I want to buy a used mercedes benz w203
or
Bmw e90

But my family kept saying maintenance expensive .
Haha how to convince them to let me buy it

How is bmw or mercedes maintenance yearly.

u unker ar ??

Around 25 years old

Is age really a big matters

only unker drive benz & bmw

Ok when young no big dream or big cars then
You drive proton lol

for u big dream is car ??

really ?? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

whats your budget ??

w203 or e90 is very old car, u need alot of maintenance to do

OK
W203 is around 40k-60k
SO around that price lol
Really

go buy myvi cash

I know but is the maintenance very high or just above average only ?

Haha if worse come to worse then I buy Suprima lol
Why myvi so less features

honda jazz also good

if u've at least RM40k standby cash for maintenance and a spare car, then i'd say, go ahead and get one.

Haha
Around RM 20 k
But if more than that I need to sell my current cars

normal service is affordable, but sometime u need to spare 4k or 10k if any happened to your old car.

For example, my ex W204, key ignition faulty, the problem is u cant change the parts only, u have change the whole system and reset the key with your car.......cost you about 6k.

central locking got problem, u cant go roadside accessories to fix it..... u have to go to specialist to fix it for you, rm600 one door, if 2 doors rm1200.

not to mention if the gear box got problem.......

If you prepare please go ahead...... it is a experience to drive BMW or Benz.

This post has been edited by desong: Jul 8 2017, 06:47 PM

Oh but so new w204
Also got problem

Can I inquire why do you choose Mercedes compare to Bmw

Lol The place I work got 1 lady about late 20s or mid 30s driving bmw white. lol. 3series i think. lol. nice wor.. xD i also tempted to buy. xD

Currently I am driving a F30 , for comfortable drive......Benz is better

for driving experience BMW is much better.

Since I got do research abit d
Plz get new bmw from Bmw malaysia
dun go recon
Becoz no free service

If from Bmw Malaysia got free mind if anything happen

Lol I saw on carousell i think bmw m3 black 69k lol. whoa.. xD

I heard from friend
Who own w203 also
Change Bolt for Merc costs around 6 k

Wah so young can drive New Bmw

For me I want to save some money for emergency matter too

Bullshyt

Aku dah pakai Benz since 2"

I can't say much about Bimmers... but I can tell after having driven and own 2 old Benzes (W126 and W202), used them as daily machines.

Maintenance wise, provided everything is in good shape la,

I use Mobil's engine oil... I use 5W-30 for the W202 (M111 engine), 10W-40 for the W126 (M110 engine).
Regular interval at 5000km.

ATF, you can opt for Dexron 3 I suppose... but I'd recommend using the general MB tranny fluid. Change every 20000kms.

The other general maintenance items to look at would be the PS, brake and diff fluid as expected. Other than that, it's pretty much standard.

I'd suppose the early batches of the W203 is somewhat similar to the W202, so in general, you'd wanna look at electronics... Be careful of crumbly wire harnesses, avoid that. Ask the seller if it has been changed. Plastics are a headache, make sure interior is still in good shape.

As usual, if you can, take a test drive... these German machines tend to feel pretty solid and study... if it doesn't check thoroughly. Bushings are something to consider if you want a comfy and steady ride.

When it comes to repairs, either you learn the DIY way (Mercedessource), or find a trusty workshop (ie. City Cycle, DTM Benz) that has sufficient knowledge. These cars aren't for the general workshops so accustomed to the usual breed of machines on the road.

Anyways, all the best in your hunt! Feel free to ask if you have any specific questions.

Terima Kasih
Bagi saya determination untuk beli Benz

Yes definitely

Never buy new , biggest regret

Get a low mileage Pre reg / used local car

I am planing to get a c230 2005-2006
1.8 version but the price
or
Bmw 320i only costs RM 36k for the 2007 .

I'm also intrested in dis two models but for de mercs, i'm looking for 2006 2.5 v6 n bmw 325i

take 320i , its cheap, e 90 is very modern.

maintenance is subjective. expensive vs japanese, yes. expensive vs proton, maybe not, cause proton keep changing cheap parts.

i just bought a w203, though. but i look at the pricing, bmw is cheaper. plus bmw performance is better. i went for the comfort instead. but i am 12 years ahead of you, so merc is fine.

if you really really want to own one. you need to do one thing first. read and learn about the car. love the car and know where to source to service, and if problem occur. what should you do, and how much does it cost. then your brain, wont suddenly say. wah, like that meh?

most ppl buy car for the sake of showing off to their family and friends i also got one. because my family dont approve i can buy?

E90 huh got lotsa sensor problem and the parts are all expensive, even bolt n nut if im not mistaken per nut cost rm40++ and they change 10 of them so cost around 400++, just nuts okay, from auto bavaria.

Hmmm why 230k . I got one also. Taking car next week.

Why not take BMW. You mentioned. You are 25 right. Take 320i and it's a younger car. 230k is all 2005 in the market. Been around a few places to find the car.

Can ask have you seen any unit?. Btw. C230k it's quite rare. So not many in the used market. I went through a few came down to 2 cars that are still great in condition.





This post has been edited by sonyman: Jul 9 2017, 10:33 AM

The smartest way to save some money but still get the same product.

For the e90, check on maintenance esp with regard to the transmission and fluid changes. If you have no service history, walk away.

Common problems include the fuel pump failing past 100k, sensor failures and transmission failures due to lack of maintenance. This gets expensive.

Rarer problems include vanos problems. The aircon is known to have intermittent electronic issues

Usual maintenance at 100+k include seal changes. The car needs preventative maintenance and if you aren't familiar with cars, don't touch a used BMW.

At this age, you'll be looking at bushings and mountings changes. Spark plugs may be due for a change as well.

On average, for an older e90, expect to pay about rm10k on maintenance per year excluding fuel, insurance, tax, tyres. Total incl tyres is closer to 15-20k.

If you can't come up with this kind of money without blinking an eye, don't bother.

However, if you do your own wrenching and know how to source parts- ie home mechanic, then go ahead. This bill comes fown to about 4K. But keep a second car for the months, yes, months, that your car is out of service.

I suggest you keep a used myvi or Axia around.

I deal with older cars and keep two extra cars because at anyone time, something is in the workshop for routine or preventative maintenance.

Does E90 320D in Malaysia suffer from timing chain issues like those in UK?

Diesel
Hmm quite bad

But the used car dealer just sold off the 320i for RM38000 (OTR)
Haha Kinda like that cars too bad

Ok I also was thinking off that
Buy a cheap old Bmw still kept my Proton Saga FLX for spare or emergency used too

Haha So far I quite good in computer /desktop parts maybe I go cars diy next

Obviously u haven't come to that level yet. Heck you should ask him to get a myvi cash

how about 190e merc? very sporty

Childish comment! How did you know TS don't earn more than 10 k ? Maybe 10k is his monthly earning! You got cash buy civic but too bad that cash not enough to buy a BMW ! So work harder !

Maintaining an old car is also a form of a hobby ! I would say go for it!

I you cash rich just go ahead buy it.

Car more than 10 year cannot loan with bank, if can the tenure only 1 3 years only which is higher monthly commitment.

Prepared spare rm15-20k per year exclude norm maintenance and tyre should be enough.

Its depend on luck too.

Sorry, your comment is the childish one. lostgirl said UNLESS he makes more than rm10k go for other cars which is pretty reasonable.

If TS earns RM10K a month will he be going for 10 years old cars? At 25 y.o. it is best for him to focus on building his career rather than spending time, money and energy on old luxury cars which are very expensive and troublesome to maintain. I'm surprised there are people egging him on. If he goes ahead life will give him some painful lessons from the school of hard knocks.


This post has been edited by KennyKB: Jul 10 2017, 11:41 AM

Sorri! You are the retard one! Why wouldn't he go for old cars? You are not his parents so who gave you the rights to tell him what he should or should not do? you are just another kaypo , even if the old cars are troublesome to maintain also he never ask for your help what!

My cousin using that
Quite good but he change engine cannot move now

Hard to find a good ones nowadays

OK I got around 4k income monthly .
Can buy new civic but why Japanese cars .
Honda maintenance costs also quite pricey

I will pay cash usually
Becoz some shops ask for 10% per years

Oh Still quite high .
That why I keeping another cars just in case for this type of maintenance costs

Yes I dun earn Rm 10 k per months but since Bmw and mercedes price is quite affordable after 10 years .
Maintenance I dun mind but if the amount is ok .
Since as I saw from Mercedes C200 W203 and BMW 320i the design is quite worth it for the current price.

For example if I get a Honda Civic 1.5 turbo also useless.
Made from the same factory as proton

If you find a good condition used car you can spare less than that.

In 2014 I bought an old Merc SLK 230k (first gen), after 39 mths owning it I spent about RM14.5k on maintenance cost so far, running cost (RT, ins, tyres, car polish etc) excl petrol about RM11.4k and upgrade cost (wheel upgrade, bodykits, wind deflater) about RM4k.

So, it's all about down to homework, read up forum to know the common problems, and knowing the right place to find the parts and right prices for the parts. Of course a bit of luck as well that you don't get a lemon.

agree. not cheap though, but at least you got the warranty for the new car.

but the ride and handling, nothing is comparable to bmw and merc. ver different.

but the poison on the contis are once you feel them they are hard to turn back.

so you need to learn and ask where to source for what material or parts for your lovely conti ride. you need to know the lubang.

if you have a bunch of friends doing so, that would be perfect.

BTW. Loving my C230K, just took it yesterday, from a Hyundai Accent to a C230K, its a world apart.

But i am still keeping my accent. still love my accent.

bro, can kindly share where you get these lubangs?

TS..

you're still young, less commitment ,my advise..just go for it.
if not u will keep thinking abt it,every single moment.
believe me; you will learn a lot of thing later on..
good luck on yr hunt.

There is no meaning for u to keep the 2nd car. You just losing more money from 2nd car depreciation.

You will still have to fork out the money to repair regardless there is 2nd car or not...

Taking grab or taxi still cheaper economically compare keeping another car as stand by...

This post has been edited by chamelion: Jul 12 2017, 10:57 AM

you see TS no up..
maybe 10k is his pocket money to burn every month aside from his earnings.

Yeah...you live only once !

Yeah....my bad!

haha I am from JB, the lobangs don't help you a single bit lar.

I get new parts (most of the time OEM) for consumer parts like cabin filter, mountings, etc. For body parts or speical sensors I will go chop shops. For the hydraulic cylinders for the retractable hard top I got it dismantled by local workshop and couriered to USA for refurbished

For you W203 C230k 1.8 litre, if you are to overhaul the timing chain with sprockets, you may consider make a trip to SG to buy the parts, much cheaper there due to no custom duty. As the parts alone can cost > RM5k, definitely worth to make a trip to SG.

This post has been edited by amdxp: Jul 12 2017, 01:57 PM

Suspect they are right. Well if you have the cash, no need to convince anyone right?

Ayyy.... Proton's are well built cars. Well at least my old iswara is anyway. 20+ years old still runs like a charm... well.... at least till a few months back :-)

wat da..... 6k needed just to change a simple keyhole.... with 6k I can buy new car d. a new old iswara + full recondition cost, make it look like showroom condition again.

"it is a experience to drive BMW or Benz.".... not sure if being sarcastic or..... hehehehe. lolz.

IKR !!! To each his own. :-)

Billionaire IKEA founder prefers to ride on a bus. "Arriving at a gala to receive a Businessman Of The Year Award he was at first refused entry because he had come on the bus.".

Link: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/387763...y-flies-economy

His money up to him how he wanna spend it. To each his own. :-)

Old cars are awesome dude.... I have an old iswara. and i know its awesome. :-)

Dude.... are u SURE you can afford it? Later got breakdown... dun pulak you have to sell a kidney to fund the repairs or worst still go behind chowkit satu jam 300..... transmission fail u pitch up a tent back there.

Ok... I better stop here before the guy come and say "his kidney la up to him if he want to sell it or not .... u not his parents wat".....

If there are knocking sounds coming from the engine bay, its gonna be a painful lesson alright.

Oh baby you can say that again and again and again. There is some truth to it. That sweet ride from the Golf GTI Highline still fresh in my mind. That sweet sweet sweet seduction from a combination of silence, torque, godly acceleration, smooth as silk shifts, and that comfy ride. Wow I just became a little happier just thinking about it.

I love the looks of merz w211 E230. Kinda of last batch before introducing the w212.

They throw away lots of accessories on this model. Gps was one of it, back then most car dont equipped with it. 18" rim plus advangarde trim.

2.5 engine with V6 and valve timing at 201hp. The m111 (black engine) like E240 didn't comes with valve timing.

car >10 years old ; very hard to get loan... even its cheap u need to pay CASH

secondly > 10 years there is insurance loading ; so its not really cheap

Another suggestion just came to mind. Go test drive a Golf GTI. For your age level, this car is kinda awesome.

All im suggesting is, go test drive it once, thats all. You might end up falling for it. I'm not even kidding. It gives you the right balance of the comfort of the old merc and performance of the bimmer in one package. And this one you might actually be able to afford. One test drive - with race mode on (emphasis added) - is all you need.

Unless its the badge that ur after.

If I'm not mistaken a Golf GTI MK 6 in reasonable condition may be even more expensive than a 10 year old Merc or BMW.

The upside is that it may be cheaper to maintain but on a 4K salary still a struggle.

Disclaimer: I'm not his parent, not advising him what to do so don't shoot me.

This post has been edited by Ginny88: Jul 12 2017, 04:16 PM

Great advise. Thanks man

Well, I'm driving a W124 E220 for 1.5 year now. My parents owned it for more than 10 years iirc. Just to tell you, old conti are definitely not cheap to maintain.

From my experience, you'll be okay most of the time. But you better pray "that day" never comes, I myself had experience of a small electronic stuff spoil, engine shut off while I'm taking a corner. You guessed it no power steering and steering lock will engage if I turn too much. It was slow so I didn't drive into other ppl's house. (maybe it won't be as bad la, but most probably not that "cheap" to replace)

That one small matter, not too expensive to find at chop shop. But unless you have good mechanics friend, your car go into unknown workshop means you rather wish you never own it. And idk is me or what, at a stage, you'll notice things spoil one by one, can be a really small thing but it is as if it's periodic.

The repairs my car have been through in my hands:
1)both new front absorber, some rubber bushing and ball joints and a minor repair for my quirky gearbox. Bill was 2.5k, well it was a reputable workshop that mostly work on contis so it was pretty much there lo.

2)alarm system spoil, remote won't work and the key can only open driver's door. Every other door have to open manually. Repair was RM60, that also because my dad knew the guy. If walk in will be easily 200+ due to the man hour to debug it. New unit? RM1k++ exclude installation.

But I do have to mention, my car is 24 years old, even older than me. So some things are expected. But it cost quite a lot to maintain throughout the entire ownership of the car (since my parents own it).

The 2 cars you mentioned, they aren't the most reliable platform (that era of Conti), especially that BMW, according to a lot of my dad's friends (mechanics, spare parts seller, car owners and whatever)(oh, and the infamous E60 of that era ).

It's almost definitely (or you can say for damn sure) cheaper to run a Japanese car than conti. Yes, they are not bulletproof (saw a brand new Accord with faulty DRL last week), but surely cheaper when you have to replace something. Just remember, you're buying a car that cost north of 200k, you should also expect the cost of maintaining the car to be of that calibre.

They aren't joking when they say old Contis are expensive to maintain, you lucky you good, not lucky, then it's a money pit. 50-60k play Honda city ba, or you don't want headache straight buy new myvi lo.

P.S. some Jetta is in that range too, but don't say I didn't want you

You are not his par.... oh wait... just saw the disclaimer.

TLDR Version:

1. It makes you closer to God.

2. Small thing spoil, you die. No wonder Euro Ncap now most car aiming for the highest 5 star safety rating, guess because of this... And people say my 20+ year iswara not a safe car. It only has like what..... 2 electronic item. The power window and like the radio. And the radio doesnt work so only 1 electronic item. But hey, at least my car didnt crash into other people house when my radio failed or that one time when my power window got stuck.

3. TS might wanna keep that platform reliability advice in mind. This info sounds pretty key, coming from a conti owner himself, esp if mechanics, spare part sellers, owners are all on the same page regarding the particular platform.

True, but you can't be lucky all the time. It's like gambling, sooner or later the odds will even out. You can reduce the cost of owning a Conti car if you have very good knowledge of the car, know where to get cheap spare parts and have a good trusted mechanic who won't chop you. Otherwise make sure your income is high enough to maintain it.

Your money... YOU SUKA !!!

This You made my day

*probably isolated case and my car is so old

True

If that mechanic is good enough, sometimes they won't even charge you to check one small problem, or they can tell you what's important and urgent to fix, what's not. Instead of giving you a list of all the things that you have to change immediately and charge you inspection fees.

Also, My parents encountered one workshop that changed some good stuff out of the car with some inferior ones, so they can keep the car going back every few weeks or months. I won't name them, but I think they closed down already.