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post Aug 5 2017, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(ruudygh @ Aug 5 2017, 07:38 PM)
Im also a newbie here. I've been doing like u said (buy low on luno then sell high on other exchange) for a week now. It can be profitable but the problem is its cant do loop repeating. The USD profit you gained at other exchange is difficult to transfer back to malaysia because it cost a lot bank charges when you withdraw thru bank wire., and also malaysia bank/government will be very interested to ask you what is this money come from. shakehead.gif

Or you have other nice idea?
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if at few good exchanges, i can buy that coin from you, thanks
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Aug 5 2017, 07:50 PM)
If not how to lure dreamer masyok cc and find their moneh ler? It's a cycle that not gonna stop with many window dressing with dung that look like chocolate.
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the moment it's 200+ i was already tibai it upside down, what on earth already higher than ETH !!!
by the time 0.3BTC i was like,
really ?? who so sohai buy them ??

after checking BITTREX, only got around USD 10mil worth of BCH in circulation at that particular exchange.
no wonder la can goreng to the heavens
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post Aug 6 2017, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Aug 6 2017, 08:30 AM)
My feeling is cryptos is returning back to the period when I just started cryptos in Feb, meaning the bull might be returning. Probably a tamed bull though.

If suck at trading, buy and HODL lor... tongue.gif
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enjoy when u still can.

rule of the thumb, BTC is the emperor. everybody = altcoin
emperor gets well, everybody is well. emperor gets sick, everybody gets sick.
emperor vomits blood, we'll see a lot of soap opera like i should've, i shouldnt, i regret, lotsa it brows.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 6 2017, 08:44 AM)
This is correct, but there are people who think ETH is not altcoin any more. biggrin.gif
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a bit technical here, basically it's like this

US exchange uses bots to prevent triangle arbitrage between
BTC/USD
ETH/USD
BTC/ETH
means no matter what u do there wont be any difference between them.
lets say BTC rally, to maintain BTC/ETH ratio, the bots will buy kawkaw on ETH. close up that gap in seconds.

there is no coincidence that BTC rally, ETH follows within 5minutes because they are using bots.

however there are exchanges opening up alt coins with ETH.
means everything is string up with bloodties like brothers. BTC-ETH-ALTCOINS

then the exchange bosses all gang up to steamroll margin traders on their exchange ( dei pijak lu sampai mati! ) by how ?
by dumping BTC kawkaw, everything else follows because like bloodties BTC vomit blood, the rest all vomit blood.

if one day POLO/BITTREX/GDAX and others all use ETH as main denominator for their altcoin, then only BTC no longer is not emperor.
until u see that change, BTC is still the emperor.


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post Aug 6 2017, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(cusx @ Aug 6 2017, 09:13 AM)
Not a trader here, but does the order book means anything?

NEO has way too many buyers?

30 million NEO on BIDS
400k NEO on ASKS ?
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they could put there, then cancel when price is very close to their order, mindfuck u a while.

seriously i'd hit instant buy if there are 75 buyers to 1 seller ratio.
guaranteed their orders cant touch

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post Aug 6 2017, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 6 2017, 09:11 AM)
Yup, I've always seen BTC is the only one, the rest are Alt.

Just saying some people do regard ETH as no longer alt.
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personal opinion doesnt matter.
what matters is who's the boss here.
the milestone is, if ETH rally can drag up BTC price then i'd say ETH is officially the emperor.

until that happens.

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Aug 6 2017, 09:41 AM)
login bittrex and found that my limit order of BCC was triggered and sold @ 0.39999987

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wah....u sold at the peak....congratzzz laugh.gif
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QUOTE(hariz.zaki2 @ Aug 6 2017, 09:33 AM)
I've fucked up a few times setting the price 0.000001 higher than bid and 0.000001 lower than ask only to realize that they were those troll orders set at a very low amount. bangwall.gif
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everything is a poker game.

a couple of days ago, i set buy at BTC $2,650 night before
demmit the price touch $2,650 next morning but never trigger my order. vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif

thats when i get enlighten not to save that couple of dollars to miss out few hundred dollars of gain.
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QUOTE(Leon be here now @ Aug 6 2017, 10:43 AM)
this triangle arbitrage that uses bots, tying up BTC/ETH
is this your personal observation or a semi-know fact around the web?

if btc rally pass all time high, why is eth still not even close?

around 1.8.17 btc has nearly reached its all time high, and now its broken it with a good margin.
where as eth is not even close.
the only difference is BTC/ETH exchange rate has droped, no more double digit since eth peaked, which explains the difference.

still trying to get my head around this
are you saying eth is not peg with btc (unlike like how brunei / singapore)
but only the triangle between them this is to prevent people from making money from triangle arbitrage or rather they make the money themselves

if this is the case how is btc and eth blood brothers when compared?
as btc/eth exchange rate is worsening, like how the the nagging wife often gets into family business.

i wish eth is closely peg to btc, my largest stake in crypto is in eth atm.
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only experienced traders with exchange inner-workings knows it.
i've spent many many hours to study how exchanges work, scandals, how they earn extra by trading themselves (other than that commission they earn from transaction)
u put BTC/USD, ETH/USD, ETH/USD charts all 3 charts side by side. mark down the time when BTC rally, ETH rally (crash time also), then u will see what i mean.
when BTC rally, ETH/BTC goes out of ratio, so this bot will go rush and buy ETH/USD to make ETH/BTC ratio correct again

the existence of bot can be proved by these few methods
1. no price difference across exchanges
2. linked instruments move the same time, often in miliseconds.

this kind of thing dont happen if the traders were humans.

what the bots do is not pegging. pegging is fixing the ratio. BOTS make sure the math is correct only.
there are 3 instruments, the bots only make sure that B/A = C
A = BTC/USD
B = ETH/USD
C = ETH/BTC
BTC rally, ETH/USD dint move, so ETH/BTC ratio wrong already, what the bot does is they rush in and buy ETH/USD pushing up the price. then all ngam ngam u key into calculator all same number.


if btc rally pass all time high, why is eth still not even close?
again, the bots close triangular gap/difference only. means ETH not in demand. BTC is in demand.
if ETH in demand, ETH/BTC ratio would go up.

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Aug 6 2017, 11:35 AM)
No arguments there. However, I also see BTC as the big brother to altcoins. If BTC can achieve such great heights, there's bound to be some altcoins following and achieving similar performance as big brother. Big brother must set the example and help his little brother(s).  biggrin.gif

I'm already past the euphoria stage. Now is fire and forget.  blush.gif
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nothing, i'm hinting u emperor might be going to vomit blood liao
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QUOTE(Leon be here now @ Aug 6 2017, 10:43 AM)
this triangle arbitrage that uses bots, tying up BTC/ETH
is this your personal observation or a semi-know fact around the web?

if btc rally pass all time high, why is eth still not even close?

around 1.8.17 btc has nearly reached its all time high, and now its broken it with a good margin.
where as eth is not even close.
the only difference is BTC/ETH exchange rate has droped, no more double digit since eth peaked, which explains the difference.

still trying to get my head around this
are you saying eth is not peg with btc (unlike like how brunei / singapore)
but only the triangle between them this is to prevent people from making money from triangle arbitrage or rather they make the money themselves

if this is the case how is btc and eth blood brothers when compared?
as btc/eth exchange rate is worsening, like how the the nagging wife often gets into family business.

i wish eth is closely peg to btc, my largest stake in crypto is in eth atm.
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1. triangle bots are pretty common in financial world.
2. both. prevent ppl make money, make money themselves. third, move the market so that everybody is excited. if market doesnt move where got ppl wanna trade there. fourth - hammer BTC, the rest all vomit blood. margin traders account burned, exchange bosses all laugh to their banks.
3. linked together by ratio. ratio however is not fixed.
so if BTC cough, ETH will cough.
ETH cough, other altcoins will cough.

but i've seen more and more exchange adopt more ETH ALT-COIN pair.
soon everycoin will be somewhat blood brothers. all they gotta do is add bots to work on more pairs. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


dont ever think BTC is a piece of crap. cuz everything is linked together.

BTC drop my coin wont drop wan.... whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif

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QUOTE(Leon be here now @ Aug 6 2017, 01:34 PM)
cannibalizing too much of his evil twin brother, going to vomit liao  puke.gif , altcoins will lap up the slurp drool.gif

by the way whats the this special coin you mention brows.gif 

a leaked game of thrones s7e04 was out yesterday, its watchable version for people that cant wait.
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emperor = BTC la.....

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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Aug 7 2017, 07:39 AM)
Single Trader with Enormous Bankroll is Manipulating Bitcoin Price, But to What End?

Rumors are swirling about a trader with nearly unlimited funds who is manipulating the Bitcoin markets. This trader, nicknamed "Spoofy," received his nom de guerre because of his efforts to “spoof” the market, primarily on Bitfinex.

What is spoofing?
According to the Dodd-Frank act, spoofing is the practice of:

"Bidding or offering with the intent to cancel the bid or offer before execution"

In other words, spoofers place a large buy order just below other buy orders, or a large sell order just above other sell orders. The idea is to make traders think that somebody with deep pockets is getting ready to buy or sell, in hopes of moving the market. If traders see a sell order of 2000 Bitcoin, for instance, they may rush to panic sell before the whale crashes the price.

The catch is this: If the price approaches the spoofer’s order, he immediately cancels it. Spoofing is actually illegal, but as Bitcoin markets are largely unregulated, it’s quite common. What is unusual in this case is the enormous bankroll that Spoofy has at his disposal. He regularly places orders approaching $60 mln.

Even more unusual is that most of Spoofy’s activity occurs on a single exchange: Bitfinex. This exchange came under fire earlier this spring when Wells Fargo cut off their banking ties. As a result, it’s virtually impossible to deposit fiat on Bitfinex without going through intermediaries. Spoofy has massive sums of both fiat and Bitcoin on that exchange, and is likely one of the only traders who does.

Other tactics
Spoofy has a number of weapons in his arsenal, including spoofing and wash trading. As BitCrypto’ed points out in a recent blog post:

“Spoofy makes the price go up when he wants it to go up, and Spoofy makes the price go down when he wants it to go down, and he’s got the coin… both USD, and Bitcoin, of course, to pull it off, and with impunity on Bitfinex.”

The BitCrypto’ed blog also describes Spoofy’s wash trades, when he trades with himself by either selling into his own buy orders or vice versa. Wash trading at high volumes can induce a frenzy of buying or selling, as other traders respond to the high trading volume. Spoofy can execute wash trades at very low cost, about $1,000 per million dollars of volume.

When Bitfinex announced its plan to distribute Bitcoin Cash, it initially planned to distribute Bitcoin Cash to holders of short positions. Immediately following that announcement, a single trader short sold tens of thousands of Bitcoin all at once. It’s likely this trader was Spoofy himself, planning on acquiring as much Bitcoin Cash as possible.

The large number of shorts on Bitfinex also led many to believe that an epic short squeeze was coming, and many Bitcoin traders purchase coins in expectation of this. Suddenly, he “claimed” all of his own shorts, closing them using his own Bitcoin. The number of shorts dropped drastically without affecting the price at all.

Who is he?
The identity of Spoofy remains a mystery. He may be a single trader, a group of colluding traders or even the Bitfinex management themselves. He sometimes seeks to drop Bitcoin price, and sometimes acts to increase it.

Not just Bitfinex
Spoofy’s activity also drives the price on other exchanges, as arbitrage takes place. Because BItcoin is so thinly traded, a single large “whale” can potentially move the entire market. While Spoofy is certainly exercising outsized control over the Bitcoin price, it is uncertain how much of an affect this is having on the markets. The price is currently rising, having finally surmounted the $3,000 barrier. The only problem? Nobody knows how much of this increase is organic and sustainable, and how much is due to the market manipulation of Spoofy and others.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/single-trade...but-to-what-end
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pretty normal.
he just put his orders there, then ppl would front run him causing a build up wall around his orders.
then he just cancels it.
he can defend the price without using his own money.
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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Aug 7 2017, 04:05 PM)
btw what is sats?
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like megabyte, terabyte, byte

sats = smallest denominator of bitcoin
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QUOTE(daimGeno @ Aug 7 2017, 05:49 PM)
how much does luno take when buying BTC?
is it 1% 2%?

when selling BTC also they take some rite
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depends on market depth or liquidity
if u sell big amount with very little buyer, your average price will drop significantly.
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QUOTE(mazwan182 @ Aug 7 2017, 06:06 PM)
Newbie here. Why luno price different than time stamp?Saw RM13811 and buy some but in transaction timestamp the price is RM14285. Any sifu here can give me some advice?thanks.
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that price is just a floating price.

when u hit instant buy/sell.
buy means u get above floating, sell means u get below float.

thing is liquidity is different. let's say u buy 13811 with large order, u basically eat up everything from the floating price up to 2% above in order to fill u. on top of that need to pay 1% fee also.

on top of that, there might be also more buyers like u at the same time that hit that instant buy. so let's say 3 ppl wanted to grab at the same time, so the average price simply locks u further away from floating price.

always remember that what u see is not what u get.

market depth/liquidity is like fish swimming in different depth.
u need to buy 10fish, so u need to catch the fish from the surface to lower level in order to get 10fish. so your average price is a couple of percent away from what u see.
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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Aug 7 2017, 08:35 PM)
ETH has been pretty strong recently and being at 270 now, I'm pretty positive that we may be able to see 400 soon
What alt coins are you holding ?

I've sold off 50% of my XRP as it isn't moving anywhere up
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ETH/BTC dipping again. LOL. BTC up but it's jamming around 0.07980004
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Aug 7 2017, 09:09 PM)
No la, stamp now but many of them will be gold in future.

I was too chicken to stock few more BTC when it was $1800 (bought and fast fast sold when see profits lel), I thought another dipping gonna happens during hard fork haha I so naive.
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it was supposed to crash during the fork.
I saw the sellers building up their position. but after it dropped to 2700, sellers basically close shop and became buyers.
crazy lending up to 5%/day for USD n BTC spike right before that forking day.

Foooorkkkk itt
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QUOTE(jack2 @ Aug 7 2017, 09:19 PM)
Wont go back to 2500 Liao if based on current momentum level.

LOL
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one layer buyer nia....globally price cant catch up....

caucasian pumping price nia...
or maybe BCH sold back they get BTC so it keeps going higher
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Aug 7 2017, 09:26 PM)
BTC hard fcuk lel.
2700 is the lowest point ad, gg.

What'sthe correlation between crazy lending 5%/day and spike up before fork?
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to pump up or down u will need to loan USD or btc. (margin buy or sell)
who would pay 5% a day ? it's crazy lending rate

then it's like party's over. we aren't throwing kitchen sink at BTC

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