If I can show you, what are you going to say?
http://biblehub.com/text/romans/5-20.htm

http://biblehub.com/greek/5248.htm
5248. huperperisseuó
5248 hyperperisseúō (from 5228 /hypér, "beyond" and 4052 /perisseúō, "abundantly, exceeding") – properly, beyond what already exceeds," i.e. ultra (super) abounds. See 5249 (hyperperissōs).
Well Well Well. 

Edit: What in the world? Where did I mention there is problem of keeping the Sabbath. Do you know what is keeping the Sabbath under the New Covenant context or not?

Well unless you can prove to me it's a different meaning, I find it nothing wrong with using Hyper Grace because in the Greek, that is what it is.

Ok I'll spare you my lecture but what do you think keeping the Sabbath is all about?

Erm, you describe what day to practise is correct but

Maybe I should rephrase my question, what is the meaning of keeping the Sabbath?

And where did I mention keeping the Sabbath is a problem or where did I pass judgement on it?
The Greek for Grace is charis.

hypereperisseusen charis = Hyper Grace.

You didn't google this did you?

Who says that is not what the Bible record?

Romans 5:20 , it's in there.

Yes Charis huperperisseuo meaning grace overflow or exceedingly

You make too many assumptions. Nobody is underestimating God.
You're going in a roundabout way & trying to corner me, for whatever reason. You're very cunning. I had already stated that i don't agree with "Faith + Works"  or  "Works Salvation"

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." - 1 John 1:9

If we sin, we go to Him in sincere repentance. He will forgive. Time & again. BUT NOT when we take His Grace for granted!
I still stand by my point when i said there is a condition attached to salvation. Obedience. Is Obedience considered works, UW?

We are not saved by our works. In fact, Paul argues that even our faith is a gift from God, and therefore, there is no room for man’s boasting. Salvation is a work of God. (This sentence, we're both in agreement  )

However, salvation is not simply a work that happens when we are born again.

It is a work that continues till we are made into the full image of Christ. It will end at death or at the rapture, whichever happens first.
"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling" - Philippians 2:12
Again “work out” has the idea of “Keep on working out to completion, to ultimate fulfillment.” 

In the NIV (since you're comfy with the NIV) this is represented by the word “continue”—continue to work out your salvation.

This means that sanctification doesn’t happen overnight.

It is a process that must be worked out till it is fully completed which ultimately won’t happen until we get to heaven. The implication of this is that we must persevere until it is complete.

Why is perseverance in working out our salvation important?

Perseverance in working out our salvation is important, because of temptations toward complacent, apathetic Christianity. ("once saved, always saved" mentality will lead to complacency)

In this process of following Christ, there will be temptations to give up the pursuit and just become spiritually comfortable and lethargic.

The church is full of those who have not “persevered” in the discipline of “working out their salvation.”

We see this with one church in particular in the New Testament—the church of Laodicea. Ooops! The lukewarm church again. Or perhaps the members of the Laodicean church are not really believers?

They just attend/pretend? 

Paul ties in fear and trembling with the effort that we must pour into our sanctification or salvation. 

He is not saying that we contribute to or add to our salvation, but we work it out as he indicated, “as you have always obeyed” so this obedience is a “working out”, due to a healthy fear of disobedience because we tremble at His Word.
Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? - Rom 6:16

I see Obedience yet again. As in the verses i had posted previously on abiding, or the branch will be cut off. Or your name be blotted out. Or lamp stand removed.

The Bible clearly states repentance is necessary. Repentance and Obedience are NOT works. There are going to be a ton of surprised individuals real soon when the rapture occurs.

Any person who believes they can keep sitting on that barstool, or commit adultery and any other sin and not repent is not obeying God.

The Bible is very clear.

No man can pluck them from my hand does not mean we cannot leave. Any person can willingly leave God. Repentance is not works. Matthew 10:22, john 15:6, 1st Corinthians 15:2, 2 Timothy 2:12, Hebrews 6:4-6

" Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy FIRST LOVE

Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. " - Revelation 2:4

" But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified. " - 1 Corinthians 9:27

If Paul could say this, and we KNOW he was born again, then how can you say that our salvation can't be lost? Even Paul understood that that is not the case.

We CAN be disqualified if we don't walk in repentance and submission to the will of the Father through the leading of the Holy Spirit.

I quoted this verse before. Your interpretation is wrong! It's not about running for rewards. The GREEK translation here is "adokimos". Go look it up. Castaway(KJV) is more accurate than disqualified. 

Bible does say we can quench the HS & harden our hearts.
The truth is that while we did nothing to earn the gift of salvation, we do still have an obligation to maintain the gift, with the grace He has given us

" Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; ..." - Rom. 8:12.

We need to get over this erroneous idea that we have nothing to do, and that if we dare do anything, we are "earning" our salvation. The Bible says that only those that do God's will make it to heaven.

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"And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." - Luke 9:62

"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." - John 15:6

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils  ;" - 1 Timothy 4:1

"Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Hebrews 5:8, 9.
  AND HERE ARE YOUR FAV HEBREW VERSES :
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." - Hebrews 6:4-6

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." - Hebrews 10:26
"But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;" Hebrews 3:13,14.

See? Unto the end! Endure! Persevere!
"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." James 1:12.

I see obedience again!

Some verses that i had already provided you with :

"For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. 2 Peter 2:21,22.
"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." - Jude 1:21.

"Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works: or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. - Revelation 2:5

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." - Revelation 2:7

"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." - Revelation 3:5

"When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby." - Ezekiel 33:18
The above verses show beyond a shadow of a doubt that we can lose our salvation. It is there in black and white. All of God's promises in the Bible are conditional.

Be an overcomer, Be obedient, endure temptation, etc

The Parable of the Sower is the best example. There are several things to note about this parable. First, only one class will finally be saved - the ones who brought forth much fruit. No such thing as disobedient Christians.

Only obedient fruitful Christians. Like i said, NOT optional.
Excerpt : What Are Some Of The Implications Of Once Saved Always Saved?

1) Since we are ‘saved’, we can do what we want. It doesn’t matter what kind of sin we commit. We are still going to go to heaven.

2) We do not need to worry about helping our brothers and sisters remain faithful. "Hey, if they are saved, they will remain saved. We do not need to be our brother’s keeper".

3) We can ignore all the Scriptures warning us to persevere to the very end. We don’t need to persevere because if we are saved, we will remain saved.

4) We have a real false sense of security.
So i still see 3 categories here :

1) Unsaved

2) Christians who do not overcome & have 1 foot in the world. They indulge in their sins but, still believe in Jesus Christ. They made a profession.

3) Christians who walk a Holy life & stumble on occasion, but bear much fruit. In short, lived a victorious life.
1 & 2 will enter into a different eternity than 3.
Now, to the million dollar question, do you believe in once saved always saved? Mr. UW?
Edited -  Hello ? ?  Hello ? ! 

Yes Friend, many times I've asked you and you still don't seem to understand.

Who is that "You see"? Wasn't Paul communicating this to another fellow believer, asking him to understand and see why Faith alone isn't going to help another person? No?

And do you not see, the context of the examples of help rendered is for the benefit of another fellow human being? (lacking in food, cloth, etc)

The works without dead is for the justification horizontal...before Man, not before God.

Yes I can read Hyper Grace because it's really in there in Roman 5.20, I just cannot understand your denial....Scared to admit you're wrong isn't it? Ego?

Someone asked me to concise everything.

The key to receiving from God is Faith. Doesn't matter, whether it's receiving God's promises or the Holy Spirit. The principle is consistent with Salvation. You cannot receive Salvation if you don't receive the Holy Spirit.
Romans 4:4-5 (NIV)
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

Romans 4:13 (NIV)
13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith

Galatians 3:1-2
1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?

The understanding of the Holy Spirit at that point in time is fairly new. Not everyone knew about it except for the main apostles chosen by Christ. We all know Acts is a transition period where the birth of Christianity just begun.

Even in Acts 19 (11 chapters after that) there were disciples who said this

Acts 19:2 (NIV) and asked them (Paul), "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."
Philip was appointed in chapter 6 in the book of Acts. I do not know of He knew about the Holy Spirit through the laying of hand.

And pertaining to your question, What I'm stating is correct because when you receive Christ, you receive the same Trinity God, not separate Gods, so you will not be without the Holy Spirit.

As to why there is a delay, I don't know and whether their Salvation is real or not, it's not in my place to say but AFTER that transition period, it is correct,

If you do not have the Holy Spirit, you do not belong to Christ, how can you receive Salvation?

Romans 8:9-11
9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ[U]. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

Why are you concern about this anyway? They all did receive the Holy Spirit later. If that is that, then no point to speculate if their Salvation is real or not.

Indeed it should present you with tons of problems because of the base theology we are standing on ... and that is a good thing

In my opinion, the first statement is almost hard to stand on.

There is almost overwhelming evidences in the book of Hebrews is that its recipients were believers in the Lord Jesus.

1) The writer of this book frequently identifies with his readers the first person we, us, and our (2:1, 3; 3:14; 4:1, 11, 14-16; 6:1; 10:22-25; 12:1-2, 28; 13:13-15).

2) He refers them as brothers (3:1, 12; 10:19; 13:22).

3) Also, partakers of a heavenly calling (3:1).

4) Also, the house of God (v. 6), partners of Christ (v. 14), believers (4:3)

5) Having been sanctified once for all (10:10),

6) sons of God under the discipline of the Father (12:5-9),

7) partakers of the Father’s holiness (12:10)

8) having come forward to the blessings of the new covenant (12:22-24).

etc. etc.
Scot McKnight in his book, "The Warning Passages of Hebrews: A Formal Analysis and Theological Conclusions", concludes:
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Rather, you have to put before you, what is really salvation ... that salvation is isn't what we think it is .. . And no, we can't lose our salvation. But is it only the initial salvation?
Cheers!

Ah you're wrong there Bro, I like the book of James because our Faith has to work hand in hand with our actions, our words and our thoughts.

I don't see it as justification before God for Salvation but I see as something of ...If you believe it, then act like it and God is never more please when He sees our Faith in action.

Well. It's great that you have an open mind because most people will assume that the book of Hebrew is addressed to everyone by virtue of the fact that it's in the new testament.

Actually, reading Hebrews again, it's clear it's being addressed to the Jews by virtue of the title of the book and also how it's being written. For example, Hebrew 3:9.
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

I mean our fathers cannot be referring to Moses and the Patriachs right? So it has to be to the Jews.
Also, it's obvious that Moses is being held with high regard. Something that is not really associate with Christians because Moses is not really our Patriachs . Sorry for not maybe explaining things well but I think you would get the picture.

Also other key words like inheritance etc.

The other thing then is to ask.
What does this verse exactly mean
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

As for fencesitters. Do you think someone who does not have a Jewish herritage would be able to understand Hebrews? If it is to the fence sitters, dun you think God would have inspired someone to write to the fence sitters. In a tone like say Corinthians?

It really cannot mean us sinning willfuly because if that's the case, everyone of us will not be saved.
Similarly it cannot be talking about the current Jewish Christians. I am sure they follow the same standard.

If sinning willfully means rejecting Jesus then I guess we do not need to preach to the Atheist out there because many of them have probably rejected Jesus after the truth has been preached to them again and again. It also mean that we should not be preaching to the Jews who rejected Jesus after having the Gospel being preached to them.

So what is this particular sin that can actually cause someone to forever be damned based on that definition above. I mean we know that there are no sins right now that can cause anyone to be "forever" damned. Of course I am not expecting you to concur with the video but then this is something we can think about.

Let's not use gotquestions as our standard shall we.

Technically it is for Jewish believers. But no different from us believers. There is no Jews or Greek

They:

1) have faith of our Lord Jesus Christ of glory (2:1)
2) justified by faith (2:24)
3) regenerated by the word of truth (v. 18)
4) indwelt by the Spirit of God (4:5)
5)members of the church (5:14)

Pretty much us.

Yes it is also written towards the Jews.
James 2
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Actually another thing
If James was really written to us then how come
James 2
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

vs

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

I think we all can accept, the message in the book of Hebrews were written specifically to the Jews, that was the point of arresting the meaning of sinning willfully.

As to how it can apply to all believers, for me it applies when one tries to mix up both law and grace as one.

Cant go too deep with you, Im no bible scholar

Just want to add here, the jews are the only people who have seen Jesus' and his miracles, yet rejected him. This is also isaiah's prophecy. If anyone can blaspheme the Spirit, the jews can.

Anyway are you Armenian? I can't say Ive met any armenians before

Lol. If you permit me to be frank, brother, this is not the first time that I have share it. Try to in my limited way.

When you mention that you rather adhere to the confession, I feel very heavy and reluctant to . (Or I am just a lazy bum)

Unless you really open to engage the texts regardless where it will bring you. To reconcile eternal salvation and the warnings in Hebrews; and other parts of the NT.

If you are not; then no use going on. Just treat me as a voice poking people to always consider the text and not always bound by a theological framework. It helps us and also veil us.  It always includes and excludes. The exclusion could be very critical.

Sometimes I wonder if better if I create a Skype account to share if it might be easier.

Take care lah.