The Trinity doctrine is not 3 Gods.

We still believe there is only ONE God.

We are not into mantras. We are into the word of God.

Which one of the verses contradicts the Trinity view?

This one?

Isaiah 44:8?

8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

What's the contradiction?

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Jul 2 2018, 03:54 PM

Yet few chapters later...……..How many GODS are there? In your words?

Isaiah 48

12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.
16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Your vids are inaudible. I read your transcript.

Was God talking to Himself in Genesis 1:26?

Looks consistent.

The person talking to one another. Let US make...…...

Or was God talking to Himself?

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Jul 2 2018, 04:06 PM

Huh?
You do not agree with the videos and you posted them?

Cannot understand you at all.

Then don't bother to post this all over the boards if you are not interested to debate.

There are many instances where while in English, it does not show up the multiplicity of God, the original texts indicates that.


For eg: Let us make man in our image


While the noun is plural, the verb make is singular.


The question to ask is where in the OT does it indicate the triune nature of God. This is because its been accused that the NT was changed to emphasise on Trinity doctrine eg Matt 28:19 where the command to baptise in the three and yet in Acts we do not see this prcatice.

I believe this is the clearest indicator in the OT of the compound unity of God

Isaiah 48


13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.
16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

The only way to lose one's salvation is to apostatize. Reject God altogether.

Before anyone think Jesus is asking us to 'hate' their family, the word 'hate' is to love less in Hebrew.
This phrase is a Hebrew idiom.

Good you brought out the Abraham sacrifice.
Many think that they love God and go on in sin and expect grace to overcome sin. This is a false gospel.

Love demands action.
Faith demands action.
Grace demands action.

Therefore

Romans 4

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

And

James 1

22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 2

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

You are right.

Lawlessness was the order of the day at Sodom and Gomorah.
Lawlessness is also becoming the order in the churches. Hyper grace teachings attest to this.

Therefore, it is up to the watchmen on the walls to sound their trumpets and fight against the false teachings and compromise permeating the body these days.

The end draws nearer.

Did Jesus say that? HMmmmmmmm

Actually God was already proven in Jesus.
You are thinking as a 21st century person to demand 'scientific' proof?

In the ancient ways, prophecies and their fulfilment were proofs of God, especially the messianic prophecies. That is how God proved His existence to Israel through His messiah.


Therefore,


If you go by how researcher's and real scientific proof, it is already done. That is the reason real serious researchers have come to know Jesus when ultimately the evidences prove God rather than disprove.

Yes Please

Please quote the verses and passage.

You are better than me at scriptures.
But its only a part verse? Nothing to do with sin judgement?

Here

13 And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me.
14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?
15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:
17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?
18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.
19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.
20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

Think what you are describing is blind faith.

We do not need to see Jesus personally, but we need to hear His word and believe it.

"And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty."


God does not promote blind faith. Indeed faith comes by hearing of His word. His word proclaims Himself.
Faith is not blind, but proven through His word.

You should continue reading on

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

They all heard the word of God and acted on it.