With duration of 9 weeks for such results is consider good. Furthermore now is the main mating season. All new bird farms will have very low increment. After June your farm's bird population will increase faster than now.

The hygrostat/humidistat / humidity controller. I've ask my friend to find the product in China. If he can find one then budget is below RM500 I asked him to buy 2 units. He'll be back after 5 days. The local supplier selling too expensive but the product is great. With 2 meter length sensor. So the sensor can put at nesting plank for best results. The accuracy range is +-1%. Price is RM850 including shipping. The RM550 is their old model stopped selling now. That one only build in sensor. Same like the type Nest Tech build-in their humidifiers. Accuracy range is +-15%. That's way inaccurate. It works like a timer switch but it trigger by environment humidity. If we set the trigger % to 80%RF. It will stop sending power to humidifier when the humidity reach 80%RF. Will start the humidifier when environment humidity is less than 80%RF. You know we can't predict the weather humidity. Sometimes the time suppose to be less humid but the humidity appear high. Such as on rainy days, even after rain we can't predict how long the humidity will stay high. Over humid for a period of time will result in nests become yellowish colour. The grade drop then price per kilogram also drop lah. If humidity not enaugh also the nests will become smaller, thinner, got gaps between the strands. If too dry nests will easily crack, some fall to the ground and in some cases the shape not nice. Not half cup shape. Another good thing is if you can maintain stable humidity. Mean the environment humidity not go up and down too much. The swiftlets will feel very comfortable. Swiftlets will build bigger, thicker, heavier nests. According to Nest Tech, in this situation you will get weight increase of 10%-15% more weight for same numbers of nests than before. E.g. normally you need around 120 nests to make up 1kg. Fore nests build in stable humidity/temperature maybe you only need 105-110 nests to make 1 kilogram.

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- Local selling how much?
- if i got 2 floors, means i have to buy 2 right?
- you mean the sensor only can detect 2 meters only?

Local selling RM850.
The hygrostat come in few models. Cheapest 1 is RM850 with 13amps plug. Max can control up to 2 units of humidifier. If 2 floors you have to buy 2. Because 1 unit only 1 sensor. Can sense 1 floor only. Correction the sensor wire is 3 meter long.

This post has been edited by seeseng: Apr 16 2007, 10:22 AM

my humidfier is located on the 2nd floor. So if i buy 2 hygrostat, how do i connect it because the distance is too long.

Another problem is... my farm is quite long. So in every floor, if i put 1 hygrostat, i dun think is enuff. Is it correct?

If it is correct, means in each floor, i need to buy >1 hygrostat right? then how do they get connected??

What type of humidifier are you using? How many unit? How long and wide is your farm? Floor to nesting plank how high? If you have 2 floors you need to put 1 hygrostat each lah. Each floor sure different humidity level. So for 2 hygrostat you can use/control up to 4 humidifiers. Each floor 2 units.

Hi seeseng.

I using those humidifier like starbucks / coffeebean. They will spray tiny water drops...
I use one unit control 2 floors. Currently i'm using timer to control it. So like now if the temp is gettin hotter, i have to adjust to spray more frequently... so thats not really accurate.

If not mistaken, my farm is 20 x 80 (i think)

The hygrostat control the power to the pump. Since you only have 1 pump you'll only need 1 hygrostat. Hygrostat will stop the pump when the sensor sense the humidity level you set. To purchase hygrostat locally you can email markindo88@yahoo.com Mr. Alan to order. Price RM850 including postage.

This post has been edited by seeseng: Apr 18 2007, 02:46 AM

bro remember to tell me on ur exprience on the hygrostat oh hehehe, yea regarding my place there just came back with the readings, 33.5 C n 90% higest reading, min reading is 28.5 C n 68% so in that case the min i think should be nite time dy ler haha coz my timer never set for it to work at nite, any idea to bring down the heat ? like extra layer at the celling top or fan mayb ??? wat is the most ideal opening for the birds to fly in ?? hight from the ground lvl to the place where the hole is located at, and the turning point / partition of S curve? really need to save that place up coz its still empty

Who will help you to do the renovation??

Your first and foremost problem to overcome is the high temperature. What's the size of your farm? What type of building? Concrete or wood? What type of roof top? Zinc / asbestos or flat concrete? There are various types of farm cooling method. Combination of few types should produce the best results.
1) Roof top water sprinkler (Can be timer controlled if use electric water pump)
2) Turbine ventilator. Draw out hot air from internal to external. Need to install grill on the ceiling and duct direct to roof top. (Quite costly but no power needed. Number of unit depend on size of farm)
3) Exhaust fan. (Cheap, can be timer controlled. Choose the type with grills both side. Pic attached is Khind 10" VF100)
4)Sufficient 4" PVC pipe type ventilation holes.

I've seen farms using extra layer of fiber glass or polystyrine on the ceiling as ceiling heat insulation but they're not so effective if the roof is zinc. The insulation slower the heat from outside to enter but also slower the heat from inside to go away. Because sometimes heat also come from not only the roof but the walls as well. Insulated ceiling may cause a situation they called "Microwave effect" where internal a lot hotter than outside. If your roof is "A" shape type then put insulation layer at the area ceiling nearest to roof. I've tested mine with infrared thermometer. Ceiling nearest to roof are hottest.

According to successful farmers currently the best type of entrance hole is :
1)Open roof top entrance. - This is one of the favourite. Entrance size as big as 6'x6'. Since rain will direct go in you'll need a water pool and draining system down the entrance. Problem with this type is theft and air current not stable.
2)Dog kennel/Tower - Another favourite. Swiftlet feel safer nesting inside. But take few days time for new swiftlets to familiarize with the entrace and fly path.
You may see side window entrance at old farms but it's not recommended for new farms.
It's recommended to use mid range/long range tweeters at the entrace.

"turning point / partition of S curve" I think that area is what they call roving area. An area between nesting area and entrance hole. This area should be painted black/cave like colour. Roving area is for young birds to learn to fly and others to socialize. The S curve act as light barrier into nesting area as they need very dark in nesting area. Bear in mind this species of swiftlet need 4-5 feet to make a turn. You should have proper facing tweeters to guide the birds from entrance into roving area then guide them into nesting area.

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ohh ok its a concrete building with the asbestos celling hmmm measurement ar haha if not mistaken it a 20 X 70 ft building, currently the opening is haha as u mentioned above part of the window are opened to allow the birds to fly in. that is why i am planing to remake the entrance hole seeking for advice. hm the roving area u mean once from the entrance around 4-5 ft to the partition ??? how bout the opening of the partition if not mistaken my partition has 4ft to let the birds fly into the nesting part

If concrete building it should be easier to solve problem than wooden building. 33.5 C & 90%RF indicates the high humidity is holding up heat. You need to vent the hot wet air out. For 20x70 ft farm your ideal roving area size should be around 20x10 to 20x15. Inside roving area can also install nesting planks. Some birds will build nest there as well though it's not so dark.

This post has been edited by seeseng: Apr 23 2007, 08:30 PM

S curve is what i'm practising now...

My license is almost out... still hold by the guy who approve it...
Guess i have to meet him up la... have to belanja him kopi again...

Now they came out with a new stupid law... if downstairs doing cyber cafe, cannot do swiftlet farming... gila or not...

lolz where u located at ??? this law is just dumb hahaha wats the diff with cc n the birds, but actually if the cc is just too packed and alot of kiddos screaming... gona scare ur birdys away man haha.... by 20 u mean the entrance to the partition board den 10 ?? haha

I'm from pahang.... no worries... my floors are sound proof...

They will create more and more stupid rules... why, cos by doing this they will earn more and more extra income...

Now they say clinic, coffee shop and cc are not allowed to build swiftlet farm...
So for those people who have swiftlet and their shop downstairs is doing those business.. they will go bribe them for approval...

wahahhahaha over here in perak, so far i only know restaurants arent not allowed the rest so far no problem wo kakakaka my frens owns 1 oso downstairs is a cc lol, lets hope they never disturbe la

It's very sad that swiftlet farmers are forced to bribe the authorities just to pass their licenses. Through export of edible bird nests each year swiftlet farming industry help the country earn hundred millions of foreign currency. Swiftlet farming help a great deal in protecting an endangered species from extinction. Before we have swiftlet farming in house, those swiftlet in natural habitat become lesser and lesser each year cause by human uncontrolled harvesting of bird nests from caves. After in house swiftlet farming started the numbers of swiftlet has increased. The swiftlets are not in captivity. They're free to go for food searching. It's a humble job of wildlife preservation. In exchange we only take swiftlet unwanted used nest. Doesn't this job deserve to be respected? Or the authorities think it's more important to spend millions for 1 person to go eat roti canai in space? Or spend great deal of $ sending mat rempits to north pole to jump parachute?
New updates: My friend back from China & found a supplier for hygrostat. 2 units of demo units will arrive early May.

hahahha today i heard from 1 of my fren that one of his site, got those "big boss" come n collect protection money lolz i just got shocked n laughed away...he say that the whole city is under his protection n my fren needs to pay coz he has a farm at his place. what this world has become aih~~~ stupid ah bengz ( sorry no offence ) even this is abit off topic but yea just dont pay those buggers rather make a police report on them.... oh yea the hygrostat how much is it wo ur fren bringing in, 500 ??

The price for hygrostat is still unknown. My friend's supplier will negotiate the best price with China manufacturer. For sure cheaper than local supplier.


http://www.ratuwalet.com/contact.html
Look they have a course to make normal nest become blood nest.
"kursus memerahkan sarang walet"
If not mistaken the course cost US$1100 for 30 minutes course.

This post has been edited by seeseng: Apr 26 2007, 01:58 PM