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post Sep 6 2008, 07:39 AM

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I think NZ's not so popular cos it's a relatively 'unknown' option. People like to follow the herd, so they go to places like Australia or UK. US is now popular, but once upon a time, few people went there. But that had nothing to do with the quality of American education. Canda's pretty much in the same boat as NZ - both are unknown options.

As for rankings and the like, if you want to go to Uni of Melbourne or NSW, fair enough (though I know plenty who'd argue that Auckland's engineering is the best in Australasia, regardless of rankings). But most Malaysians go to some random 3rd class Aussie uni and then claim that Australia provides 'better' education. blink.gif Oh well, if they're happy with that, well and good.


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post Sep 11 2008, 06:04 PM

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Haya, you're in Auckland now? I thought you've left for Australia or gone back to Malaysia or something.
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QUOTE(aaron4d @ Sep 12 2008, 03:33 PM)
thx lilredridinghood for the info.

what are the prospects for commerce, specifically marketing grads in nz?
will it be hard to look for a job? what is the demand for mktg majors like?

also, can a degree from vic uni be used as a platform to look for work in australia?
izzit hard to switch to australia to work once  graduate from an nz uni?
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The NZ job market is very small. Job hunting is tough in all fields except for a few like engineering, accounting, medicine. However, if you're willing (and can afford) to be patient, it is possible to find a job. Patience is the key though, and a willingness to suck it up working in McDonald's or retail till you find that permanent full-time job. The very last thing you should do is to sit on your butt doing nothing while looking for a job.

The best thing you can do to boost your employability is to work while studying. Gain as much work experience as possible. Does far more for your CV than a string of As.
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post Sep 23 2008, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(justincase @ Sep 23 2008, 11:10 AM)
Anyone here taking Psychology in University of Otago?
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I did a couple of papers. Otago is pretty good for psychology.

Are you from HELP?

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post Sep 26 2008, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ Sep 25 2008, 06:58 PM)
However, staying in is another thing. I only have the figures for 2006, but in Auckland, about 1500 people got into 1st year law. Only about 500 were allowed to go on into 2nd year. In Canterbury, only 40% got into 2nd year law. I don't think anything has changed much since then.

Law schools in NZ are very well developed. Auckland's law school is the 2nd oldest (the oldest goes to Canterbury), and every bit competent. I frankly would have no qualms reading law in NZ: it's the whole open entry thing that puts many a intl student off.

Oh, and as a side note, 90% of Auckland's Law student's are double degree students.
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500? I thought it was 200.
That's a lot then, cos I thought Vic had a reputation for taking the most 2nd year students (at 300). Also have (along with Waikato and Canterbury) the reputation for taking in 'rejects' from Auckland and Otago. For Vic the reason was slightly different, being that they have more places.

I believe Otago is the oldest, with Canterbury a close second.

You'll probably find similar statistics all over the country. Of the remaining 10%, I'll say 8% already have another bachelor's degree.



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post Oct 18 2008, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(guest18 @ Oct 16 2008, 06:19 PM)
IM proud of my english laugh.gif

IM going to study com science there
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Good choice. Otago has one of the best comp science departments in NZ, which is inexplicably ignored by the rest of the university. I've never quite understood it's near invisible status. Maybe because the focus tends to be on the health sciences, law, psychology, phys ed... but still, if theology and philosophy have a bigger profile, comp science should to. Btw every comp science student in Otago disowns the uni website - for good reason. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(guest18 @ Dec 19 2008, 04:41 PM)
eh , and I Though IM gonna get rejected but now they ask me go take ielts to complete my unconditonal offer sweat.gif

I didnt expect getting into otago is that easy , after all they are still world top 100 uni or 200 I cant remember
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Most courses in NZ universities are open entry - ie you only need basic high school/pre-u qualifications to get in.

Easy to get in, harder to get out with a degree. Plenty of people leave without a degree/take far longer than they should to graduate.
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post Feb 6 2009, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(fender @ Feb 5 2009, 10:35 PM)
hye.where did u find out about studying in NZ? do they have Education Exhibition here in m'sia?
i'm really interested and is there any place or agents in the web where i can start?
thanx
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I'm not in favour of going with agents. Do your own research, decide and apply by yourself. It's not hard to find out stuff these days with the internet.

For a start try this http://www.studyingnewzealand.com/
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post Feb 9 2009, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(haya @ Feb 8 2009, 04:36 PM)
I don't believe in rankings, as they are irrelevant in the context of undergraduates. But a simple search would reveal a discussion in this thread.

My advice: go to any NZ university that accepts you. Other factors such as cost of living, cost of fees, accessibility etc are more important than perceived standing.
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Agree with Haya, especially in the NZ context.
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post Feb 13 2009, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(der.msia @ Feb 12 2009, 01:15 PM)
Hi all,

Does any1 got any idea for which is the best bank for international student? lowest starting up fees...maintainance fees..monthly fees ..etc..

In addition, where can I better exchage rates in NZ?

Thank in advance.
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Most banks have special international student accounts. Pretty much similar terms in the end. But ASB generally has the best interest rates.
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post Apr 26 2009, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(Limster88 @ Apr 20 2009, 07:33 PM)
I have 1 question.....      unsure.gif

Lets say a graduate from a Malaysian Uni in Biotechnology wants to enroll in a Masters course for Uni of Otago, from the description.....
It says a four-year honours degree, but so far Malaysian Uni's are offering a three-year honours degree in Biotechnology...... What should 1 do if he still wish to enroll in it??

Thanks for any help given........    notworthy.gif
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Unless any of us has actual experience, I don't think we can give you a definite answer.
My hunch is that you'll have to do the full 18 months programme, since that's the standard for a Masters programme. A PGDip is generally the taught component of the Master (ie, Masters minus the research thesis). But this is just a hunch.

You'll be better off just asking Otago directly. Get it from the horse's mouth, so to speak. An email isn't difficult to write.


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QUOTE(Massa @ Apr 18 2009, 10:40 AM)
Eh , are you sure that is for Postgraduate Diploma , lilredridinghood?
But I quoted for 'Masters' there. Pls correct me if I'm wrong.

So maybe they will consider someone with working experience , perhaps 1 or 2 years , to finish Masters in 1 year. smile.gif
Interesting.
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Actually, I think I've found the answer. Saw this in the papers today

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The New Zealand standard has always been that to achieve a masters degree, a student must have completed five years of study, and universities have rigidly stuck to that system.


But it might change. See http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article....jectid=10568764

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post May 27 2009, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(sE_vIxEn @ May 25 2009, 01:08 AM)
hi guys. i have sent in my application to UNITEC New Zealand. hope everything goes well. at first i wanted to send in to AUT as well, but they got some sort of surcharge to get my credits evaluated. shakehead.gif waiting for my final results now. anyone of you seen or heard about UNITEC campus? biggrin.gif
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If you're willing to come all the way to NZ and pay high international student fees, what's $100 odd compared to that? (I'm assuming it's around the surcharge is around the $100 range since Auckland Uni charges about $70)

Don't let a mere surcharge restrict your university choice.

What do you plan to study anyway?


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QUOTE(booooster @ May 27 2009, 07:36 PM)
http://www.unitec.ac.nz/

nice location no jam to get there
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That depends on where you're coming from.


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QUOTE(fantagero @ May 25 2009, 05:46 AM)
anyway. is it a good time during winterbreak around july to go queenstown??
coz afraid that too cold, and also since the daytime much shorter. end up staying in the backpackers most of the time.
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Nothing wrong with going in winter. Both winter and summer are peak tourist seasons in Queenstown.

What do you intend to do there? If you want to ski etc, it's the perfect time.
Many other activities are open during winter, but some do close.

IMO, Queenstown is at its most beautiful during winter. The snow-capped mountains surrounding the lake are wonderful to behold.

Unlike most parts of NZ, most shops in Queenstown remain open at night. Not 6pm closing there. Why close when there's tourist money to be made?

The one real downside is that it's an expensive place. Even bread is expensive!




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post May 29 2009, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(fantagero @ May 28 2009, 12:27 PM)
ehm bcoz i'm thinking to do photog trip.
so mostly taking photos.

so, afraid that since the daytime is shorter, i might end up in backpackers early and spend most of the night in accomodation sweat.gif
and planning to visit milford too
at the moment in CH, always mendung and raining. so afraid that later in in july, (my trip probably around 1-7th), raining too. so cant take photos.

plus considering to go to palmy at the same time because of the bersatu games sweat.gif

thanks for the input anyway. plz share more tongue.gif
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I agree that July is probably not the ideal time to travel in NZ. August/September would probably be better. That being said, winter has its own beauty. Though if you plan to drive, please be very careful. Black ice is dangerous, especially with people unused to wintry conditions like Malaysians.

For nice photo opportunities, go to Deer Park Heights (some Lord of the Rings scenes were shot there). The lakeside area in Queenstown proper is also very nice. If you have time, it's worth paying a visit to Wanaka and Arrowtown.

Milford Sound is beautiful. But you have to take a cruise (quite expensive) or you'll see next to nothing. If you're lucky, dolphins will come and follow your boat. There's also other wildlife to be seen.

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post Jun 11 2009, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(sE_vIxEn @ Jun 11 2009, 12:18 AM)
i am coming to NZ to study mass communication. public relations to be exact. i think it's UNITEC and AUT's expertise, right? anyway, it wasn't a forced decision based on how much surchage i needed to pay. i chose UNITEC because it sounds promising, what with the different education approach and more practical based education. however i'd love to hear feedback from someone who experienced it firsthand, if you please? biggrin.gif
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Ah right then. The earlier comment about the surcharge was misleading.

I can't advise you on mass comm, since I know nothing about it. I also have not studied at either institution.

Some people are picky over rankings and whether they attend a polytech (Unitech) vs a university (AUT) - you just need to read the countless questions about "which is the best uni for...".
If you don't mind, I'll say go to which ever institution provides a course that suits you best. You seem to have done your research, so good on you. At the end of the day, you are the one who will be studying so make sure the course you pick suits you. smile.gif

Unitec is in west Auckland. I believe its buildings/grounds are a former hospital. Definitely has a nicer campus than AUT, which is right smack in the middle of the city.

Sorry I'm not of much help.

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post Jun 14 2009, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(sE_vIxEn @ Jun 11 2009, 11:13 PM)
when you say some people, are you referring to the local NZers themselves, or are you talking about Malaysians? i know Malaysians definitely have something against anything lower than a 'uni', what with the superiority mindset bred into our brains since young (ie. Taylors offer better than cheap colleges like TARC etc), but i tend to think that NZers shouldn't have anything against polytechnic graduates, or do they? i've read several articles by their national publication, they say that UNITEC has a unique standing on it's own in the hearts of the Kiwis. i can't be sure how to translate that, being an outsider who has yet to experience nuts. unsure.gif

thanks for voicing out my exact concern, as per bolded above. actually i believe all institutions are capable of producing good students. which is why i am not fussed over the whole 'who is the best' title. (wouldn't mind if someone knows and wants to share though! tongue.gif)

It's really the whole 'poly' and 'uni' thing that bothers me. but i consistently reminded myself that UNITEC is offering me a degree from a valid tertiary institution, and that's what matters most.

and you're right, it was an abandoned hospital and i know AUT is based on several high rises. the views of UNITEC Google Earth has to offer took my breath away.

i'm extremely grateful that someone who has already experienced NZ himself willing to share with me his views (constructive ones, that is). thanks so much wornbook. biggrin.gif
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Both Malaysians and Kiwis - there're elitists everywhere. Though I do think Kiwis are generally more egalitarian and less elitist. It's partly a reaction against the British class system (most of the early migrants came from the UK). It is also partly cos in a small country, competition is less stiff, so there's less need to grab every advantage possible (compare it to China for example, where there is a hug difference between Tsinghua Uni and some unknown forestry college from Yunnan).

I can also understand the Malaysian mentality, because if people pay huge international student fees, it's natural they want the best outcome. If there's a better option, why not go for it?

I think there is some merit in the poly vs uni thing, but it is course specific. For example, engineering - many polytech graduates do 'upgrade' Masters at Uni of Auckland after graduation. I find universities are generally better for the more academic, 'traditional' courses and polytech for the more vocational, hands on courses. I don't know much about mass comm, so I can't comment on it.

And of course, at the end of the day, the most important factor is the student. If you are motivated and inspired, you will do well. And if Unitec's style of teaching suits you better, it should help with the motivation aspect. That's why I think, if it suits you, go for it.

If job prospects are what's worrying you - don't. Kiwis don't care as much about the uni/degree/grades, but more about work and other experiences. I know a few polytech grads who are happily employed in various industries in NZ. If you want to secure a job in NZ upon graduation, make sure you gain work experience while studying/during the holidays. Preferably in a related field, but if not, anything will do. Even flipping burgers in McDonald's is valued in NZ.

Anyway, if you really want to be elitist, AUT isn't quite on the same level as Uni of Auckland. But then, we could then say why come to NZ? Go to Australia instead since Uni of Melbourne ranks higher. And so on, and so on... smile.gif Out of curiosity, what other institutions in NZ offer mass comm?

I seem to be rambling on... now sure if I even answered your question.

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post Jun 19 2009, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(sE_vIxEn @ Jun 15 2009, 05:38 PM)
i have a lecturer whose wife is teaching in Taylors and they did some comparisons. turns out Taylors have spanking new and clean facilities whilst TARC ones are worn out and old. which i don't really mind. most of my mates work on their own laptops and i think what TARC offered is decent enough. except for the horrendous toilets! tongue.gif
happy belated birthday dude! thanks for having the heart to reply! biggrin.gif

did you just mention you have friends studying in UNITEC? omg i would love their contacts and chat up a little on the place. is that possible? NZ is very unlike Australia, where you can get firsthand experience from any Tom d*** Harry. 8/10 of people consider Australia without even thinking! i wonder why... it really feels like the entire Malaysian population is crazy about Australia. laugh.gif in fact, i was one myself, before my friend told me about the place, and i finally gave some serious thought about it.
hey dude please do ramble on, i really do appreciate talking with you all. biggrin.gif

i agree about the less competition part. i heard Kiwis are very laid back, much unlike the rest of the world, fighting to be the first, competing relentlessly... it can get a bit tiresome to be honest. but it's funny, though. i have come across several hate sites for NZ where the locals themselves condemn the place. wtf? unsure.gif

i have already experienced the so-called academic approach that TARC offered. my school has been trying very hard to fight for 60% coursework - 40% exams scale, but unfortunately the old hags in TARC have too much dignity up in their noses to consider it since they think exams are always the most important. in the end, students like us work very hard for our assignments, and only left with little time to study up for exams that always seem impossible to score. it's easy to pass but never easy to excel as a mass communication student. you need to stand out - not provide the most 'accurate' answer in exams. and how do you prove you're outstanding in an exam where there is no definite answer and no room to show off your creativity?

so it's a little challenge for myself to try out a polytechnic after the things i've been through in an academic-focused learning environment.

i am also relieved to hear about the job prospects issue. frankly Malaysians have gone a bit too far with the elitist mindset that all the jobs we dy eem 'low class' are all now handled by immigrants, which are now causing problems to our country. our own people have too much dignity to do anything lower than what they have studied for. there was a brief whirlwind regarding the overwhelming amount of immigrants we have in the Malaysian news, isn't it?

i'd definitely try and expand my horizons in NZ, have plans to stay there... make full use of the 2 year visa they offer to students after they graduate... biggrin.gif

and to answer you, University of Auckland, Massey University, University of Canterbury, AUT, UNITEC, and some other lesser known polytechnics.

reason why i didn't consider the first 3 is because they do not offer Public Relations. and frankly, the course syllabus is so dead-on academic, i already can feel a wave of nausea sink in. they'll be forcing you to read 1000001 year-old scholarly articles by some old fart, which i don't think will help much in the creative industry.

again, dude, thanks so much for the advice! biggrin.gif
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It's dudette. No Y chromosome. tongue.gif

Kiwis are a funny bunch. They can be fiercely patriotic and proud to be Kiwi but at the same time, they can be very negative about everything to do with NZ. They mock the British (Poms) and at the same time dream about going there on their OEs (overseas experience). They complain lots, though frankly, they're much better off than so many people. You see the newspapers often referring to Kiwis as a pessimistic lot.

The laidback thing is really good. On the other hand, it can get really annoying when you want something done and need some action. "She'll be right" - the typical Kiwi statement that reflects the attitude - can be infuriating sometimes. Other times, it's a reality check that there's no need to stress yourself out over minor matters.

NZ has many faults, but it has many positives as well. Don't expect too much, but at the same time, have an open mind and enjoy the experience. Expanding horizons - that's the right attitude. rclxms.gif

Is it a 2 year visa now? It used to be 1 year.

It really does sound like a vocational, non-academic course is right for you. I personally lean towards the more academic side of things, cos I find it interesting. But I can definitely see why many people are just not interested in "1000001 year-old scholarly articles by some old fart". LOL.

It's great to see you've done your research and know what you want. It might be a tad early to call, but based on your attitude, I think you'll be successful and have a great time in NZ. You don't know how rare you are - most people just ask "which uni is the best for this course?" or "which degree can earn more?". Sigh.

I guess I was lucky though. My course (law) was really academic and exam-based (normally 80%) but at least the lecturers didn't stick to a strict marking criteria. Original ideas/discussions were valued and rewarded with top marks. Some people say the lack of the criteria results in subjective marking, but there was no feeling of injustice when results came out.
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QUOTE(sE_vIxEn @ Jun 22 2009, 06:46 PM)
cool, same here. no 'Y'. blush.gif

i nearly broke down when i went through a forum that had all Kiwis themselves cursing their tiny island to bits. at that point i was nearly on the verge of canceling my plans till i was able to think with a level-head. just like this forum, which Malaysian would praise their own country? we're full of complaints ourselves, so i guess Kiwis and M'sians are equal on this matter. i shall rest my case and not judge NZ by that dreadful forum. *makes a mental note not to be overly creative with using Google*

thanks for the praise, but i think hold on to that first. i seriously dunno what i'm expecting there, not much back-up support or word-of-mouth from people's experiences of the place (which is very unlike Australia *pouts*) other than bright flashy websites illustrating how beautiful NZ is. like i haven't heard of that before! lol. guess what i can do now is just to take the plunge and have fun! so now that i've made my decision (just emailed over my final bit of results to the agent), i should really work down a list of 'to-dos' and get myself prepared. but you said don't expect too much... hmm.gif i certainly hope NZ wouldn't fall below my expected standard...

now! some info about you, where did you get your law degree from? biggrin.gif are you still in NZ or are you back here already? and i can really relate the the marking scheme thing... sometimes these things are just too subjective to be determined just by a 'score' given by a lecturer. and it's your luck! if you meet with an old windbag, be sure your originality will go to the drain... they tend to abide by strict codes and ethics.

i've did a bit of scouring this thread, seems that you mentioned the job prospect there sucks? and we should be prepared to do low-waged jobs like flipping burgers before hopping onto something more rewarding? i don't mind flipping burgers while studying but if i were to continue that 2 years after i graduate, that'd be dreadful. shocking.gif i have my sights on the beauty industry... NZ is no NYC nor London nor Italy, but i believe this sort of industry thrives on everywhere that has modern and fashion-conscious people. or any vain women in short. laugh.gif
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http://www.expatexposed.com/

It's my favourite entertainment reading these days. Some of those complains can be really silly. Btw, they're mainly immigrants to NZ from countries like US, Canada, England...

To be fair though, a lot of their complains are based on fact - the housing is poor, job opportunities limited, salaries low (compared to Aus, US etc, but high compared to Malaysia), politicians are stupid (but whose aren't?), and the people can be really provincial and racist. It can be quite boring too.

But for the positives - the air is clean, the people more considerate/polite, law and order is generally respected, traffic good (even the shocking Southern Motorway is way better than KL traffic), and the pace of life slower/less stressful. All this in comparison to Malaysia of course... can't speak for other countries. If you love scenery and the great outdoors, NZ is the place for you. If you like city living and a happening life, don't come here.

Fact is, it's not for everyone.

Personally for me, I don't intend to live here for life. Gain a few years work experience and I'll hopefully go off to see the world. Or maybe back to Bolehland.

Job opportunities are limited because the market is so small. As for low level jobs, it depends on the person... From what I see, people who do low level jobs while studying have a far better chance of a graduate job upon graduation. Unless you're doing an Arts degree. Generalizing of course. It's also heavily dependent on fields - engineers and doctors don't seem to have problems finding jobs. Commerce is another thing. Surprisingly, IT too, despite the govt's claim that there's a shortage of skilled IT people.

I won't lie to you - being a foreigner, it won't be easy for you to get a 'proper' job upon graduation. There's this fear you won't fit into the company culture or you can't speak English. Also, many jobs aren't advertised - people are recruited internally or thru word of mouth. That's why I advised you to do part time work to help build the CV. Employers will be less nervous once they find you have worked and can fit into the NZ work culture, whatever that is.

I did my degree in Otago. Fun place with lots of crazy Kiwis. Took me quite a while to find a job too. Law is a tough field though, with an even stronger old boy network.
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Jul 10 2009, 04:58 PM)
u sure???
coz i think last year colder..
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In Auckland, it was the coldest May and June in 50 years.

In parts of the country, it has been the coldest May/June ever.
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QUOTE(huix @ Jul 26 2009, 08:59 PM)
it is so cold in this few days. cant tahan until go and buy a electrical blanket.
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Don't want to rain on your parade, but be careful with the electric blanket. It's a real fire hazard. It's advisable not to sleep with it on. Cos when you sleep, you move and when you move, the electric blanket moves. That might cause the wires to break and ... FIRE!
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QUOTE(fantagero @ Jul 29 2009, 05:18 AM)
ehmm i used the blanket for more than 3 months already.
thank god nothing happen.
if u tied the blanket really careful. the balnket wont move la.
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Most of the time it'll be fine, but it's strictly a "use at your own risk" thing.

That's a Fire Department warning btw.

QUOTE(haya @ Jul 31 2009, 09:06 PM)
Some numbers from University of Auckland:

1300 students entered the LLB program in 2008.

Come semester 2 2009, only around 390 are left.

The problem is that is you are in that 910, what are you going to do? You've sunk in about NZ$22,000 for the first year, and you can't continue into 2nd year law. What next?


Its not too bad for domestic students, but I do not think many parents in Malaysia will be too happy with their son/daughter leaving to read law and ending up as (say) an Accountant. If you wanted to be an accountant why not do so to start off with.

Granted, there is the other option of starting off with a double degree, and if things do not go according to plan, there is (depending on what the other half is) still another option. However, a double degree is VERY difficult. Law as a single discipline is hard enough.

"it is easy to enter year 2 as long as you study hard and have the passion"? Yes and no. The question is, are you willing to take the risk, with the odds not in your favor?
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I mostly agree. Just 2 things:

1) I've been given the impression lately that it is easier for international students to get into 2nd year. I guess it makes sense, cos it's also easier for them to get into dentistry and medicine. After all, they're bringing in money right?

Don't quote me on that though. I recommend checking with the unis and asking about international student entry.

2) I won't call a double degree "VERY difficult". Most students who make it to 2nd year law are of a certain calibre. At a risk of appearing arrogant, we generally find the 2nd degree pretty easy by comparison (unless it's a pure science or engineering, which is rare). It's really a case of work hard for law, cruise with good (or much better) grades for Arts/Commerce.


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