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 16-24v doorbell wiring, Looking for an idea on how to wire

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ozak
post Jul 21 2017, 08:35 AM

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Assuming you are replacing the current doorbell. So it already have the wire from the indoor chime.

So outdoor replace the switch connect with the wire is no problem.

For the indoor, you have to open up the chime and see the connection. According to this August doorbell, normally have a supply 16-24v from the chime. But cannot trust totally.

So you got to inspect the chime side is either direct 240v using or have a transformer step down.

With both way, either you have to use a transformer or tap the chime transformer power. You can use that chime box to cover up everything.

Not difficult if you replacing the current doorbell.
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post Jul 21 2017, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 21 2017, 08:49 AM)
the august thing is just the outside switch - inside got no chime wan  laugh.gif
the existing wall push switch there i think may not have neutral wire....
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Just like the alexander3133 diagram.

I mean the chime is the existing chime. Make use that chime internal transformer and the cover for the august thing.

You have to rewiring the chime side so the outdoor 2 wire become live and neutral. By just connect to the chime transformer.

Very much depend on the existing chime.
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post Jul 21 2017, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Jul 21 2017, 11:16 AM)
The instruction/manual is extremely bare and doesn't say anything except connect it. It's meant for the US market after all.
Already planning to pay to do hacking for this if required to. Been asking wireman around and no one would do it as they are unfamiliar.

Yes, kena import tax on the whole thing. I bought the set with the August Smart Lock, Doorbell Cam and Smart Keypad. Did not consider the Ring. Reason for it is for airbnb digital lock - so I can remotely deal with digital keys, unlock remotely and a physical keypad in case digital is not my guest's cup of tea.
I think that's right - the doorbell is just a switch. Again, my reason for using it is for Airbnb purposes - where it makes sense as my unit is in Cyberjaya and I'm located in KL. Remote unlock for guests, digital keys and keypad unlock all will make 24 hr check in useful.
Right now, I don't have an existing indoor chime unit. There are the wires:
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but I've not bought a unit yet.

Are you saying that I can buy a unit that has a transformer built in and then the switch would be 16-24V as it is a loop with the wire there? Any idea what kind of chime unit has that in Malaysia?

Thanks all for your input!
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With that wire in the picture , it is pretty easy to install the cam now.

Get the transformer in lelong as idoblu mention (quite expensive) and a plastic electrical box that big enough for the transformer.

From the picture got 5 wire. The top 2 yellow wire is go to the outdoor switch 24v. The 3 wire below is live, neutral and earth 240v.

For the rest of join wire and case up the transformer, get a electrician if you not experience.
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post Jul 22 2017, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Jul 21 2017, 09:50 PM)
Oh - that simplifies the explanation a lot.
Does that mean by putting the transformer there, I do not need to buy the door chime anymore? (And thus no ding dong when the door bell is pressed)
As for the lelong transformer, would this one from Amazon UK work as well? It looks much more... professional and reliable.
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Since you don't have the chime, than you don't need to get 1. People recommended the chime is
1) if you already have the chime and modify to use for the August cam.
2) internal chime have the transformer. So you can make use that transformer. The others parts is useless after modify.
3) the chime box are look nicer to be hang on the wall. Than a plain plastic box.
4) buying the chime is cheaper probably than a transformer and a box.

Once you modify the chime for the August cam, the chime no longer will sound. Got to understand this. Cause you already bypass the solenoid in it.

The Amazon transformer also can be use. But you got to check the August cam power usage. The August cam pic doesn't show the power usage. The Amazon transformer only supply about 8w or 0.33A. Compare to the lelong which supply about 80w.

If the August cam use below 8w, you can go ahead get the Amazon transformer.
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post Jul 26 2017, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Jul 25 2017, 09:45 PM)
Regarding the chime - most chimes that are sold here in Malaysia are 240v primary but their transformers seem to be 12v secondary. Hence the transformers don't seem like they would work with the doorbell. No luck on finding a 16-24v secondary chime yet. Thus, like you said if I buy the chime, probably for the box, and then discard the transformer (since I need to replace it with mine) and the chime itself wouldn't work since the voltage is different, right?

Also, after some research:
The spec sheet given here that I could find (http://august.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/August-DoorbellCamSpecSheet.pdf) shows Power Requirement 16-24VAC ~ 50-60Hz 0.2A, thus technically the Amazon transformer would be enough.

Right now though, trying to find something accessible locally, I have so far found a bunch of transformers that I think would fit the bill including this:
http://my.rs-online.com/web/p/din-rail-pan...ormers/7762966/ - 25VA
or
http://my.rs-online.com/web/p/din-rail-pan...ormers/8802618/ - 63VA
or
http://my.rs-online.com/web/p/din-rail-pan...ormers/8802609/ - 40VA

Out of the 3, I believe any of them would probably work fine based on the spec requirements. Schneider is the only brand I recognize between the 3 of them, but the price is also significantly higher, and for some reason the 63VA one is cheaper than 40VA one. My current plan is to order one of the 63VA one and use that. I will try and ask a wireman to install for me, or do you think I can probably connect it myself? I assume 'DIN rail mounting' means there is some way for it to be mounted onto the circuit breaker area.
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If you can't find the chime with the suitable voltage, than forget it. Unless you want the chime box to make it nice.

The chime wouldn't work together with the August cam is because you modify it. Not the voltage different. The purpose is to use the Chime transformer. But once you modify to use the transformer, the chime solenoid that strike the bell will be disconnect. And the 2 wire suppose to connect to switch outdoor become a 24v supply wire for the August cam.

The 3 transformer you suggest is working find for the August cam. It well over 0.2A.

But the transformer size is freaking big and heavy. Are you sure you want it to hang at the wall? Even the 25VA size is consider big. No chime box can cover all this 3 transformer. Better check the size.

DIN rail is a long bracket for mounting the electrical component. You need to drill 2 hole to screw the rail to the wall and hook the transformer on the rail. It come in 1meter and material is either metal or aluminium. Price vary from RM5 to RM20. Which RM5 is freaking thin and soft metal. You wouldn't want it to mount the heavy transformer on it. Cut the rail to your desire length.

I think DecaPix suggest the adaptor is much more suitable. Cheaper.

I m not sure your skill. (you didn't mention here) Better just get the electrician. Even it is easy wiring.

Till this stage, any electrician can do the wiring.

Specially for DecaPix suggest transformer. Get a wall socket install, cut the adaptor wire and joint to the outdoor 2 wire. Than plug the adaptor to the wall socket. Parts less than RM90.

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post Jul 26 2017, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Hikaru @ Jul 26 2017, 11:09 AM)
Thanks for the info. Considering this but trying to figure out how to wire it as it's outdoors, with no sockets around.
I have 0 skills in electrical wiring. Trying to figure this out as I have tried reaching out to renovation contractors / electricians and all of them shrugged and said they don't do. If I could buy this transformer recommended by DecaPix and then pay an electrician to have it setup without the headache for me I would do it in a heartbeat.

The question to me is, since it's outdoors (the doorcam bell), like literally outside the door, that would mean I would need to get a contractor to hack the wall to put in this cable and somehow go through the wall towards a socket near the door?

Or do you mean I can literally splice open this transformer's end wire and use it to feed the 2 yellow wire of this part:
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and somehow figure out how to use the other 3 wires to power up the UK plug adapter side as well?
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If no skill, than don't touch at all. Keep on looking for the electrician that can do it for you. I don't understand what so difficult with such easy wiring. Probably you didn't explain much to them or your explanation to them too complicated ?

Your outdoor should have the doorbell wiring already. Given the picture you post. There is no hacking or wiring to do at all. Please check your outdoor where the wiring goes. Either the developer leave the wire like that (picture) for outdoor or already have a wall mount doorbell socket switch. Take out that doorbell switch and replace with the cam.

Even I show you the wiring below picture, you still have to use multitester to check and confirm the wiring which is which. Cause that yellow wire can make people mistake and confuse. (There are too close).

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post Jul 26 2017, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 26 2017, 12:20 PM)
This is why my sifu is a genius  notworthy.gif
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Me not sifu la. dry.gif

Me some kucing kurap understand basic only. blush.gif
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post Jul 26 2017, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Richard @ Jul 26 2017, 12:38 PM)
Bro Ozak,

The AC Supply => adapter => wire to the switch => the chime

===========> adapter => wire to the chime (to close the circuit)..

" switch is between the adapter and the chime"

Wire the switch from the secondary coil of the transformer only.. The primary coil voltage will kill..
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Sorry I don't understand your connection.

What I understand about TS is his August cam require power to run. The August cam is all in 1 doorbell. The August Cam is wifi to router and to TS phone.

So no chime or doorbell switch. Not require at all.

The connection will be

The AC Supply => adapter => wire to the outdoor => the August cam.

Hope not kill him. tongue.gif
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post Feb 18 2021, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(alextan333 @ Feb 18 2021, 07:16 PM)
I have installed august doorbell cam pro on landed house (outside). It is extremely hot maybe like 60-70 celcius on cloudy day. Is this normal?
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How you know it is 60-70ºC ?

And not 30-34ºC.

 

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