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craven dusk
post Jan 5 2008, 08:33 PM

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I dont know how you guys figured out that hd dvd will win the format war. Except for hardware prices, all indicators are pointing blu-ray for the longest time. Software sales, widest industry support, more future-proof format and 90% dominance in Japanese market and global majority in favor of blu (eg. Malaysia?).

With WB turn blu, we have 70:30 film content in blu.

Dont get me wrong, I have both HD DVD and Blu-ray player.
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post Jan 5 2008, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(ferricide @ Jan 5 2008, 08:43 PM)
Future-proof? Only their PS3 is future-proof (firmware upgradeable). Other BD players aren't so. Many stories of newer discs not compatible with older players. At least HD players are upgradeable.

This is how poorer tech actually can win (with USD200-450mil up for Warner's exclusivity for 3Qs). With SONY losing money on every PS3 sold, this payout is gonna make another dent in their PL accounts.

I didnt say HD or BD will win it, all I am saying is there won't be any other better times for us as consumers as what we have now.

Rumour is there might be 1 or 2 Blu Ray studios going neutral, let's see how it goes. There's still a million HD-DVD players sold alone in the US, so why not milk it?
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Its the format thats future proof, not the player. Nobody said WB took money, and if so, lets talk Paramount. And what about Sony losing money with every PS3 sold? I don't see the relation with the better format.
Please tell which studio romoured to be going neutral. Millions HD-DVD player??? Last I read was 700,000 region. Dude, r u ok??
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post Jan 6 2008, 01:48 AM

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QUOTE(ferricide @ Jan 5 2008, 10:58 PM)
Bro, read this article and think abt BETTER FORMAT - Link
We know what's the better format, but the problem is its not going out to enough ppl.

Talk abt Paramount all you want, we all know how it goes.

Dude, i said 1 million (NOT MILLIONS) which is probably the figure its already at now, since 750K units were sold since late Nov 07. And its Christmas season too, for crying out loud. There's such a huge jump in player sales every month. I wasn't talking abt the better format, I was referring to how it relates to our situation now, buying decently priced movies.

Like I said before, Sony's BD is actually a WIP, and whereas HD is already a finalized storage medium. Yes, SONY is winning so I just want to let others know what kinda difference it could make.

Abt the "rumours", yeah its a rumour. Something that might or might not be. Why get THAT excited over it? tongue.gif
I don't wanna shoot myself in the leg now, would I, unless its a fact.
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Dude, tell us how it goes with Paramount and apparently u alleged it in your posting abt WB with sums of money exclusivity. U called it black, I said its the same. So its moot point. Please dont even compare Christmas sales, pricier blu-ray player outsold HD-DVD. Please read up. This was one of many major factors WB took into consideration. Again moot point.

I was not EXCITED abt the rumour. I'M only EXCITED WHERE U GET THAT FROM or are u just making up??
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post Jan 6 2008, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(XenoFr3ak @ Jan 6 2008, 02:02 AM)
Guys ... please stop flamming each other ar. Just be neutral on this.
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Dude, im just educating him - not to be sour grapes
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post Jan 6 2008, 02:21 AM

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QUOTE(XenoFr3ak @ Jan 6 2008, 02:08 AM)
Okie .. then just let it ends here.
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I'm just SO EXCITED where he gets the rumours from and what studios were mention.
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post Jan 6 2008, 05:53 PM

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g5sim,

The replication cost will eventually come down. But that's not the whole point. Considering the hidef market after replacing dvd as the mainstream media content, its next to nothing. WB did not bite any candy dangled in front of them. They are more to lose if they sided with the wrong camp.

What was worrying that sales of DVD dropped despite strong box-office showings. Sales of DVDs has a strong relation how well it does in box office. Recent sales data of DVD has been contradicting with performances in box office. It was worrying.

It has come to light, many held off DVD purchases to sit out the format war. They wanted to buy the movie in hidef, once and for all, but since there is no clear choice, they waited.

Also, those had already decided to go hidef route anyhow, also sitting out until the dust settles.

This confusion is killing both SD DVD and HD.
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post Jan 6 2008, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jan 6 2008, 07:17 PM)
i am afraid that the hidef will die out because if HD DVD becomes the value added feature for DVD. There are ONLY to replicators of BD50 at the moment. BD is not ready for prime time!

WB bit the candy dangling infront of them. Well after FOX bit theirs biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

People DO NOT held off hidef purchase because of the format war. It is because of the high price. DVD sales shrink is because there are plenty of other movie watching options. such as digital download. And people especially the US people no longer trust media (TV) as they used to. This affected their purchase of media (DVD included).

and if Toshiba and MS is adamant to keep HD DVD as the replacement for DVD. They will no doubt in mind, get Disney and Liongs Gate to be HD DVD exclusive by all means! The FOX ship has sailed the BD way.

I blame Toshiba and MS for being over confident on warner bros !!  vmad.gif  vmad.gif 

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g5sim, I hope you can appreciate the fact that standalone hidef players has come down dramatically. Toshiba's entry player was selling for USD99. I dont think u can say its expensive. HiDef titiles now are previously price held by DVDs. So its not expensive either. Regarding other movie options that is debatable and trusting media in regards to purchasing DVD, I really lost u there. I never considered media to be my purchasing decision. Kindly enlighten me in this matter. Share me with your thoughts.

I do agree HDDVD is evolutionary product and BD being a revolutionary product short of gold.

I believe Toshiba and Microsoft did the best they could to sway things their side. I won't think they were over confident. It's just that the majority of the industry knows best.

Regarding, WB bit the carrot, I don't think hyprocrisy is the part of the evaluation.
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post Jan 6 2008, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jan 6 2008, 09:49 PM)
Paramount bit the carrot, FOX bit the carrot (again) and WB followed FOX wink.gif

as per the US people no longer trust Media as they used too part: this has to do with the over growing popularity of Critidal Discourse after the Bush - FOX scandal and how US people were exposed to the tactic used by FOX to drive US citizens to believe Bush's war rythorics that started the Irag invasion. And how Bush won the presidential election through Fox. wink.gif

higher price is also a problem with BD - the problem will continue in the foreseeable future. BDA made it abundantly clear that they are in the business to sell expensive hardware to rip maximum profit! The cheaper players sold below $300 are 1.0 players that retailers are eager to sell anticipating profile 1.1 and 2.0 BD players that will be announced during CES. I believe we will not see any BD 2.0 players at > $500.
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erm.. So you don't watch movies by FOX? U dont watch Star Wars?? How is that related to purchasing DVDs? Dude u make me laugh.

USD99 Toshiba HD DVD players is only 1080i. I dont see any difference from your reasoning. Dude, u make me laugh.

Please don't get too emotional about this.

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post Jan 6 2008, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(XenoFr3ak @ Jan 6 2008, 10:12 PM)
Not again ... dun lar flame each other lar.
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Im amazed how many non related excuses people can come up with. He brought up higher priced BD players as an inferior thing, still majority is going blu. I don't know what kind of point he is trying to make, this is really suicidal attempt from his part.
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post Jan 6 2008, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jan 6 2008, 10:28 PM)
how difficult is to understand that not everyone needs 1080i? getting 1080p is a waste of money for these people! It was BD's hindsight that caused this mess because they wanted to look for superior spec wise

i said in my post that Bush and FOX's action had dramatically reduced the masses trust in media! When people do not trust the media, they do not consume media. I have been without a TV for several years and depend on internet almost solely for news instead of watching RTM n TV3 news or reading the star or nst!
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Dude, u are contradicting yourself

Yeah you are right abt FOX and its media. But how is that related to you buying movies? Kindly educate me.

Simple question, do you watch Star Wars? Yes/No.
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post Jan 6 2008, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jan 6 2008, 10:50 PM)
if you dont trust media, you dont consume them. as simple as that!

Yes i have all three Star Wars movies (episode 1-3) so what? laugh.gif
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Yeah i Dont see why you want to trust the media in order to Buy DVDs. And vice versa.

You alleged BD players are expensive still majority favour BD.

Regarding 1080i/1080p, u said people dont need it and just waste of money. Are you in the correct forum, i think u should be in SD DVD forum. We are here talking HIGH DEFINITION

And I dont want to be harsh to you, you might be just kid, but let me tell you a little secret - HD DVD just didnt sell well although they had Transformers and Bourne Ultimatum on their side. They just didnt sell that well with their much cheaper HDDVD players compared to more EXPENSIVE BD player. '300' a dual format title had been out-blued by BD. The only good thing abt HDDVD are the features (PIP, extras, interactive, etc.) and cheaper players. And still they are out-blued. You have to understand, all business no matter what, are in to make money. Consumers and the industry wants a viable format to have a long life span for their investments.

If you could start to think why is this happening.... All your worries and anxiety right now is soothed


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post Jan 7 2008, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(ferricide @ Jan 7 2008, 05:59 AM)
Let's see what's gonna come to us in the CES conference.

Craven, keep your EDUCATION system to yourself. On the contrary, I guessed you've learned enuff to EDUCATE g5sim on BETTER TECH and why BLU-RAY is winning as well? Let me know if you need more info, dun mind sharing smile.gif
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Dude, I'm still waiting for your 'rumour' about which studio was thinking of switching over to HD DVD?
Can u come up with an answer and substantiate it?
Regarding keeping education to myself, I'm sorry I'm not selfish like you.

Ignorance is Bliss

And hey ferricide, the following link will get you excited and maybe u can start learning if you alleged that I'm educating, if I do, mainly because I'm willing to accept things:

Ferricide's Education

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post Jan 8 2008, 12:32 AM

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If you guys seriously read, I have stopped conversing with g5sim. If you seriously read, you will see ferricide wants to spread falsehood. If you seriously, Xenofreak is cool. If you seriously read, Ferricide has not answer and substantiate a rumour about 2 studios switching side to HD DVD?

If you read carefully, there is no insult unless somebody wants to be funny with spreading falsehood. Like i said, ignorance is bliss.
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post Jan 12 2008, 11:54 AM

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Yeah better buy fast before they got folded
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post Jan 31 2008, 12:38 AM

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Dear friends of Low Yat,

If you think Blu-ray is not taking. Then please go ahead and plunge with HD-DVD purchase. Simple as that or stay on the fences. Easy choice. For me, I want to save money and not waste more zero return on investment. I had gone Blu-Ray. With the information we have now, please be rational.
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post Feb 1 2008, 02:30 AM

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QUOTE(ferricide @ Jan 31 2008, 11:47 AM)
Attention Whore.
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HD DVD diehard fan spotted LOL
Ferricide, I'm still waiting for the 2 studios you read somewhere talkin to of switching to HD-DVD rumour? Please link. I beg of you. Can you? Can you? Or do you mean New Line & HBO?
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post Feb 1 2008, 10:07 AM

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Silencer, you are cool. I share the same believe. I'm not a diehard BD fan. I have 5 BDs so far and 4 HD DVDs. I'm a fan of High Definition.

I'm here because ferricide spread alot of falsehood about promising prospects about HD DVD. Potently misleading. Of all that Ferricide indicated, he read an internet rumour about 2 studios about to switch sides right after Warner decided - circa jan 4.

So I'm just so excited, he thinks I am though, with the name of studios and the link.

Ferricide has to be responsible for his own words. He thinks by simply saying things, he won't be accountable. Is he the new Mr. Lingam?

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post Feb 8 2008, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(nakata101 @ Feb 8 2008, 06:39 AM)
Just now i only realize why suddenly pop up so many ppl said Transformer movie is suck.
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why ar? This is blesphemy. LOL
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post Feb 16 2008, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(Sd-RawK-Cab25 @ Feb 16 2008, 02:23 AM)
well...this should be good news for those blu-rayers who want to put it in hd-dvd's faces:
Source: JoBlo.com, which in turn extracted from The Hollywood Reporter.

So that's that guys. Since NetFlix and now Wal-Mart shifting exclusive to Blu-Ray, and Toshiba ending it all..looks like next thing on my list will be a bloody expensive PS3. Just to watch movies in High-Def.

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Dude, how much you bought HD DVD player for? And what HD-DVD player you are watching with?
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post Feb 17 2008, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(Sd-RawK-Cab25 @ Feb 16 2008, 10:59 PM)
well in my case, i will need to get a high def player for blu-ray (if hd-dvd is totally gone for good), as i'm a movie lover on a budget. the display is there, all HD'd up with a living room home theater up as well. only awaiting for a "mini-setup" for my room.

so like i said, just need to wait for the right time and right amount of ka-ching for me to carry on to the blu-path.
i'm just using the 360 add-on, which clearly explains that "movie lover on a budget" thingy. which is why i think that currently, given the current monetary status of mine, the ps3 is bloody expensive; what with the lineup of 360 games i'm saving on.

then again, this is me and my situation. t'was just a statement.  biggrin.gif
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Mr. Rawk, it is expensive for many people, not just you.
I'm just curious how much you bought your Xobx360 and HD DVD add on?

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