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TSkktong83
post Jul 7 2017, 01:59 PM, updated 9y ago

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Dear Share expert,

My relatives bought this share for USD2.50 * 10,800 share (About RM120k) , he was told that this company QMIS security is going to get listed in USA for value over USD 8 Market price when listed on NYSE.

But based on his share certificate, he gotten 10,800 share but with par value of $0.001 per share.

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Does it means that he got cheated or significantly overpaid for his share? Because based on my knowlege his share cert only worth USD 10.80


Now he tengah panic and ask for my help.


Hope some sifu can help
TSkktong83
post Jul 7 2017, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(E.Amrol @ Jul 7 2017, 02:23 PM)
Normal not cheated. Nothing to worry. For sure original owner will not sell $1=$1 par value to new investors especially when the company is bigger & doing well.
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means now he really paid RM120k for a paper worth USD10.80? So how he going to untung?
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QUOTE(kktong83 @ Jul 7 2017, 01:59 PM)
Dear Share expert,

        My relatives bought this share for USD2.50 * 10,800 share (About RM120k) , he was told that this company QMIS security is going to get listed in USA for value over USD 8 Market price when listed on NYSE.

        But based on his share certificate, he gotten 10,800 share but with par value of $0.001 per share.

user posted image

       
        Does it means that he got cheated or significantly overpaid for his share? Because based on my knowlege his share cert only worth USD 10.80
Now he tengah panic and ask for my help.
Hope some sifu can help
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Let me help u make it easy to understand

Company shares got 2 kind of value
Par value = paid up value.. means the total paid up $$ / shares = par value.

The second value is face value. This value is the share price. Share price up and down is about face value. He buy when usd 2.5, and going to list at US at usd 8.

So actually he gain usd 5.5 x 10800 shares
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post Jul 7 2017, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(kktong83 @ Jul 7 2017, 01:59 PM)
Dear Share expert,

         My relatives bought this share for USD2.50 * 10,800 share (About RM120k) , he was told that this company QMIS security is going to get listed in USA for value over USD 8 Market price when listed on NYSE.

         But based on his share certificate, he gotten 10,800 share but with par value of $0.001 per share.

         Does it means that he got cheated or significantly overpaid for his share? Because based on my knowlege his share cert only worth USD 10.80
Now he tengah panic and ask for my help.
Hope some sifu can help
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Smell like a money game, scam.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Jul 7 2017, 08:19 PM
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post Jan 26 2019, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 7 2017, 08:18 PM)
Smell like a money game, scam.
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The share is valid?
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post Jan 26 2019, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(kktong83 @ Jul 7 2017, 02:28 PM)
means now he really paid RM120k for a paper worth USD10.80? So how he going to untung?
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What is the finding? Real share or scam?
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post Apr 7 2020, 12:23 PM

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hah guess what, the company is still not listed and OTC price now 0.51cent. Any poor soul who invested in this?
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post Apr 7 2020, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(kktong83 @ Jul 7 2017, 01:59 PM)
Dear Share expert,

        My relatives bought this share for USD2.50 * 10,800 share (About RM120k) , he was told that this company QMIS security is going to get listed in USA for value over USD 8 Market price when listed on NYSE.

        But based on his share certificate, he gotten 10,800 share but with par value of $0.001 per share.

user posted image

       
        Does it means that he got cheated or significantly overpaid for his share? Because based on my knowlege his share cert only worth USD 10.80
Now he tengah panic and ask for my help.
Hope some sifu can help
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When your relative bought? Now only worth 0.51USD.
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Loss is (0.51-2.50)x10,800=-21,492USD = -93,490MYR.
Loss is almost RM100k.
I'm guessing this company is a private company hence the word OTC (over the counter).
Good luck finding a buyer.
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post Apr 7 2020, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(gianck @ Jan 26 2019, 10:55 PM)
What is the finding? Real share or scam?
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Must be scam. The company sounds like a reverse merger that didn't go through.
Read more about the scams: Early 21st-century Chinese reverse mergers

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post Apr 23 2020, 02:51 AM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Apr 7 2020, 01:11 PM)
Must be scam. The company sounds like a reverse merger that didn't go through.
Read more about the scams: Early 21st-century Chinese reverse mergers

3 minute summary

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Now they say dual listing on NASDAQ and NYSE bro doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

2017 until now say listing also havent listed. Scam already. better take back money.
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post Sep 29 2020, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(kktong83 @ Jul 7 2017, 01:59 PM)
Dear Share expert,

        My relatives bought this share for USD2.50 * 10,800 share (About RM120k) , he was told that this company QMIS security is going to get listed in USA for value over USD 8 Market price when listed on NYSE.

        But based on his share certificate, he gotten 10,800 share but with par value of $0.001 per share.

user posted image

       
        Does it means that he got cheated or significantly overpaid for his share? Because based on my knowlege his share cert only worth USD 10.80
Now he tengah panic and ask for my help.
Hope some sifu can help
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Yup as one of the forumer explained, the 0.001 is the par value. For share price it is seen at the face value which means what price the share currently trading at.

Regarding the share cert, your relative need to take note it is a restricted shares and subjected to rule 144 SEC , it need to remove the legend before can do DTC and enter brokerage and trade.
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post Oct 22 2020, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Apr 7 2020, 01:07 PM)

When your relative bought? Now only worth 0.51USD.
https://i.imgur.com/gwiAQ0T.png 

Loss is (0.51-2.50)x10,800=-21,492USD = -93,490MYR.
Loss is almost RM100k.
I'm guessing this company is a private company hence the word OTC (over the counter).
Good luck finding a buyer.
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Buy at usd2.50 at 2017. At 2019 price already rise at usd20 still dont sell ar???? Seriously!! Ayooooo.....

Now when price drop usd0.51 you talking about sell? rclxm9.gif


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post Oct 22 2020, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(Donbotak @ Oct 22 2020, 12:23 PM)
Buy at usd2.50 at 2017. At 2019 price already rise at usd20 still dont sell ar???? Seriously!! Ayooooo.....
Now when price drop usd0.51 you talking about sell?  rclxm9.gif
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If sell at USD20 and later stock become USD1000 how? laugh.gif
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post Oct 24 2020, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Oct 22 2020, 12:51 PM)
If sell at USD20 and later stock become USD1000 how? laugh.gif
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Wow..... bangwall.gif

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post Oct 24 2020, 03:12 PM

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Good example of people invest in something they have no idea about.
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QUOTE(Donbotak @ Oct 22 2020, 12:23 PM)
Buy at usd2.50 at 2017. At 2019 price already rise at usd20 still dont sell ar???? Seriously!! Ayooooo.....
Now when price drop usd0.51 you talking about sell?  rclxm9.gif
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most likely the reason is he can't sell, need to convert first and he didn't know how
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post Oct 16 2021, 03:22 PM

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Have you actually read the S-1 filing? How can a company with such balance sheet, ZERO assets recorded as at 31 March 2021, were able to list on public market?

The minimum requirement to get listed on Nasdaq was:

- Shareholders Equity of at least $2,000,000.
- At least 100,000 shares of public float.
- A minimum of 300+ shareholders.
- Total assets of $4,000,000.
- At least two market makers.
- $3 minimum bid price of the company stock.
- Public float market value of $1,000,000

I bet they did not fulfill any of this. and they are not even making any revenue at all.

https://pictr.com/images/2021/10/16/BGdCqf.md.png

Well, I do have relative invested in this scam too.... but luckily they are able to withdrawn their money since the amount they invested is not a significant amount.

Btw, any expert here can advice, does US Sec allowed all sorts of company to file in FORM S-1, REGISTRATION STATEMENT UNDER THE SECURITIES ACT OF 1933?




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QUOTE(kktong83 @ Jul 7 2017, 01:59 PM)
Dear Share expert,

        My relatives bought this share for USD2.50 * 10,800 share (About RM120k) , he was told that this company QMIS security is going to get listed in USA for value over USD 8 Market price when listed on NYSE.

        But based on his share certificate, he gotten 10,800 share but with par value of $0.001 per share.
       
        Does it means that he got cheated or significantly overpaid for his share? Because based on my knowlege his share cert only worth USD 10.80
Now he tengah panic and ask for my help.
Hope some sifu can help
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1stly it restricted share certificates which you need check the reverse side on the conditions of restriction

2nd the value paid vs the value of certificate itself already gives away as you relative go to checked big time by those so called investment group seminar which there is many around as I encountered before

3rd to dispose this will be difficult be there is not a proven value yet and dispose it via exchange will be difficult because the transfer ownership you need to look into now
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post Oct 16 2021, 09:08 PM

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$0.25 per share

https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/qmis


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