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post Jul 13 2017, 02:29 AM

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Just found out bout this thread. I have 2 units on Gigawatt btw tongue.gif and also bought another unit from a friend of mine. He is running a mini-mining facility so I thought I'd show some support.

I'm looking into Dash currently, Masternodes are out of my reach so I'm considering to mine instead. The problem is it doesn't look profitable at all compared to let's say LTC.

@raymann you have any recommendation on Dash or Monero mining?
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post Jul 13 2017, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(Leon be here now @ Jul 13 2017, 11:20 AM)
Is that what you thought I said, why dont you try reading it again?

My conclusion after spending a day reading is seems legit, but also too good to be true, but still legit
I was going to buy 2 unit L3+ last weekend, and let gigawatt host one, while I host the other one myself, hedging my bets.

Then my mining friend convinced me to host it all myself as we have the technical know how and location to do so, as I can get gigawatt to host it for me at a later time down the road, assuming I can rent/buy their WTT tokens. I dont mind paying extra for rent or buying WTT at US2 when the time comes, that the price for me waiting and see.
My friends L3+ will be arriving very shortly as he order months ago, setting up L3+ will be a piece of cake compare to GPU rig.
His associates are also going to by more L3+ in the near future, if for any reason I dont want to use my L3+ I should be able to sell it easily, may even Jack the price up a bit.
No one is perfect yah

I did forget about the PSU and delivery but that is still around 5.6 - 5 LTC extra, in all honestly I would not mind paying that.

Never claim I was smart, only claim I had more options then other people, I weigh my options and decide.

I asked my friends about repairs times, there are fast shipments methods to and from China, and we are prepare to take the risk.
Also with gigawatt you cant remote in to your rig, there is no way in knowing if they are oc'ing your rig and paying you the normal hasrate, or tell you that your rig is broken when it actual fact its not, or what if my rig got burn down in one of the pods they compensate? some skepticism is healthy

But like I said I have the technical know how and location to host it, these are my options, just feel safer if the I can have full control of my equipment.
I understand some people dont have accesses to spare/free rental property, also dont have the technical know how to maintain a rig, likes hassle free turn key mining experience, cloud mining suits them as its their ONLY option into mining, and it usually cost more but what choice do they have?

Like I said earlier I do think gigawatt is legit, and will most probably get them to host my rigs in the future, but for now my current options are explains above.

Oh one last thing that was strange about gigawatt, I think over the weekend I remember seeing their stocks are now push back to October, and since I saw bitmains website was cheaper and FASTER , still says September at the time I ordered, that is also a major major factor in my decision in hosting it myself.
Then recently gigawatt has updated their website and says its back to September, not sure whats happening there, creating some kind of panic buy?
Their Tokens are not all sold yet, I can always buy before it finishes, but with L3+ I dont have that option.

Time will tell with gigawatt, would love for them to host my rigs down the line when its no longer profitable hosting it myself as Malaysia electricity bill is high.
Who know by then maybe a L4 may be in the market, but at least by then every one will have a better feel about gigawatt.

Its all about options, claiming one option is superior then another option when they have no choice in options, is kind of like talking with an born and bread Christians vs Atheist
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I was actually going to applaud you for posting a detailed and thorough explanation of your circumstances. But that comparison you made at the end about Christians and Atheists is unnecessary and, in all honestly, was kind of low. Besides, I fail to see any correlation it has with the point that you're trying to make. Do explain.

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post Jul 13 2017, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(Leon be here now @ Jul 13 2017, 05:05 PM)
Sorry if I offend any Atheists / Christians out there.
Yeh religion is a touchy issue, you can swap it out with born bread Muslim vs Free Thinker as an option.
And apologist in advance if I offend any Free Thinker / Muslim  out here too.

My thinking at the time was my personal experience born and bread Religion has been raised one way under their circumstance,
tens to be staunch on their view, their religion is the right religion etc...
and a Atheists / Free thinker has the ability to choose to be to remain as they are or to get involved in a particular religion if they choose.

Let me try to find another analogy:

Its like saying
Person A only has Malaysian passport, and can only work and live in Malaysia.
Person B has Malaysian passport, and also Singapore PR, Person B can live/work in both countries as they choose.

But then Person A keeps saying, how good Malaysia is compared to Singapore, and all the benefits that Malaysia has compared to Singapore
To a degree they start to mock Person B for living/working in Singapore.

In retrospect I should stay away from the religion topic, or even this Malaysia vs Singapore stuff.

As I have already explained I have options, and there are many ways to mine, all comes with pros and cons.
No single way is the right or better way.
And people should respect that.
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And that's why I'm saying that your analogy is flawed.

My understanding of what you were trying to say is - those who do not have the luxury of choice should not claim superiority over the those who have, correct? If we apply that that argument to your analogy, then what you're then saying is that born and bred Christians do not have the choices that Atheists do, and hence should not claim that they are more superior than the latter. I don't know about you, but as far as I know, there was and is always a choice between whether you want to exercise your Christian faith or not, same goes for most other religions. And that works the same way for Atheists, no? So how can you justify that your analogy is correct when the fundamentals are flawed, to begin with. The born and bred Christians, as you may call them, have as much of a choice as the Atheists do, be it personally or legally. In fact, if you would've done proper research, most Atheists now are either once born Christians or had Christian heritages. So to say, that Christians don't have a choice? That's not so much being ignorant as being offensive.

tl;dr - not an apple to apple comparison. But if you claim that it is, then it would be offensive, to say the least.

Disclaimer: Jack2 and I don't have the best relationship on LYF, so I'm definitely not writing these to spite you, or to defend him whatsoever.

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post Jul 13 2017, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 13 2017, 06:30 PM)
Must thanks to raynman who introduced this and me who did the analysys.
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Actually I think denimblue introduced it. But no doubt it was Raymann that ppl trusted rclxms.gif

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post Jul 13 2017, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(denimblue @ Jul 13 2017, 06:42 PM)
But raynman PMed me about his HashNest subscription before anybody else.
I actually heard about it from him first.  biggrin.gif
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Oh, well my mistake for not knowing then bangwall.gif

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post Jul 13 2017, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(Leon be here now @ Jul 13 2017, 06:48 PM)
Yes true my analogy with religion is flawed, and I apologist if I offend any Atheist/Freethinkers/Christians/Muslims

Guess I should just stick with my later statement"

"I have options, and there are many ways to mine, all comes with pros and cons.
No single way is the right or better way.
And people should respect that"

lol, with Jack2/dc_talkz/Leon, no need to explain, and I feel you man.
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No problem mate, I appreciate your humility to accept what is right or wrong. Apart from the analogy, I actually agree with everything else you said. As for jack2, just ignore him as he is a troll by nature. He isn't so bad once you get used to his Chinaman attitude though. sweat.gif
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post Jul 14 2017, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(denimblue @ Jul 14 2017, 11:43 AM)
I am really surprised that up to now, not even one person here proclaimed that Genesis, Hashflare, GigaWatt and now HashNest are scams or ponzi schemes. biggrin.gif
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They are ponzi schemes! There I've said it. Now please, nobody buy into any of these and let me be the only fool to dump my money. Thank you tongue.gif
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post Jul 14 2017, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(Flame Haze @ Jul 14 2017, 06:46 PM)
Bloody shop next to me the lady every day sing karaoke full volume, time to counter back laugh.gif
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Can you start a mini Gigawatt in your house? I send mine to your place to host. Pay you with Flame tokens. How does that sound? rclxms.gif
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post Jul 14 2017, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 14 2017, 10:55 PM)
raynman

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0.33 LTC per day?
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post Jul 15 2017, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(denimblue @ Jul 14 2017, 11:43 PM)
According to the litecoin mining calculator, it is 0.18 LTC per day for 100 MH/s (jack2) and 0.36 per day for 200 MH/s (raynman).
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Ya that's why I asked because I saw 0.33 payout so I was confused
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post Jul 15 2017, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(denimblue @ Jul 15 2017, 12:15 AM)
The 0.33 LTC is jack2's Total ACCUMULATED payout since his contract was activated.

It is NOT his DAILY payout.
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I see. Thanks for clarifying smile.gif
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post Jul 15 2017, 12:53 PM

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This might be an unpopular opinion but personally, I feel that it is bad timing to be dumping all your resources into Hashnest, or any other cloud mining right now. Don't get me wrong though, I am totally for Hashnest, in fact, it is the only cloud mining that I'd invest in and I plan to in future. The thing is, with the current crash, it is only a matter of time until the market recovers (most likely after August 1st, or a few days before). And when that happens, you would not want most of your funds to be lying on mining contracts. The percentages of return would be nowhere close to the return you will be getting if, for example, you have your money parked at ETH, or ANS, or any of the top 15 coins. Obviously, there is no proven data that this will definitely happen, but if you're a believer in the potential of crypto like I am, you ought to believe that it will recover. Personally, I feel the best time to invest is after the recovery but hey, that's just me. Of course, you could also sell all your mining contracts right before market recovery and dump the money back into cryptos to have the best of both worlds (Hashest income and market recovery), provided that you can time it correctly.

Sorry if this might come as a FUD, I'm not trying to throw cold water here. Just staying objective. Hashnest is a very good investment nonetheless, if you're looking long term and wants to have peace of mind with passive incomes, by all means..

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post Jul 15 2017, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(denimblue @ Jul 15 2017, 01:17 PM)
You are thinking like a trader, but we are miners first. Generating coins is our first priority, not trading. smile.gif
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I believe that it is everyone's priority to make money. I am not against either and so long that I can maximize profits, I'll adopt any methods, given that they are legal of course. I'm invested in mining too by the way. All this talks about mining vs trading is a bit childish don't you think? Unless of course, you see yourself as a mining Jedi above all else, then I'll gladly rest my case bruce.gif rclxms.gif


QUOTE(denimblue @ Jul 15 2017, 01:52 PM)
Don't forget mining contracts are at least one year.
Most of us hold 2-year and lifetime contracts.
It is inevitable that we will be caught in a cyclical bear market.
The thing is, we didn't BUY coins to sell.
We GENERATE coins that we can hold until the bear hibernates, and the bull takes over.  smile.gif
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And you basically just reiterated what I've said earlier. A little paradoxical to your earlier reply I must say.

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post Jul 15 2017, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(raynman @ Jul 15 2017, 01:58 PM)
Haha! A guy with a trading mindset will ask himself

"Should I buy the mining contract now or should I buy it 3 months later?".

In the end, he will never buy. Scared this scared that. laugh.gif
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You of all people should know I've already invested into Gigawatt. 2 units there and another unit with my friend hosting for me. That's 3 units in total. So your generalization is quite condescending. In any case, I knew that I would receive some flak for my comments, but if this is going to be a healthy thread, wouldn't some objectivity be practical? All I see is shilling, nobody bothers to mention the risks involved or even what are the cons.

There are obviously many newbies coming into mining and you'd be surprised that some of those who have bought the mining contract don't even know what wallet to use. Again, I'm reiterating. I'm not against mining! If you find my comment offensive, by all means, feel free to delete them or let me know and I'll remove the contents. I come in peace~ icon_question.gif
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post Jul 15 2017, 02:56 PM

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Just wondering how legit is Nicehash?

https://www.nicehash.com/index.jsp
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post Jul 15 2017, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(denimblue @ Jul 15 2017, 03:02 PM)
Try it out and let us know please. smile.gif
Just like what raynman do. He invest first before recommending to others.
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I might. When the timing is right and after I research more into the Algorithms. I don't even know what to buy to mine what lol.
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post Jul 15 2017, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(denimblue @ Jul 15 2017, 03:11 PM)
That is so cute!  smile.gif
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oh yah? how so? hmm.gif
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post Jul 15 2017, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(raynman @ Jul 15 2017, 03:16 PM)
Because you said you didn't even know what to buy!  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(denimblue @ Jul 15 2017, 03:17 PM)
You don't seem to know what you are getting into. smile.gif
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Haha. So this is how it is going to be huh? One post about differing opinions and all of the sudden I'm public enemy No.1. C'mmon guys, was I intentionally picking on you? I've said countless times that I'm not against mining. And why do mining and trading have to be distinct from each other? You guys don't trade?
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post Jul 15 2017, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(raynman @ Jul 15 2017, 04:10 PM)
Frankly speaking, I would prefer to visit GigaWatt in Washington State once my L3+ miners are deployed for mining.

Just to make sure they work properly and get enough cooling.

My investment in HashNest is too small to justify making a trip to Beijing.  laugh.gif
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I might be going there somewhere end of this year or early next year. So happen my fiancé has a conference coming up in Seattle, so I'll try to arrange for a visit to Gigawatt if possible. If I get any info into the operation of the facility I'll share them here
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post Jul 15 2017, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(raynman @ Jul 15 2017, 04:44 PM)
That would be great! I would probably pay a visit end of this year though. See my schedule how....
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Keep me updated on your dates, if we happen to be there around the same time we could maybe pay a visit to the facility together. That's so much better than going to some boring conference. smile.gif

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