Hi,

I started this thread because;

(1) This is a mid-range camera with attractively priced (recently drop RM1k pula). The price is really good.

(2) To share personal experinces, concerns, good or bad about it. What it can do and what it cannot.

And please share anything that is related, such as performance findings with particular lenses like EFS17-55 f2.8 IS USM or EFS17-85 IS USM. I believe I have lots to share here.

Let's make it a good and informative thread.

* However, I hope the posters in this thread could be honest in thier writting. And if possible, it is your own experinces & findings. If it is not, please quote the source as not to confuss the readers. It is ok to post something like "I read from DPreview.com that this lense no good..." rather than "The lense is no good".

This post has been edited by TheVoIP: Apr 6 2007, 11:52 AM

If you dun mind, here I explain a bit of my background.

I started with Nikon FM10 and FM2 more than 10 years ago. The camera meterings sucked and I can use my subjective eyes + logical guesses far more accurate than the camera. And I hate the non-clear screen (circle with half blur) that disturn focusing on shallow DoF. Beside that, they are both very good + robust cameras in thier time.

Then I join the white side with Canon about 10 years ago because my friend was press in Penang and they use Canon. So I bought an EOS A2. It was indeed a much more comfortable camera to use compare to the fully manual Nikon. There are 2 functions that I never used; (1) 5fps because film very costly, (2) DOF mode

My first dSLR is EOS 10D. This should be an excellent camera in its time. There is not much I can really complaits on its performance except the followings;

+ JPEG / RAW buffer only up to 9 frames. And when half press, the camera will not continue flush the buffer to the card. I was not aware of these and its been a true trouble. IMO, it is a big bug that Canon never solve. The writting speed to CF is also noticable slow.
+ Acceptable ISO is only up to 400. It was 'ok' because I have f2 lense that time.
+ Cannot use EFS lenses. I love to have both the EFS10-22 USM + EFS17-55 f2.8 IS USM.
+ Only offer 3 fps.

Thus I have no choice but to upgrade the 10D into 30D. The 30D is ineed a much improved camera compare to 10D. All my complaits are gone with this simple upgrade.

Here is the list of improvements I noticed from my 30D;

+ Improved autofocus. Much more reliable than my 10D, especially in AI Servo tracking as well as darker room
+ If shoot continuous with JPEG, practically there is no longer any limits in buffer stuff. Just make sure you have enought CFs
+ 5fps is a vast improvement compare to 10D's 3fps
+ Finally can use both my dream EFS10-22 USM + EFS17-55 f2.8 IS USM. Main reason for this 30D upgrade
+ Acceptable ISO upgraded to ISO800!
+ Confirm support CF card up to 8GB because I am now using it.
+ Upgraded LCD size! Easier to share pictures while shooting with kakis ma...

Thus I love and highly recommend this camera. So far the only camera limitation that I had faced is the limitted buffer to store both RAW + Large JPEG (9 frames only).

This post has been edited by TheVoIP: Apr 3 2007, 04:04 PM

Besides that, 30D can go up to iso3200 thru custom function.

My camera not listed here, so I will quietly walk away ...

Personally I had never use those custom function to extend the ISO. Have you?

So far I had never see the needs, unless I can get acceptable image quality la...

What camera are you using? 1D is different class la...

I only group those similar one together ma.... I think I should narrow down to only 20D and 30D?

I know, I am just joking. Dun worry, I will come in here and poison kepoh from time to time

i sense the dark side in his words

Ok... Stick back to the topic la...

I think both 20D and 30D has an advantage over 1D/1Ds/5D class camera. What's that? Well, I call it EFS17-55 f2.8 IS USM. It has a constant f2.8 aperture with very high optical performance along with image stablization technology. I would easily rank it as the best general event walk-around lense.

While on 1D/1Ds/5D pula, if using EF24-70 f2.8 L, they do not have IS. And if they want IS, they have to stick with EF24-105 f4, which is only f4. And there are times you really require more the f4, either for more accurate autofocusing, better flash gun response, higher shutter speed etc.

On the other hand, Nikon 17-55 f2.8 is really great optics! And it is almost just like EF24-70 f2.8 on Canon 1D/1Ds/5D. And it share the same problem, no IS lo....

So... For those who can afford EOS 30D, I highly recommend this EFS17-55 f2.8 IS USM! It is really great stuff! The only complait I can find is its size and weight. But again, it happen to all good lenses.

When you have a camera like the 1D weighing well over 1kg, you won't need IS assistance for up to about 1/40 and that is about 1/20 with IS assistance! Any moving object would look fuzzy already at that shutter speed even with IS assistance!

hi Voip,

I am in a dilemma as to whether to get this EOS 30D or to wait for a replacement model. I feel I have outgrown my S3 IS and have told myself I would get the 30D by mid this year, but with the emergence of the EOS 1D Mk III with dual chips, I am wondering if CANON Would release a similar mid range 30D Replacement? Dual chips seems to be the NEW ERA in DSLR Evolution just like the Core-Duo in Computering.....

Advice pls.....

This post has been edited by julchin_09: Apr 7 2007, 09:51 PM

I move to Canon last December after a year with KM7D with 8 lenses...

After weighing my option with Sony laziness... I jump to Canon with 30D, 17-55/2.8 IS, 70-200/2.8 IS, 580EX in one day.... Sold off all my minolta and sony items.... what a great move...

My only gripe with 30D is, there is a 1D series always in my mind.... I want to have 1D AF speed and accuracy.....

imo, 30D replacement would not be coming out this year. It's stated by one of the Canon rep during the PMA07. besides, from what i've seen, each model will have a lifespan of at least a year and a half b4 it's being replaced.

get a 30D now. your S3 investment is too high already for now

get now
step up later

30d should be nice ar....but seems that just need to let go of my hope of getting one

1 & half year for a replacement?
good enough.....i wait........
but dunno will have enough to buy or not...

but then 400 d seems to be better in some part of 30d
30 d wins on the iso3200 and fps 5. rest is in par with 400d...

Without IS, you cannot do 1/8 when you have the needs... I tried 1/8 with the IS and it does work!

Ok la... dun say 1/8 la... I have the need to go down to 1/15 in order to gather more avaiable lights for the indoor pictures to looks brighter and IS really help. In fact, I dunno how to produce similar effects without IS....

As to clear hesitation, there is only one way. Try the damn camera yourself! Shoot by your hands (not reading review), bring back the pictures and view at 100%.

I was just informed by Canon Management that there will be a launch for 1D mark III soon in MidValley. I will keep you guys updated and you can try 30D over there. Remember to bring memory cards.

The results will speak for itselfs... And after seeing the pictures, you will know what to do...

You sound so familiar to a friend of mine. Are you actually Simon?

If you do not need the tripod collar on the 70-200, you can remove it le... It save some weight. I always want to do that... but fail to remove it. So now dun care la..

And I have the same mentality like you... The 1D. And IMO, both 30D + 1D can co-exist. I am thinking of 30D with EFS17-55 f2.8 IS and 1D on 70-200 f2.8 so we need no to change lenses during shooting.

I 'think' we need the higher writting speed and larger internal memory buffer of 1D while shooting with tele... because we usually frap frap frap with that. And with standard zoom (non-tele), usually only single frap.

Agreed! Those D30, D60, 10D, 20D & 30D all has minimum market lifespan of 18 months.

And in fact, I am not sure on what else to upgrade on the 30D successor... 10 megapixels? Asking anyway more will direct conflict with other camera;

+ more fps -> 1D
+ too many pixels -> 1Ds
+ more internal buffer for more shots -> 1D
+ if cheaper -> 400D

Agreed! Buy! Buy! Buy!

I would really suggest the 30D rather than 400D. It just feel better on hand + the 30D viewfinder more confortable.... And you need both these factor when you are on assignment for long hours...

This post has been edited by TheVoIP: Apr 9 2007, 11:15 AM

i have nothing to complain about my 30D coz i was upgraded from a 300D, if i were to compare the both...it's really unfair for my 300D, what i really liked bout my 30D is the color, photoshop hardly comes in handy after i've changed to this babe~and i really liked the solid feeling of the camera...it doesn't feel plasticy like the 300D...matching it up with my 17-40 is really good enough and i doubt that i will have the budget to get myself the 17-55 f2.8, the efs is bugging me too coz it would be a waste if i were to upgrade to 5D....

but i'm definitely eyeing on 70-200 f2.8 now...

How much you got your 30D?

got mine from desmond...4k during january...if i'm not mistaken, there's someone called kevinhan sellinga 2nd hand one on free trade zone now...it's only 3.3k...

hmmm...30D would be my target when i do my DSLR upgrade...but hor..now still no budget~ saving saving saving~

This post has been edited by aero99: Apr 16 2007, 09:52 AM

I bought mine from Bo*** (headquarter) in Sg.Wang before this CNY, coz me RM 4350 for Body+Kit lens + 1gigCF + Screen protector + no add charge for credit card.

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Added on April 16, 2007, 11:15 amAs for the IS thingy, I seldom consider about it coz when I shot in low light, I make use of the continuos frame shot 3fps/ 5fps, then choose the sharpest I can get, if i want to do large print, then i will bring along my tripod, coz the 3fps can pick up quite good even on 1/20 sec.

Just to share, hehehe

This post has been edited by ckeng2002: Apr 16 2007, 11:15 AM

Voip,

Thanks for the advise. Would be waiting to hear about the EOS 1D Mk III Launch date. Wanna see how fast the camera shoots in real time.....

Yeah. Lot spent on S3 IS. Can't throw this baby away. Still takes nice pics and super-zoom and STEREO vid recording all in one package is mighty handy... Will be the sidekick to my new DSLR....

It is a sad question to me. I bought RM5k (with kit lense) at Boeing last year, May. Soon later discount, discount and discount....

but you have shot, shot, and more shots during those discount period.. haha so many "moments" captured ady, so it's worth it

Voip,

From the time you got it for RM5k, then the Discounts X3. The price + Kit lens now is RM4K?

I got it for RM4.3k. There's some people who have seen it offered at a lower price lately. YMMV.

YMMV? Hmm..... RM4.3K with Kitlens? Did they give any other extras with it?

Yeah... You are right.

I am actually not regreting because I make good use of it...

Err... Dunno the latest price as I am not from shop la...

i think without kitlens..the cheapest u can get is 3.9k?i just love this camera...i'm getting myself a telephoo lens to match up with it...any advices?

No. I wouldn't want any extras with it because the'd be charging me _EXTRA_ most of the time. Plus, those extras are 99% not worth the money you're paying for.

4.3k for kit, yes. 4k for body only. This is what I was offered a month ago.

What is your budget and the function u looking for?

mu bduget is probably around 4k, guess that leaves me to only the 2nd hand 70-200 f2.8L right?don't know wether should i consider the sigma 70-200 f2.8 which is almost half price of the canon's one...

get F4L IS then, precisely 4k. 2.8L is around more than 4k <5k

There's a country that has 24-135mm IS as their kit lens for 30D... i'm still trying to find out where.

it is not like u r going to get from "that country" rite

4k is the lates price for the 30d??
but still no cash to get one....

Just would like some feedback from you 30D users. Anyone using this camera for astrophotography, ie. used together with a telescope in prime focus configuration? How would this camera compare to the Nikon D200? Not asking for a Nikon versus Canon war, but just some honest personal opinions.

Actually no different between this 2 brands, coz the method u are using will be with wide aperture and leave the bulb on all the time. I would suggest the set up similar like this 30D + 1.4/2.0x + 70-200F4L, and u can shot the moon surface without any problem.

I want to add some more comments on this camera.

I found the battery indicator finally reliable compare to my ex-10D. Last time my 10D when show battery half is actually maybe 5% left. Now show half but still remain after shooting about 1500 shots.

And also... I started to love my 30D because for the EF17-55 f2.8 IS USM... Together, they are really great company. Not even 1D/5D class camera can make use of this magical lense. And currently 30D is the best camera for this lense

This post has been edited by TheVoIP: May 16 2007, 11:01 AM

I just get email from Mr.Liew - ylcamera@yahoo.com. U can get it 30D body + EF 17-85 IS USM for $5300 and a few items more. His shop in Pudu if I'm not mistaken.

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Added on May 18, 2007, 10:33 pmI'm still looking for d best price. It is my dream to grab a 30D. Mr.Liew offer me quite good offer. But donno if its grey/china/japan made. Sori to ask is Canon manufactured in china? or just japan. Better be careful...

This post has been edited by matcom: May 19 2007, 11:36 AM

Bro. Sure or not? If that price I will head to KL and buy straight away....

I called ylCamera few times the last few days already. One regarding the 2nd hand 6mnth old EOS 30D he's selling together with battery grip for RM3800. His name was Desmond. But buying 2nd hand good require inspection and in my hesitation, it was sold hours later that same day it was advertised.....(Lucky KL'ites)

Regarding prices for NEW Set. He quoted me RM4K(Cash) for the Body only and somewhere around the lines of RM4299 With kit. I'd rather get the offer you stated... If you certain about this because maybe you're a regular there, then lucky you..... But confirm it and I will try to haggle with him when I go there.....

thanks very much for the info.....

I can't confirm though. Cause 30d + 17-85 IS USM (kitlens) RM5300 is in his advert ???


UGPM...

This post has been edited by matcom: May 19 2007, 04:18 AM

Where is his advert?

thanks....

can i talk bout 350d here??

Yes and No la...

Yes, if you want to compare it to 30D. Else suggest you to start another thread lo...

Since you want to talk about 350D, let's me start the differences compare to 30D;

(1) viewfinder no good
(2) autofocus also not good enought. Althought better than 300D la.

But if talk about pure image quality, I think they are the same...

17-85 IS = Kit Lens? Many amateur upgrading

well, anyway. i dun see the need for IS in these wide.

I think there is no 18-55 IS USM..

Ooo.... DIdn;t know that. Couldn't find it in the list I have. Nearest is EF-S 17-55 IS USM.....

Been using the 30D for about 7 months now, being my first DSLR, i didn't like the feel of the 350/400D in my hands, and the 30D just felt better.

I remember opting out of the kit lens and head straight with the 50mm F.18, coming from a prosumer (then Canon S2 IS) it sure is good. Shooting at F1.8 - F2 for general shootings, and wow @ ISO 1600 , its really nice and acceptably friendly to my eyes. Too bad the build in flash was a little lack of umph... So tough luck for me to shoot during annual dinners. But that was just a matter of time before i got the 17-40 and 580ex, there with ISO 800-1000 , I get to maintain a adequate amount of desired light with the flash just used as a fill.

The LCD was such a beauty to use but that was before i started to shoot outside under the hot sun.... Some learning curve was incurred to learn how to read the Histogram instead. Got that done , and what I wanted to do next is to try out the continuous burst that the camera can do. Armed with a 135F2 , I sure can get some reach on the basketball court, with the only problem, AF not really that accurate in Ai Servo and AF point set to center.

Hit and misses, being the first , I can't really make much comparison, maybe it may not be the most versatile in terms of mobilty, but hei..... the pictures speak for themselves at the end of the day.

With the new technology, its always nice and cool to know something new and better is improved , being the latest in trend , Anti-Dust Technology and IS built into the camera. Dust - well, if you take some effort to wipe, or shoot at F4 and below, not really and issue , and build in IS , well although the cost of the lens can be reduced, IMHO IS really needs to be at the lens end rather than the body end. Less of those in the camera , and more other improvement and attractive items , is what I call a replacement worth getting unless we are forced to upgrade to to model phase out

how much is eos 30d?

I see most places selling for RM3999 for BODY ONLY. But Can discount I think. Get together with an L lense and probably even better savings.....

OK. Checked out the package. Its a CANON EOS 30D Body(GREY UNIT) paired with the EF-S17-85mm f4-5.6 IS USM lens.

Its a no no for me

bought already with 30D + 17-85 w hoya pro1 + lowepro + manfrotto monopod = RM 5850

but sad to say no more bucks to spend on flash

any suggestion ? canon / metz / nissin or any brand

This post has been edited by matcom: Jun 7 2007, 02:12 AM

Oh cool. I guess we both new owners of the 30D. I got mine last Thursday. Paired with a 70-200 F4 L IS and a 50 F1.8, I too have no cash to spend on flash.... You have a Manfrotto Monopod somemore with that package? What else? What Lowerpro did he give you? From YL? Sounds like a great Price. But I am not well versed with the prices should I breakdown each item seperately...

You going for Japan GT with that Monopod?

This post has been edited by julchin_09: Jun 7 2007, 02:21 AM

Congrat Julchin...
Yours more power than mine. Actually one shop in Kelantan got the item from YL. YL has a good network. Beside that I bought a used 75-300 lens. Just to learn more. Well your lens is the great. With IS L series nothing cant be captured. I loved to have one. How much you get it? Where?
May I know are a you a fulltime? I need to learn more on photography. I used to slr film long ago. Then I bought fuji 5500 semi slr digital. Then I think its time for dslr. Looks for review here and there. I ended with 30D though nikon is my favour. I hope its a right choice.
Be friend

This post has been edited by matcom: Jun 7 2007, 02:45 PM

Better get 5D with 28-105mm IS F4L
lol

dude, is 24-105mm IS F4L...

POiSON !!!!

you DO know the price for a 5D with its bundled kit lens rite? Calculate la 70-200 F4l IS +50mm witrh 30D and compare the price.

Well this is the best I can get. Maybe one day I'll get the full frame dslr. For a time being I would like to upgrade my knowledge first. Hope all of you out there can give some tips and tricks.
Cherio...

Oh. So you got your package from Kelantan? I had to make a trip to KL to get the camera as the prices here in Johor not as cheap. Plus they say have to call Canon and ask and wait etc..... I got the body at Low Yatt and the Lens at KLCC Canon. Supposed to get at YLCamera but they sold out their Canon Msia unit leaving only GREY Units.....

No I am not a fulltime photographer, just an enthusiat. I got the L lense due to the many suggestions from my seniors and that I would be selling the kit lens in no time coupled with the fact it has received many good reviews from users over its F2.8 counterpart..

How much is the 5D with the 24-105 F4 L IS? RM12k? Thats like adding another EOS 30D Body to what I paid for mine.... Nairud, whats the breakdown in that particular package? Curious to know......

well, the price me and shinchan saw at the price tag is 11999/12999. Give and take off some discount, i'd say it is still above 11k

5D kit lens IS the 24-105 F4L IS

Wow...cool....Kit lens already so powerfull. 1D Mkiii ler? Kit = 50mm f1.2L?

This post has been edited by julchin_09: Jun 7 2007, 03:18 PM

Waa
All aaa talking about 5D.
Poison lor...

Yeah..lots of poison.

But the 24-105 seems to have a problem with some of the batches.
Announcement by Canon: http://www.canon-asia.com/index.jsp?fuseac...e=lenses_notice

Abnormal images on EF24-105mm f/4L IS USM lenses

We discovered that ghost-like images could appear in some mass manufactured EF24-105mm f/4L IS USM lenses and we would like to offer free repair services for affected products.

The ghost-like images may appear under certain conditions such as backlit or night scene shots where a strong light source shines into the edge of the viewfinder. In these cases, customers can avoid the phenomenon by slightly changing the camera's direction or focal length (angle of view) while checking for ghost-like images through the viewfinder. This phenomenon will not occur under normal shooting conditions.

We will provide support for any enquiry about this phenomenon and free repair services at Canon Service Centers.

How to identify a possible affected model:

If you encounter this problem, please check the control number of your equipment. The control number can be found on the back cover of the lens as "UTxxxx" (see the number magnified in the red ellipse below). If the control number contains the letters "UT" followed by a number that is less than 1,000, your product may be affected.

Put some of your pics here. I would love to see some of 30D made.

30D pics

Attached thumbnail(s)

you edited that pic and replaced 30D with 350D

Hehe.... Foul Play....

Nairud, you always at Dog/Pet events?

Been attending all dog events held at Central Park.

what what? what foul play?

Well , if you're all 70-80% portrait and landscape, the 5d is realy poison, but if you really shot everything , including sports, the 30D is really just at the right place.

the 5d wont give you the .6 extra magnification due to the crop sensor of the 30D , which the 1ds... well.. they are just in another league.

Camera wise... not so much poison... lens wise.... Wicked poison... almost corrosive

let me share a shot too



This post has been edited by neoro_blitz: Jun 7 2007, 05:35 PM

so bokeh

Wow...

Looks like the 30D thread is alive again. More photos more!

Waa
Are these 30D made. Mua... You are pro man...


Just for sharing. Do advise...

(C)

Canon EOS 30D + EFS 17-85 IS USM

(C)

Canon EOS 30D + EF 75-300

(C)

Canon EOS 30D + EFS 17-85 IS USM

(C)

Canon EOS 30D + EF 75-300

This post has been edited by matcom: Jun 7 2007, 09:42 PM

well, a discontinued prosumer from Canon, the Canon Pro1 have optics close to L grade lens which in the right hands made excellent pictures , and P&S can do the same as well, its just that having a dslr, like the 30D gives you the advantage to control more elements which is often limited by Prosumers, P&S and also entry level DSLRs.

Ur pictures, check the white balance , exposure and maybe a lil' touch up on the tone, and it will be all good.

some people does wonders with Kit lens alone, depends on the tools mainly. If you have the 30D, see its advantage, be it , better handling , cleaner image , faster focus, and use it to your advantage.

a few pictures , Canon 30D + Canon 135mm F2





a Canon 10D or 300D could easily reproduce this or even better in the right hands

Not sure 30D user have this issue or not..

Auto White Balance is quite not accurate.. Sometime the photo is taken with correct color but sometime not.. Hence need to set to manual white balance like Flash, Sunlight, Shadow or etc...

Any past experince or comment? Thanks..

Yap, I should experiments and learn more. I'm new in digital slr and film slr 10 years back. Need to learn from none. Its shows through your experience and others too, how should pictures should be.

yeah... i experience that.. once a while , oh well. ... there is always post processing...

I normally do Custom WB using White A4 paper
hehhee

hey... how much is a bp 511a battery for the 30d?
can the battery work with the charger that came with 10d?

Hi guys,
Just back from Peladang Setiu Resort in Terengganu. Snap around 200. But a few are good. Lots are crapt. I think. Will load the pictures next time. Want ur advice then.
But first of all want 2 know. Which is which the most important and the first should buy?
1. 70-200 4L (Poison ...Julchin)
2. 70-300 USM IS
3. 580EXII
Got already 30D + 17-85 USM IS + 75-300 USM
Actually I love to capture indoor & outdoor. Like to do potrait, event, macro and sightseeing.
Give me some advice.

Let me break down the pricing.

1) 70-200 F4 L IS = RM4K +/-
2) 70-300 USM IS = RM2.6K +/-
3) 580 EXII = RM1.6K+

You already have wide to mid + tele covered with your ready lenses. You don;t have a flash. The 580EXII would be the primary choice. Unless you want to get better glass eg: L Glass. If you're looking for IS you could also go for both the 580EXII and the 70-300 4-5.6 IS USM and still be around the same price as the F4 L IS itself......

A handy,affordable walkaround L Glass for your Event,Indoor,outdoor & sightseeing. = 17-40 F4 L for RM2.4K +/-

This post has been edited by julchin_09: Jun 15 2007, 01:17 AM

Hi Julchin,
Hows urs. 30D coupled with L lens. I'm sure it work remarkably. Furthermore in the hand of good shooter. Back to the topic, my 75-300 USM I found not so good compared to 17-85 USM IS. Its not so sharp, the colour and contrast is quite upset me compared to another lens of mine. Need to do much post processing. Thats why I'm looking for another telezoom. About the 70-200 well I prefer 4L. Its just fit my budget. Whats the price now?
Hey, I want to see some of ur shoot with L lens. Come on. Show lar. Poison me...

Sharpness is truly an issue. As for the pricing for the 70-200 F4 L IS, Check my post above.

Woo bro, just a minute. Its out of my budget. I just looking for a used 70-200 F4L non IS for a time being. So a can buy both the lens + the flash. Maybe I can grab one if I'm lucky. So how u feel with the lens of urs. Quite heavy I think. Need monopod / just handheld is adequate?

Hmmm.... If you ask me, I'd say hold your purchase of the 70-200F4 L . Might as well get the IS one, or the f2.8....... Unless you get a good deal for a 2nd hand f4 L. My lens is not heavy and is the main reason I chose this instead of the f2.8. Its half the weight(700g+) of the f2.8(1.2kg+/-).... so it is easier for me to bring around with other lenses. Don't really need monopod to support the weight cos lens plus camera = 1.3kg +/-. If get a lil tired, just hang around your neck for a while and ease those muscles.... I like the lens, except it can be a bit noisy at times... AF noise....

Personally, I'd prefer the 24-70 f2.8L as a superb general lens But you could buy three 17-40 f4L for that price...

Oh I see. Hmm... but it would be equal to a 38mm wide which won't be that wide after all if used on the 350D/400D/20D/30D Bodies . THough you have a point there as that focal range it the most used in general that is..... The EF24-105 F4 L IS is another alternative as well plus its slightly cheaper..... If I had the dough, I'd go for the EF16-35 F2.8 L II...

This post has been edited by julchin_09: Jun 20 2007, 12:20 AM

It really is a personal preference. I've used the older 28-70L and 17-35L and I still prefer the 17-35L for my day to day shots. The super wide angle gives a perspective that's just more unusual and interesting.

Hi. Did you mean 17-40 F4 L or 16-35 F2.8 L?

No I actually have only used the 17-35/2.8L for extended amounts of time. This is the old super-wide L lens before the 16-35L came out followed by the 17-40L. This was around 1998-2002 timeframe I think. Those were the days when I had money

Oh ok. Im still new in the field of DSLR so the lense list that I have also the newer ones which are missing the lens you were using. Sorry bout that.... I have 16-35 F2.8 L I/II and the popular 17-40 F4 L in my list for that focal range only..... Have you compared using your 17-35 F2.8 L with the newer lenses I mentioned?

The 16-35L is definitely better than the old 17-35L according to reports I've read, it's definitely a worthy upgrade. I don't know much about the 17-40L unfortunately.