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NicoRobinz
post Oct 11 2017, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(zamorin @ Oct 11 2017, 11:14 AM)
But that doesn't answer the question of "malevolence". Even if the state of our current world is because of humans' own doing, then the question of omnipotence becomes false.
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The question is, how is that 'malevolent'?

You play with fire and get burned in return. You're blaming God for not stopping this from happening. However, God did tell us not to play with fire at the first place. We chose to disobey and now blaming for the state that we are in now? That doesn't sound correct, does it?

Most importantly, God did not forsake us and redeemed our sins with the blood of Jesus. Back to the scenario that i have given, now that you are burnt due to your disobedience, God still sent Jesus to heal your wound.

I do not understand why do people still keep on saying, oh, God did not stop disasters from happening, he must be evil. I mean please understand what we humans have done along the way. I know, some people may say, it's not fair that we are living in this state because of Adam and Eve's disobedience. But just look at yourself, are you really free of any sins for not deserving to live in this state?

Just my opinion on how i view this issue.
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post Oct 11 2017, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(zamorin @ Oct 11 2017, 12:01 PM)
You don't get to choose how you define malevolent. If you are changing the definition, like what you are doing, then your answer is meaningless because the question quite clearly implies "malevolent" as the definition specified in the dictionary. You can't attach additional conditions and try to change the question itself.
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I googled and this is what malevolent means.

"having or showing a wish to do evil to others."

Maybe I do not get your point so do you mind to elaborate or give examples? In what way God wishes to do evil to others?
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post Oct 11 2017, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(zamorin @ Oct 11 2017, 12:30 PM)
That is the whole riddle, how can I attempt to elaborate a puzzle?

The whole implications are self-contained in the puzzle.

It does not say if god wishes to do evil to others, it says, If there is evil in the world, then where is the question of God's omnipotence? If god is omnipotent, then where does evil come from?

That is the conundrum, that is the question.

Hey, you seems to be ok here. Atleast you seem to be making an honest attempt to answer. Thank you.
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Ok, that's very interesting.

Before I talk further, here's the definition of omnipotent:

"having unlimited power; able to do anything"

Just to make sure we are on the same page tongue.gif

From my pov, omnipotent and existence of evil doesn't collide.

Evil comes in when his creations choose to disobey his instructions. He doesn't prevent it because he has given his creations free will to obey or disobey his commands.

I hope this can clear your doubt but just let me know if you are still in doubt. or maybe we can listen to Unknown Warrior first? He's a devout Christian and has been studying Bible for many years.

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post Oct 20 2017, 09:39 AM

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I think the word 'day' used in Genesis means 24 hours as per our time. Remember how it was set as a rule that people weren't allowed to work on seventh day?

However, science tells us that our world existed for 4.5 billion years. Hmm....

Could God speed up the process? Otherwise, there wouldn't be a lot of trees, fruits and plants on the sixth day when God created human because we all know it takes time for them to grow? tongue.gif
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post Oct 20 2017, 10:21 AM

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post Oct 20 2017, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 20 2017, 10:17 AM)
I can understand your questions because i once asked them myself too.
It is not documented on other countries.. but we can find traces of it.
More so in China.
During Jesus Era, which is a short few years.. during the crucifixion of Jesus, at this time, Israelites were already all around the world. They came back to worship the passover and so happen witnessed the death and resurrection of Jesus. Disciples were preaching in their respective languages at the countries they were from.
Now where to find traces of the old testament?
Look to China's practices and culture. There is a book that explains traditional chinese writings which actually depicts God and Jesus.


But look at Chinese new year where red is used, and hung around the door. Or sacrifices are needed to worship. Why red hanging around the door. Because Chinese believes it is meant to scare the red devil away from killing. If you do a study deep enough, you will realize it is closely related to when Moses instructed Israel to paint red blood on their door. To prevent the angel of death from killing their first born.

LOLS.. the traces are there. But I personally believe it is not obvious because of Satan's cover-ups and also partly because after Rapture, it will be part of 'the great lie' which blinds everyone who is left behind.
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Do you mean the word 'ship' in Chinese?

船 < They say this word refers to the ark, Noah and his family.


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post Oct 20 2017, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 20 2017, 10:10 AM)
Good that you are thinking about it.
Now when Jesus done miracles in healings.. for example in John 4, and even for the blind to see at Bethsaida on Sabbath day in Mark 8, were all this miracles done over a period of time?

Even during Moses time, where there as a bush of fire, or even when Moses staff turned into a snake, or when the angel killed alt the first born in one night, all this were done by God.

I think, we will never be able to fully understand how God did it. But we have to accept by faith God did. If it took time to grow? or how it happened? I think, when we get to heaven, we will find out. But when God said, He did it in a day. I think it happened in a day. Like how Jesus healed instantly or asked Lazarus(Who is dead) to come out instantly.

By faith we accept it.
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actually i think most people do not object on the part that says God created the world in 6 days.

This is something that cannot be debated because the question lies whether you believe or you do not. However, people think Christianity is a fairy tale because it contradicts with the discovery of science.

For example, it is said that the world has existed for 4.5 billion years while in bible, our world didn't exist for that long.
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post Oct 20 2017, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 20 2017, 10:35 AM)
Well you have your point.
Science creates facts based on what they discover.. and there are a lot of stuffs they DO NOT discover YET? or maybe not.

But when Science hypothesize ( Not a fact, just a theory, like how they say brain is just usage of 3% or something, thats also a theory proven wrong.. not a fact.. ) that the world is 4.5 billion years.

Clearly, they did not take into account a lot of factors
- Bible states the big flood. If you understand the carbon dating process enough, you will know how it will eventually affect the carbon dating.
- Difference in natural environment such as sun and rain factors. ( Our sun is getting hotter and hotter right?)
- and even natural disasters.
If you see some debunked theories of the world being 4.5 billion years, you will undnerstand, their story has another different side of it lols.. its just a widely accepted theory with a lot of flaws.. as good as the big bang theory.
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is the age of the earth told in the bible?

as far as i know, some Christians actually believe our world has existed for that long. they have their own version of interpretation.
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post Oct 20 2017, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 20 2017, 10:45 AM)
The age of the world is unknown. Its not told in the Bible. But it is roughly estimated based on the timeline of events which the Bible stated. Like for example, how long after Adam, or how long after David, or how old was David when this happen, or how old was the other prophets.. so based on this, and combining it all, the entire Earth was, like i said, ESTIMATED.. to be  6,000 years old.

just an estimate.
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in that case, do you believe our world has only existed for 6000 years?

I personally think our world is older than that. If our world is 6000 years, then what we learnt in history are wrong.

still remember all those zaman paleotik neolitik?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 20 2017, 10:52 AM)
To be honest, I would think it's more plausible for Young Earth, you know why?

Things decay and I don't think we can have enough resources if it's billion of years...if you can understand how long is billions.
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but they say certain things require that long to be what it is today.

For example, petroleum. if my memory serves me right, it's carcasses of the sea animals that took thousand or even million of years to be petroleum.
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post Oct 20 2017, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Oct 20 2017, 11:51 AM)
Before you get swayed even further,

Put it this way,
science and God dont co-exist.

However, One way or the other, the world will end due to the diminishing resources.

But the origins of earth, it is a splitroad of either God's explanation or Science,
But like i said, Science depict as billions due to their statistical calculation methods..
not like they have an accurate scientific failproof method..
its just through their carbon dating methods.. etc... which are full of flaws..

Hence, to begin with, earth's scientific age isnt a fact.. its just a theory..
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I personally think Science and God can both co-exist.

Science teaches us how His creation work. I buy the idea of 'old earth' more.

sun and moon only created on the fourth day. How do we know the days before was measured in 24 hours?
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post Nov 8 2017, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 8 2017, 08:50 AM)
People are not hearing the Gospel

Hebrews 9:14 (NIV) - How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

Good Day believers of Christ.

The world out there is not hearing the gospel.

If I were to put a microphone and ask the average person on the street, there is a Heaven and there a Hell to shun, what qualifies you to Heaven.
Most likely you will hear things like, I'm not a bad person, I don't murder or kill. I don't blow people or building up. I take care of my own family, my own life, I don't disturb people.

It is always a sense of Work Based answer. I didn't do or I did this and that.

You will hardly hear it's by the blood of Christ.

Today God is restoring the Gospel, Grace is one of the restored truth as how God used Martin Luther to restore the Gospel, justification by Faith.

Apostle Paul says it like this. "And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace."
We need to share the Gospel, dear friends. What Christ did at the cross, the shedding of His Blood was done on the basis of God's Grace and Love.

We get to enter Heaven is because of what God has done, not what Man has done. So whenever you hear teachings like you MUST obey in order to qualify for Salvation, understand THAT is basically what the devil preach to the people in the street because ALL religion is work base.

We need to preach the right Gospel.

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Good morning,

What about bad Christians?

Do they still go to heaven? Last two weeks, I attended a sermon by a female pastor and she said, Christians may not be saved if they do not follow Jesus's teaching.


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post Nov 8 2017, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 8 2017, 11:14 AM)
Jesus said the sum total of the Law is to Love God with all your heart, all your soul and with all your strength.

I ask you this one question.

Was there anyone in history is/was able to do that without failure?
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That makes me ponder.

If bad people are also saved, then does that mean there are also bad people in heaven? Will they do the same what they did when they were in earth?

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post Nov 8 2017, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 8 2017, 11:42 AM)
Talking about Bad and Good.........

Jesus said something profound...why do you call me good And He threw the Law to the young Rich ruler. ( Luke 18:19/Mark 10:18)

Read the whole passage of Luke 18 or Mark 10 to understand this revelation.

See if people can attain/lose Salvation because they can obey, they don't need a Saviour.

From what you've been taught, do you know why and what is the purpose of The Laws of God?

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For me it's not the matter of good or bad people. the reason why people's life are not changed is because we are not preaching the gospel.
When we preach...you must obey God or Christ.(not arguing on that fact) you are preaching the Law.
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Are Law of Gods referring to the law that was introduced by Moses?

Frankly speaking, I think it's to guide humans to be a good being. However, there are certain law that I feel weird.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 8 2017, 11:50 AM)
Well Jesus referred to the Old Testament commandments in those 2 verses.

Those weird laws are what we call ceremonial laws as well as the Levitical laws.

They are meant for the Israelites.
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Just wanna make clear on something.

God only gave 10 commandments for everyone to follow, is it?

Was God responsible for those weird rules?

What does 'Remember the sabbath day' mean? Does it mean that we aren't supposed to work on Saturday?

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post Nov 16 2017, 03:10 PM

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Hi Unknown Warrior,

Is Saturday Sabbath day or Sunday?

I heard from a pastor that Christians no longer follow those law in old testament except ten commandments from God.

Since the fourth commandment is 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy', does that mean people cannot work on that day or else, it's a grave sin?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 16 2017, 07:11 PM)
Hi Nico,

I need to start by asking;

Why should Christians follow what God calls the Old Testament law as a ministry of death? (2 Corinthians 3:7)

Have you not read Romans 14:5-10

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Verse 5-10 is in the context, being a Christian is not about following rules and regulations; It is no longer about following the OT Law, it is about looking to Christ as his/her Savior & God by faith as justification. Read the rest of the chapter until you come to verse 22. That is key. Key importance of what God wants you to apply in practice.

No such thing that to follow/disobey observing Sabbath = grave sin.  God has nullified the Old Covenant (for the believer) and has cut a new One, a New covenant based on his GRACE. <----everything depends on this. Read Hebrews 8:13.

The Old Testament law still stands against unbeliever...though...but that is another matter.

Note what I've said in the bracket...For the believer and unbeliever.
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Hi Unknown Warrior,

Speaking of Bible, is there a version closest to the original script?

I'm now reading NIV, but some of them say the words used are for beginners and therefore, may not be accurate to true meaning to the original scripts which is in Hebrew.

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post Nov 17 2017, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Nov 17 2017, 07:57 AM)
That would be the King James Version Bible; the closest english translation to the original scripts
In fact, the NIV and other simplified versions of the Bible has hid away various other messages that can be told in a verse..
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Zannes,

Do Catholics use their own version of Bible? There are verses quoted from Catholics cannot be found in my Bible.
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post Nov 17 2017, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 17 2017, 08:57 AM)
NicoRobinz
There is another site which I can recommend

https://www.biblegateway.com/
If you drop down the translation button, you can see way more translation than bible.cc provides.

You can try NIVUK, that is what i heard from others...could be the best closest translation..but that is what people tells me.
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Thank you.

I'll check out at stores for NIVUK as well as King James version.

BTW, I use this website when I go to church. I only limit my Bible to be used at home.
http://biblehub.com/
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post Nov 27 2017, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(mbqb11 @ Nov 27 2017, 08:11 AM)
My hair is getting whiter by the day. Is it biblical to dye?

Why of course!

For the apostle Paul says,  " I Dye daily . . . . ."  unsure.gif
Can Christians buy 4D & Toto?

Well sure thing!

There's a book called "Numbers" in the Bible.
K, see y'all  laugh.gif
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Is it really true?

I heard from a devout Christian that it's wrong to do so.

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