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kambingkoh
post Jun 8 2017, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(eateat @ Jun 8 2017, 09:44 AM)
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I am planning to propose to my GF and currently looking for a diamond ring.  I know this topic has been discussed thousand over time but still appreciate some good advise from you guys.

My main question is whether cuts really that important.  I went to Poh Kong to see Hemera diamonds, it has 101 cuts compared to ordinary diamonds with 50+ cuts.  I think the price difference is about 20% extra for Hemera.  Is it better to get more cuts or spend this money on bigger or nicer colour diamond?

Round vs Heart Shape?  I know round is the most ideal shape for better shines and etc... i think heart shape is unique and mot many people will get heart shape diamond.

Another question I have is about buying diamonds without certificate.  The price is cheaper.  Does the certificate really matter?

Serious reply only please.  If you do not like my question, kindly ignore my thread. 

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First of all, CUT also covers the proportions of the diamond, such as pavilion angle, crown angle, total depth. When we discussed about cut, we focus on pavilion angle and crown angle mainly because that's where the light gets reflected. Overall, CUT is really the most important factor in determining the light play within the diamond:

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Hemera is their own proprietary cut. Standard round brilliant is cut to 57 facets, while Hemera is cut to 101 facets. The main difference is that the one with more facets will have cover the diamond area with "smaller windows" whereby the sparkles will also be smaller, but a lot (because more windows). For the one with lesser facets, it will cover the same diamond area with "bigger windows", whereby the sparkles will be bolder.

It is also said that the extra sparkle (scintillation) will be at the expense of fire and brilliance as well: Read this article by Hearts on Fire. That's why I will prefer to stick with the traditional 57 facets which is well-proven over time to provide the optimum performance in all areas - Scintillation, Fire, Brilliance.

To me, extra facets is really sold by that "one (or few)" company to make it unique that the rest, other diamonds like these includes Gassan 121 (121 facets), Leo Diamonds (66 facets), Allove (81 facets). All said that they are the best, but it is more like a "they cut it, and they said it" scenario, unlike 57 facets, which has been standing there for so long as the standard.

The one thing that makes the diamond to have optimum performance is the proportions and the cut precision. Diamonds with excellent proportions will be called Ideal Cut, while diamonds that are Ideal Cut + excellent optical proportions, we will call it Super Ideal Cut, aka Heart & Arrows. Few reputable vendors for Hearts & Arrows include:
Brian Gavin Diamonds (affiliate link)
WhiteFlash (affiliate link)
High Performance Diamonds
Jann Paul

You may refer to my blog post here.

I got mine from WhiteFlash and I set it locally by iDo Jewellery.

You may read about my experience with WhiteFlash here.

As for Heart Shape Diamonds, I was told that you have to view the actual diamond to see if you like it or not, and it is not as easy to choose as round brilliant. I have replied to another forumer here regarding Heart Shape Diamonds here.

Nevertheless, at the end of the day, it depends on what you like. And remember, everything looks beautiful in the shop. You probably can request the salesperson to view the diamond in the shop's back office, or go view under direct sunlight. It may help you to see which one can perform the best under various environments.s

And yes, certificates are important. Reputable labs include GIA and AGS. Some other labs may have standards that are not that strict, so have to beware.

Good luck and all the best!

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Jun 8 2017, 11:46 AM
kambingkoh
post Jun 8 2017, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(eateat @ Jun 8 2017, 01:44 PM)
Hi Hi

Thanks for the information.  Now i know diamond a little better..  so in general, ideal cut is more important right as it gives better shines? 

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Yes, you are correct. wink.gif

You can also go to Audreys to do price survey as well. Other overseas websites such as Enchanted Diamonds, Bluenile, JamesAllen, WhiteFlash, Brian Gavin, High Performance Diamonds can also give you a rough estimate of diamond price. Just need to convert the price to RM.

You may noticed that Super Ideals (WhiteFlash A-Cut-Above, Brian Gavin Signature, Black by Brian Gavin, etc) selling price will usually be more expensive than normal Ideals because they take longer time to polish and there will be more diamond wasted to achieve the best optical precision possible.

For normal Ideal GIA, I think Bluenile is a good place to survey. You can consider to focus on their Signature diamond pricing.

Hope this helps. Good luck!
kambingkoh
post Jun 9 2017, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(eateat @ Jun 8 2017, 05:27 PM)
Hi Hi

Yes... Audrey offers a good place to survey the price of the diamonds...  as for the price... so far i saw 0.5 starts from 9k to 14k... 0.7 starts from 15k... cry.gif
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Lol. Just set a budget and stick to it bro. If 50-pointers and 70-pointers are too expensive, you can always consider 30-pointers or 40-pointers. There are better ways to spend the money saved. wink.gif
kambingkoh
post Jun 9 2017, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(eateat @ Jun 9 2017, 08:52 AM)
i am looking between 0.55-0.69...  budget below 15k.. gonna need alot of patient in this...  not an easy task.. haha
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Time for some affiliate work:

Here are 2 diamonds that I picked from Black by Brian Gavin. Both are affiliate links (which means I will earn some commission if you buy via either links).

USD 2853 + USD 44 shipment (approximate) = USD 2897 (Convert to MYR + GST = RM 13292.04)
0.593 F VS1

USD 2891 + USD 44 shipment (approximate) = USD 2935 (Convert to MYR + GST = RM 13466.40)
0.604 E VS2

I would prefer the F VS1 over the E VS2. You may think that the price is not worth it for that F VS1 because for that price, it is close to the 60-pointer. If we based on market price, yes, it is not worth it because 0.593 is almost there, but not there yet. However, if we go into the details, you will noticed that the F VS1 is actually larger face-up compared to the E VS2.

F VS1 : 5.39 x 5.42 x 3.34
E VS2 : 5.38 x 5.40 x 3.33

The actual reason I will choose 0.593ct over the 0.604ct is because the H&A and idealscope of the 0.593ct looks better than the 0.604ct. But if you want paper value, then 0.604ct maybe a better choice because it is a 60-pointer.

Ring setting price may vary from RM 1000 - RM 3000 and beyond (I assume starting price is more expensive since the carat size is bigger).

You can consider settings from:
1. Memory Jewellery
2. Eumayco
3. iDo Jewellery
4. Frou Frou

Memory Jewellery should provide the best value, but I would recommend you to check with each of them first before making the final decision.

Ok, that's all with my affiliate work.

In case you need any help, even from other jewellers, feel free to let us know. wink.gif


kambingkoh
post Jun 9 2017, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(eateat @ Jun 9 2017, 10:47 AM)
That's true...  now i started looking at VS1/VS2 the price difference is quite alot compared to VVS1/2.  Color wise i still sticking with D-F..  but i want nicely cut .. hehe..  using the GIA cut score tool sent by kambingkoh..  very useful for ppl like me
wow.. this is interesting that your diamond hunting experience get you a new level of exposure into diamond business...  it is cool...  i will look at Brian Gavin later and the two stones that you recommended. 

By the way, can i ask both of you about florescence .....  after google it.. i still don't know whether it is good or bad... Audrey's website will show the range from None - Strong - Faint ....  damn it...  sounds so alien to me
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Master bb100 has explained thoroughly.
kambingkoh
post Jun 9 2017, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(shinobikit @ Jun 9 2017, 05:25 PM)
Bro....

Honestly speaking from my own experience, girl dont care what spec or how good is the diamond spec, all they care just how big is it and how shine it is visually....

So.... my advice... just buy the diamond ring that you feel visually nice within your budget....
I spent almost 1 months plus studying on diamond.... end up she just dont give a f to how good the spec of diamond...
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It is actually a pretty good advice to buy something visually nice and within budget.

Gf dont give a f, you can always come here and we won't send you fly kite. wink.gif

 

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