chime of 24VAC, the setup sequence is

AC supply -> transformer -> new chime -> doorbell -> new chime.

Im have a technician who is helping me on this. It has been ding dong for some days, I need a get a better understanding.

Many thanks


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QUOTE(Afterburner1.0 @ Feb 9 2018, 10:28 AM)
oh ok.... i may need to have a casing then for the outdoor doorbell. So how the August door lock and the wifi bridge? can they sync instantly?  whats your take on it so far?
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I can answer you on this. I have been using it for 2 months now, the smart lock and connector. It works good. The connector has to be real close to the smart lock. My setup is about 1 meter.
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QUOTE(maxChin @ May 12 2019, 11:49 AM)
I have chime inside and an existing doorbell outside. I have bought the same set from August, the final thing I wanted to integrate is the Doorbell Cam Pro.

If I understand it correctly,

The sequence in my case should be
 
AC supply --> existing chime --> transformer/adapter (step down to 24VAC)  --> exit chime box --> August Doorbell Cam Pro --> enter chime box --> transformer/adapter (possible to step up again?) --> chime

And I need to change the chime to have the ding dong sounds if step up is not possible. if I need to change the chime, I need something that works with 16-24VAC just like the doorbell.

So, if I need a chime of 24VAC, the setup sequence is

AC supply -> transformer -> new chime -> doorbell -> new chime.

Im have a technician who is helping me on this. It has been ding dong for some days, I need a get a better understanding.

Many thanks
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Hi, can share your setup and Solution?
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I have installed august doorbell cam pro on landed house (outside). It is extremely hot maybe like 60-70 celcius on cloudy day. Is this normal?
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QUOTE(alextan333 @ Feb 18 2021, 07:16 PM)
I have installed august doorbell cam pro on landed house (outside). It is extremely hot maybe like 60-70 celcius on cloudy day. Is this normal?
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How you know it is 60-70ºC ?

And not 30-34ºC.
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Was wondering if there's any electrician nearby Cheras that could help me check if my existing door bell chime is compatible with a blink doorbell. The specs for this doorbell is 16 - 24 Volts AC, at 50 - 60 Hz.

 

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