1st part is true, 2nd part uhhhh

The answer is very simple. She is happy that she did not give up the fight with the anti spirals and suffered the fate of other spiral beings. After defeating the anti spirals, she still had time to spend with Simon before she disappeared and that was enough happiness for her. Her life to her is a small price to pay to save the universe.

All those "alter universe" that you talk is actually the anti spirals tricking them to give up the fight and live in fake "matrix-dream-like happy life" controlled by them so that they can become like the anti-spirals later. Since the anti spirals profess that spiral beings have "unlimited wants" and will always fight to have more and more, they want to stop the Simon and gang to attain that. They want them to be like anti-spirals, devoid of emotions and desires. Simon and gang almost got tricked too but they wake up from the dream, and say "WHO THE !*(@&(!*@ YOU THINK WE ARE??? GIGA DRILL BREAKAAA!!!" Anti-spiral's ass.

The only alternate universe is the one seen in the beginning of episode 1 of Gurren Lagann where Simon continued to fight other Spiral beings and became the Spiral Nemesis after Nia's death.

You explaineded the same thing I said better than me, but i don't see why you are calling it "alternate universe". I disagree that they can create universes and stuff though cause if that's the case they might as well re-write the whole dem universe so they haxx0red and win everybody and no need be defeated by Simon.

Being devoid of emotions and desires is a by-product for for stopping their evolution. As you know anti-spirals have stopped their evolution because if the evolve further they fear they will become the spiral nemesis. Throughout the show, spiral power has been depicted as something like "Will Power", GARness, courage, greed (always want more) and perhaps manliness which translates to various things within the world of Gurren Lagann. Example, reproduction. The beastmen are cloned and can't reproduce normally hence they lack the "will power" as well as the spiral energy. BEastman live and work by the will of Lord Genome and now without him, by Simon's will. Whether Viral develops spiral energy later is debatable but that's another story.

So anyway, their main aim is to stop the use of Spiral Energy. 1st is Despair and Fear so the "courage" factor of spiral energy will be stopped. That failed. Then as you said they tried to induce complacency which failed as well. But i don't agree its through altered universes. More like dream-like state so they can remove their spiral energy and kill them off once and for all.

Indirectly her fate was what determined the outcome of that battle. If Nia died before gattai with Simon, i think Simon will be all emo and become Captain Garlock from episode 1 and wage wars with all Spiral Beings instead of longkang digger in the final episode.

It was implied that Simon can use spiral energy to bring Nia back to life but he knows he's only tricking himself by eating the blue pill and live in a false happy world, so he chose with the red pill, the harder decision and decide to live life as is.

Nia is not a beastman. She's a spiral being, one of Lord Genome's daughters (planted by Anti-Spiral) so she has spiral energy regardless of with Simon or not. The reason she disappeared is because her creators, the anti-spirals, are destroyed. Not because she no more spiral power. I know its cliche where "if kill master, everything related to him will disappear too" but this is what is happening. The answer very senang only one lar.

So can u imagine if Nia died before Simon reached her? Even if he located the homeworld in time but was too late to save her, do you think Simon will go back to earth, and give the Core Drill to the the kid, and go live a life as a hermit? Hell no. He will want revenge, and his motivations for continuing the war would've been heightened.

Compared to what happened in the anime, Nia was still alive and supported/gattai with Simon and also let him know she doesn't have long to live. (compared to die killed by Anti Spirals) She talk to Simon about it, Simon understands and to fight on to avenge Nia will be pointless....thus the ending of the anime and why he never became captain KILL EM ALL WITH BIG SPIRAL CANNON Garlock.

Very important phrase....ep 1 , Boota says "All this stars....are our enemies...."

But final episode, Simon looks into the night sky after opening coconut for little boy and says... "All this stars....are our comrades"

See how Nia has changed what would probably be a worse outcome? She definately played a pivotal and important role in Simon's decision IMHO.

This was talking about the alternate universe depicted in episode 1. It didn't happen in the end so no point arguing about it.

I think you're putting too much guesswork in here and not according to official canon of the story. The spiral nemesis is exactly what the word says it is. Nemesis means "enemy" hence a spiral nemesis is the enemy of all spiral beings. Don't think too far as God or whatever. As far as we know in the anime, we know if Spiral Nemesis happens, its the end of the world. That's all. How it happens, is based on fan theory only.

I just considered that he inspires people to fight, not so much as "evolve" them. But they may mean the same thing in the anime....so that can be true since Boota gained some over 9000 spiral energy.

He is human. He just ran back to the planet he came from and ruled them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Genome

Fan conjecture at best. But it doesn't matter how u explain it, because the end result is the same. She is dying because her masters, the Anti-Spirals, are destroyed.

Hey....if I kill your best friend and kill your girlfriend, I don't think I expect two same reactions. I kill your best friend/big brother when you are a little kid, do you expect the little kid to go berserk and kill ppl? If I kill your girlfriend in your adult years in cold blood (because i like it) will you just sit down quietly and cry especially when you know I'm still alive laughing at you? I don't think you can compare Nia and Kamina to Simon's reaction.

Although the series never explicitly stated what was episode 1 is about, its quite clear that Simon has become the Spiral Nemesis and is enemies with the entire universe, and no one in the Gurren Brigade is seen including Nia. I can only conclude that Nia is dead.

NOTE: There is a rumour that the Gurren Lagann movie will follow this route, so if it really happens, we'll see it there. No point talking here since we just 2 fans interpreting it differently.

Why do you think there are no more enemies to fight? Because Simon didn't become the Spiral Nemesis. And why didn't he become Spiral Nemesis? Because of Nia. Hence Nia's important role in the whole thing.

Hey i don't think Simon walking in Kamina's shadow makes him reckless and arrogant . In fact he trusts his big brother so much that he doesn't trust himself and he doesn't think he was capable. Worse case scenario i see is if he continued to be emo over Kamina's death, he would just be a very depressed young man with no aim in life and can't succeed Kamina as the Gurren Dan's leader. THere's no way he can become spiral nemesis in this route.

I think he forgot to mention dangers of extinction.
But otherwise good quote.

There will be 2 new lagann shows apparently. The movie, which will "betray everyone's expectations in a good way"and a OVA, which will fulfill the fans of the TV series...probably a "what happened after the war" episode.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=251381

So probably the movie will go a different route of the TV series.

And the OVA is something like an epilogue.

Well it would seem we have ironed more or less the facts and what's left is unconfirmable theories. I would really like to see episode 1 intergalactic battle happen and how Simon got there, to see if RangerRed or me was accurate.

TTGL's prime time slot doesn't necessarily mean its just for kids, but it definately means that kids can watch it too and not restricted to adults only. Not every anime can be at that time since its the most expensive time slot to be put on.

That said, TTGL can appeal to both kids and adults. It has enough depth that it will appeal to adults and at the surface level can also appeal to kids.

I lol-ed.

Fans of GL must watch this.

http://www.mediafire.com/?mxwygrilimo

Adiane vs Yoko is AWESOME!!

Yeah man no shit....epic final battle is + GAR x 100!!

http://csakuras.livejournal.com/498775.html

I hear tonnes of shat brix

Yes...the ZETSUBOU part la.

Fix'd.

Apa yoko...itu wakamoto la

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Added on May 28, 2009, 9:58 amIMMA fapping to yoko now. Apparently its a PV for a marina inoue single.

This post has been edited by wolfx: May 28 2009, 09:58 AM