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post Sep 29 2017, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(CloudDave @ Sep 29 2017, 04:16 PM)
Ahhhh, thanks! Also I am going in late November so I edited my post properly. In this case it's advisable to have a look around Osaka, explore and then go to Kyoto before returning to Osaka before flying off?
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Late November? Pretty cold ya, coz entering winter ady. And Kyoto-Osaka's autumn is earlier than Tokyo meaning leaves will start to turn colour from end Sept/ early Oct onwards I believe. So by end Nov it's not likely to see much autumn foliage if any still remains. Manage expectation ya biggrin.gif

Yes suggest you take a look at Osaka and then move to Kyoto.
Or, you can travel straight to Kyoto furst and then enjoy last 2-3 days in Osaka before flying off. I feel that the 2nd option will be less hectic for you two as it's towards the end of the trip and you can relax in the last 2-3 days without having to move (pack and then to airport).

Will recommend the Aquarium in Osaka - it's one of the biggest aquarium in Asia and friend told me it's very enjoyable. He could spend a whole day there. And no, it's not like he's a sea creature fanatic laugh.gif

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post Sep 29 2017, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(CloudDave @ Sep 29 2017, 05:19 PM)
Oooooh so many nice recommendations! Thanks a lot for the quick responses guys. Looks like many experienced travelers here. As for the time I guess it can't be helped since the wife is a teacher and I can only go during school holidays.

Also, I'm a huuuuuuuuuuge fan of aquariums so yes I will be ogling it for almost the whole day. Maybe can pacify the wife with shopping smile.gif And yes I read about the cup noodle museum too. Will definitely pay a visit.

Since it's going to be quite cool by the time I get there is it advisable to rent bicycles? Or buy the public transport ticket instead? Is Malaysian 2k enough for spending money there?
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Hehhhhhhh I agree with Chinti it's cold so biking will freeze you. But I also beg to differ on the reason that it's something really fun/ nice to do biggrin.gif you can Google for recommended bike trail/ road. Optionally, pay abit for cycling tour hehe http://www.kctp.net/pc/en/

In my upcoming trip I'll try to squeeze in a bike experience (half a day or a couple of hours thing) but I think one of our friend can't cycle, will see how to plan it. Otherwise, it's definitely a fun thing to do. You can always wear a mask to cover your face from the cold hahahahaha.

QUOTE(CloudDave @ Sep 29 2017, 05:44 PM)
Sweet! I'll get a day pass then. Also after googling I see that most stuff in Kyoto is walking distance also. Might as well enjoy the walk since it'll be cool weather. 👍

2k per person of course. If never use can just convert back or keep for next time right? Obviously I'm looking for a decent budget trip but not too much to be uncomfortable.

The only thing that worries me is not having enough since it's usually cash terms. Otherwise I'm more comfortable using CC.
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Yep Japan is really convenient, a lot of attractions are within walking distance. All you need is WIFI or 4G to get you going through the Google map.

I always prefer to do the calculation in Yen to show the budget. RM2,000 per pax is equivalent to around 50,000yen per pax (for the sake of convenience let's assume the exchange rate is x4). For 7 days right?

Expenses
- You're planning to go Aquarium - the kaiyukan's entrance fee is 2,000yen.
- Noodle museum entrance fee is FREE, but if you're going to the Chicken Cup Factory, the entrance fee for adult is 500yen (as shared online)
- Other entrance fees (just in case) 2,500yen
- Set aside 3,000yen for airport transfer (airport to hotel and back)

50,000yen - 8,000yen (the above entrance fees), balance = 42,000yen

42,000/7 days = budget of 6,000yen per day.

Per day estimated cost
- Put aside min 1,200yen for transport per day.
- Breakfast set @ cafe (eg Doutor) may cost you around 500yen
- Lunch @ assuming ard 1,000yen
- Dinner @ assuming ard 1,500yen

TOTAL: 4,200yen for transport + meal
BALANCE: 1,800yen for any shopping, tea time or brunch in a day.

It is sufficient if you don't go crazy on shopping icon_rolleyes.gif ...you and your wife will know your own spending habit better. Buying stuffs in Japan is not cheap ya, and I will say for sure that first time to Japan can be very tempting and overwhelming. If you bring too little, you'll feel restrained and can't buy this or that, or have to constantly keep in check of your money.

My suggestion - each of you bring at least RM3k to make space for some shopping. Otherwise, bring your RM4k for 2 pax, but bring some "emergency" cash of say, around RM2k and use it when you kinda run low on cash. You can swipe card in large boutiques, malls etc but generally it's cash-based so make sure you have cash with you and not over reliant on cards.

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post Oct 2 2017, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(Crytek @ Sep 29 2017, 11:24 PM)
You sure kyoto-osaka autumn starts late sept-early oct? So far i googled its end oct-early nov. Late sept-early oct autumn is normally nothern area
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そうそう、my bad! Got it mixed up with other regions.
Nov will be the ideal time for Kansai region if it's momiji.
https://koyo.walkerplus.com/list/ar0726/

The celebration to mark the start of autumn are held in October though, so if you're there around that time, it's worth going to these matsuri or event in Kyoto:
http://www.jalan.net/event/cit_261010000/?screenId=OUW2401
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QUOTE(Vinkoi_123 @ Oct 2 2017, 12:29 PM)
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You'll get more advice from the others who are experienced about rental rates and shinkansen.
However, shinkansen you can easily check through website. So I'll suggest you look up on that.

In terms of Tokyo, what I can share:
1. If you drive, be ready to pay for parking fees and toll. Check whether your Hotel offers free parking (or min fee parking). AirBnB doesn't provide parking spaces so you'll have to look around for cheap parking. My sensei said in Ginza area, the public parking costs appx 1,000yen (that's plus minus RM40) for an hour or so.

But no doubt, driving around will give you and your children the necessary comfort and freedom of travelling.

2. Going around by subway/ bus is the most convenient way in Tokyo. It's a lot less costly. But at the same time crowded and busy. With only 2 of you vs 4 kids, do take good care of them and make sure they don't run around on their own. For some interesting reason, I have not seen any noisy children in the train. As though they have been pre-programmed with manners, even the children are usually quiet in the subway/ bus. Sometimes they ask questions and talk to their parents or friends but I have never seen screaming or crying kids in public transport (or maybe I was lucky enough not to see any?).

Parents discipline their kids about eating or drinking in the subway. I have personally seen a father told his son (maybe 3-4 years old?) that he cannot eat in the subway. And then the kid just held his lollipop quietly.

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post Oct 3 2017, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Oct 2 2017, 11:37 PM)
oh well, i have stroller and baby. my 鬼太郎茶屋 & Ghibli Museum trip need to ride bus. i think weekday not as crowded as weekend.. hopefully biggrin.gif
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I went on a weekday too - a Monday on top of that - but there was still a lot of people. Most people want the morning/ earliest slot. So I suggest you take the later slots to avoid crowd, such as the 2pm slot. 4pm is a bit late as they close at 6pm.

Buy your tickets once your flight is confirmed. The Ghibli tickets run out pretty fast so don't purchase them last minute cool2.gif no photos inside, and when you're hungry there's a cafe.
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post Oct 3 2017, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(cloudwan0 @ Oct 3 2017, 02:54 PM)
Japan everywhere also got English
Language will not be a problem
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Not really ya. Major attractions yes, but not exactly 'everywhere'.
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post Oct 3 2017, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(cloudwan0 @ Oct 3 2017, 03:04 PM)
I mean the train station and road direction

I actually quite surprise,
once I drove in a small village (out of tourist location), go in a izakaya, they got English menu
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Train station will mainly have the major attractions stated on the board, and from there follow the Exit to get out. After that you're pretty much on your own.
On and off, some izakayas do have English menu but a lot still goes without English menu.

Not just izakaya but quite a number of ramen places and restaurants are in nihongo.

QUOTE(skydrake @ Oct 3 2017, 03:17 PM)
glad u say it will be fine.. haha
I will fold my stroller for all bus ride, easy to carry and also save space for others.
my ghibli ticket is Wednesday 4PM slots, noon time I went to 鬼太郎茶屋 then ride bus from here to ghibli. yeah, the online tickets runs out extremely fast.. i never tot it will run out within 10 hours from midnight 10th each month, i never have chance to purchase the date i wants and force to push to wednesday 4pm.. however they said online tickets is limited and the rest they reserve for u to purchase at lawson which what I heard.
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Hahahaha share your experience on 鬼太郎茶屋, the placed looked so interesting. I watched Kitaro back in the days but did not follow the series closely.

Sad to say, there are also a lot of scalpers around, taking advantage of the online system. So the likelihood that the 11am tickets were bought and re-sold is not surprising to say the least. 4pm should be fine. Be there by 3.30pm to queue to get in. If you planned to arrive even earlier, you can enjoy a stroll at the Inokashira Park which is right next to Ghibli museum. There's a lake at the park as well.

Since you're there, consider making a trip to Kichijoji. It's about 15min away from Ghibli by bus, and there's a shopping area - Kichijoji SUN ROAD Shopping Street.
Kichijoji Sun Road Shopping Street

Kichijoji also has a zoo biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(skydrake @ Oct 3 2017, 04:30 PM)
blink.gif oh wow! lucky i manage to buy it online.
yup, I will share photos 鬼太郎茶屋 and other places and some random live streams daily at my daughter fb page *link on my signature below*

thx for recommending Kichijoji SUN ROAD Shopping Street which is near to Ghibli, I can have my dinner there before go home.  thumbup.gif
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No problem! Glad to be of help. Kichijoji is a small, friendly neighbourhood that apparently was voted as the ideal place to stay in (recently). With this, I'm sure it's a friendly place. Have fun!

QUOTE(Vinkoi_123 @ Oct 3 2017, 04:55 PM)
Thanks for the reply, yes i read somewhere that the parking fees is very expensive hence i m planning to rent one way from osaka/kyoto to Tokyo and drop the vehicle once i reach Tokyo as i check online this option is available.

So, we can't eat/drink in the subway? blink.gif thx for tips, i m not aware of it..
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Haha in Japan, several common things you will observe:

1. No eating/ drinking in the subway. No talking on the phone is allowed, nor talking loudly in the subway as well.

2. No eating/ drinking along the street or as you walk. While you'll notice some youngsters do it, generally it's frowned upon.
Unless you're in a festival, then that's fine.

*Rule of thumb - stay in front of the store (or beside) and finish your snack or drink before moving on. The store usually have a rubbish bin for you to throw trash. However, sometimes they don't have it. In cases like that, I usually hand the trash to the shop assistant laugh.gif

I often see guys at the vending machine finish their drink there, throw the can and then walk off.

3. Separating trash.
You'll see this everywhere on the street where there's a bin. There will be sections for plastic, paper, trash, bottles. The locals sometimes do it to the extent of peeling off the plastic label of a yoghurt drink's box (the box is paper) and place the label under plastic and the box in paper.

If you stay in AirBnB, you'll have to separate your trash. But if Hotel, I'm sure the housekeepers will take care of it. However, I still separate my trash in the Hotel by throwing in different plastic bags.

4. No smoking on the street.
There are designated smoking areas that look like a 'room' along the streets. If you need a puff, head there.
The total opposite of Malaysia and HK sweat.gif

5. Attire.
Generally (this is not a rule, but more of an observation) the locals dress well and the ladies/ girls dress modestly. They usually cover their shoulders rather than exposing their chest/ shoulders; so to see anyone wear spaghetti without an inner shirt is a little uncommon. Yes it's fine for foreigners to dress that way, they understand we're tourists.

6. Language.
Despite some forumers who may say no problem with language, that is often one of the challenge around. Yes you may get help from people, but it's not easy when everyone walks fast paced and when the young ones keep their earphones on. Not being able to communicate can sometimes turn into a fun experience but quite often, it may be frustrating trying to find your way.

Whenever you feel lost and needed help with direction, make sure to have your Google translate ready. And when you don't understand their reply, just keep a few words handy for direction (such as 'massugu for straight', 'magatte for turn', 'left (hidari), right (migi), front (ma-e), back (ushiro), beside (tonari) ' 'traffic light (shingo)' etc). The locals give very precise direction such as "turn right at the 4th traffic light"; so it would be good if you can understand some of things they try to convey ^__^

QUOTE(Lynixx @ Oct 3 2017, 05:21 PM)
i just bought 2 flight tickets to osaka for RM2400+ for 2 person with 20kg baggage included.

is that good deal?

and is Airbnb is recommended in osaka? please advise thanks.
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RM2,400+ via which airline? If AAX then I suppose it's the average price?

I have not heard of anything negative about airBnB anywhere in Japan. Even in Nagoya, I stayed in AirBnB.

However take note that there's always a risk when it comes to airBnB. The host may cancel anytime (for valid reasons, otherwise they can be banned) due to some circumstances.

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post Oct 4 2017, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 4 2017, 09:31 AM)
jakun, orang kampung mah
i orang kampung also when went to JP, u can clearly see everyone is standing on the left side...right side almost empty
follow lah...its VERY obvious in front of your eye already
go to ppl's country, adopt their culture
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Yeah!! Malaysians are so used to blocking the way. Even in shopping malls, a family of 3-4 or more, or a group of friends will easily block the whole walkway by walking together. Lack of consideration for others. And locally - we always walk as we like, in multiple directions.
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QUOTE(Lynixx @ Oct 4 2017, 11:23 AM)
yes is AAX,have stayed in osaka with airbnb before? if yes mind share the place?
nope,i always check expedia before booking flight tickets, among of them AA is the cheapest.

is just me and my gf 2 person,i have checked 6 days for RM1400+ total stay...consider good price?
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Nope not in Osaka, I have stayed in Tokyo and Nagoya AirBnB. But in Osaka, I will advice against staying in Hotel Sun Plaza. I repeat, advice against staying there. The rate is good and the place may seem fine from photos/ outside, but my friend had one hell of an experience there alongside with the other guests.

QUOTE(cZee @ Oct 4 2017, 11:33 AM)
This is very useful, thank you for sharing
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No problem. You'll observe a lot more there!

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QUOTE(jsc_tidus @ Oct 4 2017, 02:00 PM)
Bought tickets on the 31/3 - 6/4 next year to Tokyo, with my wife. I wonder if i'll be able to experience the cherry blossom season during that period, or maybe way too late.
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I was in Tokyo 2nd week of March back in 2016. Some trees have sprout a little.
You may get to see some sakura, but not likely to be full of flowers wink.gif better than nothing right.

QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Oct 4 2017, 02:32 PM)
So u suggest to finish tokyo area first, then after that taking train to Kyoto, then Osaka. Then flight back to Tokyo?

15 days in Tokyo, I do not think my wife wants that >.<

Ahhh dilemma. >.<

She said.... we can enjoy scenary in the train and also eat bento.  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  She such a freely gal.... wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif
My wife die die want to go USS Japan.... so..... >.<
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Yeah you can do Osaka-Kyoto-Tokyo with 7 days in kansai region and balance another week in Tokyo.

2 days @ USJ
2 days @ Osaka city
2 days @ Kyoto
1 day trip to Nara
1 day travelling (from Tokyo/ to Tokyo)

In Tokyo, you can spend the balance 6 days there till your flight back home.

All you need to additionally spend is your return shinkansen ticket. Seems like both of you can afford the shinkansen and that's what the wife wants - just go for it. If she likes to shop, Tokyo will be really fun for her.

QUOTE(Lynixx @ Oct 4 2017, 02:48 PM)
after seeing the post above, i started to wonder is it enough day for me to cover osaka/kyoto/kobe in 1 week time.
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You're going USJ x 1 day? Only left with 5 days ya.

2 days Osaka, 2 days Kyoto and 1 day Kobe ah. Kobe is about 30min from Osaka by train, so you can do a day trip there. If you didn't want to spend 2 days in Kyoto (it's mostly temples), you can also do a day trip to Nara, which is 1hr away from Osaka by train biggrin.gif many flexi.

QUOTE(sacwoc @ Oct 4 2017, 03:04 PM)
Dont understand the logic about Narita and Haneda. Both are in Tokyo and the difference are just the time/distance to the center. You are not going to spend your day in Haneda or NArita once you land right?
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Yeah I was wondering the same thing too. A little confused over that part.
Hi sacwoc Hong Kong super hot wei laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Oct 4 2017, 03:09 PM)

The reason is that, the return will be in Hanaeda Airport. So I'm just wondering whether we wan to spend the last few days in Tokyo and last day will go airport without rushing.

If we start from Tokyo. Until the last day, we have to flight ( or train ) from Osaka back to Haneda and take flight back to Singapore. I worry we will be very tired and worry about the delay.
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Just saw this reply.

Will recommend that you Tokyo is towards the end of your trip. For you to rush back - it's very taxing and trust me - kills all the mood going home. Best to do it this way:

Land Tokyo > straight to Osaka > enjoy kansai > shinkansen back to Tokyo > enjoy Tokyo > fly to SG
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Oct 4 2017, 03:33 PM)
How much shinkansen ticket? You guys only bought multiple one way ticket or bought the unlimited 7 days ticket?

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Got Hokuriku from airport-to-airport: http://hokuriku-arch-pass.com/en/
24,000yen

If it's the normal shinkansen pass, eg from Kyoto-Tokyo will cost ard 14,000yen one way.
https://www.jreast.co.jp/e/charge/index.html

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QUOTE(Lynixx @ Oct 4 2017, 03:37 PM)
Thanks sweet_pez for your suggestions. this is exactly what's my japanese colleague just said. 2 days osaka, 2 days kyoto and 1 day kobe. thanks thanks. biggrin.gif
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thumbsup.gif much welcome! Glad that it's a similar suggestion.
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QUOTE(chinti @ Oct 4 2017, 03:40 PM)
sometimes i wonder y ur mind think the same as mine lol. bak from HK huh? its way hotter than malaysia...
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Amitabha. Great minds think alike brows.gif
And yes, back since last Tuesday. I'm all burnt and black.

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QUOTE(Lynixx @ Oct 4 2017, 03:43 PM)
another suggestion needed,

since im staying in osaka only, do you think is good idea to go kobe 1 day then back osaka then go kyoto and back to osaka again?

or rather spend overnight each of the places 1 day.
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If you check Google map - Kyoto, Osaka and Kobe are in "triangle" route with Osaka being in the centre. As you have in mind - staying in Osaka is convenient. You can get to Kyoto/ Kobe daily from where you stay since both places are about 30min away by train biggrin.gif Given a similar situation, I will also choose to stay put in Osaka because moving from place to place is tiring and wastes time (travel to the accommodation, find the place/ hotel, check-in etc if Hotel). In fact staying in the same accommodation for a longer duration tends to be cheaper for per day cost.

Alternatively if you're like one of my friend who likes to move around, can consider staying 3 nights in Osaka and 2 nights in Kyoto (assuming you're staying 5 nights in total).
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Oct 4 2017, 06:01 PM)
Thanks for the info!!

I guess I will spend 7 days in Osaka, Kobe, Kyoto, Naba, and 7 days in Tokyo then. will make us of JR pass for 7 days unlimited. But I will check on the price first. I heard that getting JR Pass in Malaysia will be cheaper than getting it in Japan, am I correct?
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No problem.

Not sure about it being cheaper to get in Malaysia hmm.gif you should check out the JR site see what's the price and then compare it.
Locally you can get it from Klook: https://www.klook.com/city/100-jr-pass/

QUOTE(ultra_nyamuk @ Oct 4 2017, 07:59 PM)
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I think Chinti already replied on the timeline that it's not advisable to go Osaka/ Kyoto. If you wanted to go Osaka/ Kyoto, should have bough a flight directly there. If you're going to Tokyo and wanted to take Shinkansen to kansai, it will easily cost you around 14,000 yen one way per pax.

However if you insist on going, remember to put aside 30,000 yen for shinkansen per pax.
Local train passes for a week - you can put aside a total of around 10,000yen if you're not going to travel very far.

Hakone will cost you 5,200 yen for 2-days pass per pax (you can't buy 1 day pass). If you plan to take the Romancecar, top up another 2,000 yen per pax per ride (return).

Tokyo itself is really big and often, not enough time to explore even in 7 days. I did 10 days in my 2nd trip and there's still a lot of areas I couldn't cover especially side trips. Consider only staying in Tokyo.

What's worth to buy? - Watches, shoes, clothes, bags, pro cam etc.

QUOTE(gonzalo20 @ Oct 4 2017, 08:59 PM)
my trip to osaka is around 9 days. how many days should i spend to stay at kyoto, kobe and osaka? is 3 days at kyoto, 2 days at kobe an the rest at Osaka is ok? or should i stay at 1 place (osaka) and travel daily to kobe and kyoto?
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Subjective - it's better to adjust when you made up an itinerary and know what are the places you wish to visit.

Optionally, you can actually stay put in 1 area (eg. Osaka/ Kyoto) and travel to other places on a daily basis. For example, Osaka to Kobe is only 30min away by train. It's not necessary for you to stay in Kobe - you can travel to Kobe on a daily basis from Osaka.

QUOTE(Lynixx @ Oct 5 2017, 08:36 AM)
just asking...80k yen for 1 week trip is that enough? expenses only without hotel or USJ.
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Including train ticket?

In the 80,000 yen, put aside 5,000yen for airport transfer (by subway/ train), 5,000 yen for entrance fee to attractions/ misc.

70,000/ 7 days = 10,000yen per day (appx RM400 per day)

Each day expenses (all based on estimation):
1,500yen for train/ bus expenses.
500yen for breakfast
1,000yen for lunch
1,500 yen for dinner
1,000 yen for cafe/ tea time/ snacks

You still have a balance of 4,500 yen for shopping each day. There will be surplus, so it'll be enough with small shopping (souvenirs etc).

QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Oct 5 2017, 09:39 AM)
Thanks for advice. How about this?

4 days Osaka
3 days Kyoto
1 day Kobe
1 day Nara
6 days Tokyo.

I also understand that USS the waiting time is very long. Are you guys really able to play every game in one day? Any good timing to go there without so much queue? When is the good day to visit USS? Monday?
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Hahaha i always wonder, "What if everyone thinks Monday is a good day with less crowd and end up, everybody is there on a Monday making it the most crowded day of the week??" but it's just a thought - I have no idea. I tend to choose Mondays too laugh.gif

If you wanna fully enjoy USJ, I suggest 2 days - this is based on a colleague's advice. One of the longest queue is for Harry Potter (magical chair). You can also get the USJ Fast Pass, cut your queue time by a lot but not all rides accept the fast pass ya. It's also more pricey - worth it though. Consider it.

Also, consider getting your tickets through Klook as they're usually slightly cheaper https://www.klook.com/city/29-osaka/
In my HK trip, I purchased by 4G sim card and easily 3 other attractions' tickets through Klook. The queue is also shorter at the counter to get in, and it was express lane (don't have to queue to get in) when I rode the tram up to the peak icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(hidzwan @ Oct 9 2017, 09:41 AM)
Anyone has went to the new life size Gundam in Gundam Base tokyo?
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Passed by it mid of Sept -___-|| ... didn't get to stop.
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Saw this interesting video and think it'll be good to share with first timers to Japan. Enjoy!


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QUOTE(hidzwan @ Oct 9 2017, 12:44 PM)
is this new place located in exact same location as the old model one?
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Yep exact same place.

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