well it's those type of pre-war terrace houses, with those 5-kaki side walks. maybe you wont see much of it in kl, but penang and other small towns still have many of these.

i don't really know how to measure the loudness but i can say that even if you stand 5 houses away, you can hear it loud and clear.

Hi seeseng,

All my farms are not yet full. There's still quite a fair bit of space for new swiftlets to nest in. According to the timetable given to me, I go in to both my farms once  month to collect the nests. My 5 year old farm is doing better than my 3 year old farm, as can be expected - about 4 to 5kgs from the 5 year old one and 1 to 1.5kgs for the 3 year old one. Even if they both don't upgrade (touch wood... hehe), I'm really happy with their performance... the farms have helped me pay ofs the construction and design costs as well as have become valuable assets for me to leave to my 4 children when I'm gone. However, I'm feeling abit daring again to establish another farm... but my wife is really nagging me about not taking aon ny more chllenges and to stick to my retirement... just as well, got to get my colestrol level lower.

Well, your farm sounds a bit small, but the size should't matter much. What I've learnt about successful swiftlet farms is that as long as you get the design of your farm correct and that it's not noo hot,  even swiftlet farms that have internal temperatures of more than 32 degrees celsius have swiftlets breeding in them. The most important thing is that we must install a reliable and good swiftlet sound system together with high quality tweeters in the farm in order to attract swiftlets to breed in them.

Just like my accounting profession, the use of advance accounting software allowed my firm to compile accounting information more quickly and efficiently as compared to recording the transactions by hand. a good swiftlet sound system together with high-end tweeters will be able to play swiftlet chirps more clearly and realistically than an average sound system ever will. Try not to use cheaper alternatives if you can... IC callers, DVD players, CD players, modified car amplifiers just can't compete when a new swiftlet farm that has a good swiftlet sound system is set-up close to yours.

All in all, I purchased about 100 litres of CS Mating Potion and sprayed the solution according to the timetable given to me by the poeple at Crystal Swiftlets. From my observations over these last few years, the mating potion actually works. Many swiftlets from other farms that flew into my new farms when I had turned on the swiftlet sound tended to stay and breed within my farms very quickly and stopped going back to their old ones. The visiting swiftlets really like like the aroma from the mating potions. At the same time, after every breeding cycle, I go into my farms and spray the mating potions all over so that when the baby swifts leave my farms to fly off, they will not be able to get used to any other farms that do not spell like mine. It's really working so far, as I see alot of baby swiftlets returning to my farms in the evenings. I know this strategy sounds devious, but it's free competition right? Also, one good thing about Crystal Swiftlets, is that they assured me that they have a company policy not to sell the mating solution to any farms within 5 km vicinity of mine. As long as this policy doesn't change, I'm quite confident that my farms will continue to grow and update.

Meranti Bukit should be alright as nesting planks. Swiftlets have sharp claws so they can pearch on anything that is abit rough. You are headed in the correct direction. Keep up the ethusiasm. Your farm will definitely reward you in the near future.

Sam

How much $ is a swiftlet chirping CD sell in market?

The CS mating potion is the one to spray on walls and floor(Product code MS-88). Not nesting plank. They have another type specially for nesting plank(code LNP-25). This one only to cover up the newly sawed wood smell. Meranti wood has very little smell but the newly sawed part will have something like burnt smell that swiftlet don't like. The potion is for faster cover up those smell. There is alternative for nesting plank potion. Experienced farmers use the water from soaking bird nest in cleaning process, filter up the feathers then spray the nesting planks with pressure spray. Some of them add those broken pieces of nest that do not have economy value into the water. Boil for few hours until the nest completely melt into the water. Cool down the water and spray on planks where no nest build there before. From experience we know area that already have nests before are easier to have nests build there. So they figure out it's the smell of old nest that attract new birds the build nest in that area.

CS mating potion is NOT ammonia. Ammonia+water only use in new farms to remove cement and other chemical smell like turning new farm into old farm and the price is way cheaper than mating potion. Mating potion=Perangsang walet where they call in Indonesia is a mix of liquid that contain smell swiftlets like.

Myself don't use ammonia for the whole place because my store-room farm is wooden and it's very old. I sprayed a bit ammonia on area I found rat droppings to cover up the smell.

The ammonia was from Nest Tech. Other farmer bought gave me a little.
Crystal's Grade A customers should be those hire them to be consultant of their farms I think. MSC-87 is older formula potion. For MS-88 you try to ask Sam to buy for you.
Alternatively you may try Nest Tech's potions.
1) Bird environment smell liquid - RM340 / 4 Liter (Extract from bird droppings)
2) Fast grow mating potion RM340/4Liter (Half potion mix half water)
3) Bird Nest hormone Liquid RM280/5Liter (1000ml potion+500ml-800ml water)
4) Bird ammonia - RM220/5L (1000ml ammonia mix 500ml water)

[attachmentid=229215]Currently I haven't bought any potion. My plank work is still pending. My tukang kayu have undergoing project in hand. Only will come next week. I'm planning to buy the Bird Nest Hormone Liquid from Nest Tech as it has most of the characteristic of the other potions. For my farm size 1 bottle should last 3-4 months.

Hi Weihowe,

The CS Mating Potion that I use in my farm is not ammonia based. According to the guys at Crystal Swiftlets, the potion is made up of totally herbal and organic base ingredients. It's a patented product from their partner company in Thailand and it's not supposed to contain anything chemical at all or else it will be quite harmful to swiftlets.

I do know what you mean about ammonia solutions that are being sold in the market nowadays. My friend bought a few bottles and used it in his farm, totally terrible. The solution really hurts the eyes, and if we feel the effects, I'm quite sure that swiftlets will feel it too... although I don't have any documentary evidence to prove so... hehe.

Just ask them for the CS Mating Potion... it's to be sprayed on the walls to age the cement and make the new swiftlet farm feel like a natural old habitat to the swiftlets. From the performance of my farms, it really helps. It's not for the nesting planks, the smell is too strong. You should use the nesting plank solution from Crystal Swiftlets instead for this purpose.

Regards,
Sam

Have you done swiftlet counting in the early morning that come out from the entrance? You'll need the few days result in order to decide what to do next. The potion thing won't work if the basics are not achieved. Such as proper sound, interior designs, temperature etc.  What I can tell you is there are very successful example and not so successful example of potion users. There's 1 long term farmer. Increase the bird stay from 50 to 700 in 9 months time with CS mating potion. There's another one after spraying potion, swiftlet stay become lesser. There's another one used it for a few months. His result is "no significant increase" as the company who's selling it claim "500% increase"

Early morning entrance bird count is one of the method of bird couting without the need to enter the farm for base/nest counting or droppings couting. Even we enter the farm after the birds go out. Will still leave our human scent in the farm that make new coming birds feel uneasy. It's fact that only 30%-33% of staying birds build nests. For example 100 birds staying will have about 30-33 nests. Sometimes the numbers won't match maybe you have 200 staying birds but nests built only 30.  In this case mean you have a lot of so call "lonely birds". 
Definition of "Lonely Birds" :-
1)Birds not mature enaugh to mate yet.
2) Birds haven't found the right partner yet.
3) Birds that partner died or MIA (Swiftlets are lifetime soul mate)
4) Too old bird they stop breeding.

In case number 2 some said the use of mating potion will make them feel the need to find a partner fast. (According to mating potion sellers lah)

Temperature not same for 2 floors is considered normal. Lower floor will sure have lower temperature. The floor that taking direct sun light from the top will be hotter. As long as you can maintain below 30 degree during hottest time of the day should be ok.

The swiftlet become lesser case is results compared within one same week. I've read back the progress of the farm. It's steadily increasing now but 500% seems like a dream. Hard to achieve in real life.

Hi Seeseng,

I heard the regulations & restrictions itoday too. Its for Pahang. I guess farming in fact still better done on rural area as it has more vegetation. Do you know how much it cost to employ carpenter to do the nesting plank?

regards

Hi guys, can I joint you guys with the CD exchange? This way. we can add our collection in a cheaper way.  Even though I live in Indonesia, I think the postage is still a lot cheaper than buying new ones.

Hi, seeseng,weihow n liurmas.

I will be sending u guys a cd (burned copy)which I do a birds test which it attracted hundreds of birds (in 10 minute only) some even came so close to me 1 feet away they tho i am a walking farm. THIS is A POWERFUL CD which cost 2k++++ which I begged from a owner (fren) of a very successful farm. Finally he sell to me. U try u will know!

Please provide add, contact n tel.

At the same time please send cd  to me at : 16 jalan USJ 16/2h, USJ Subang Jaya
476100, Selangor ,Malaysia. tel: 012-3173811.

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Added on May 29, 2007, 11:19 am
My post code Is : 47610  NOT 476100 Sorry for the error

weihow,

I tho u r from east coast. My office is at S.Alam. I will burn the CD  once ready I will let you know.

What business r u doing? I am running my own company . I supply Hotel Amenities.

Received your CDs today. Haven't test power yet. Sent you 3 CDs by Poslaju today to your Mentakab address. The address no mistake? House number then taman name then Mentakab. No street number?

For tight budget I also choose to buy the hormone from Nest Tech. It's RM280 for 5L or 4.5L? Their quotation to me stated 5L.
What type of potion your consultant sprayed? If it's 30 days potion then wait after 30 days to spray the hormone lah. No need to waste.

For tight budget I also choose to buy the hormone from Nest Tech. It's RM280 for 5L or 4.5L? Their quotation to me stated 5L.
What type of potion your consultant sprayed? If it's 30 days potion then wait after 30 days to spray the hormone lah. No need to waste.

I bought 2 Liter gardening pressure spray for that purpose. Come with metal nozzle. Price forgot. Less than RM10 lah. How your tweeters facing? Only 1 side? Both sides or multiple sides?

Weihow,

Nice talking to u That day. Please check yr mail I need your address, Still have not received yr cds. U should try the Indon's way no harm trying. I told seeseng already. Very cheap one no need hormone spray n 100% enviroment frenly.
I have been to Mentakab plenty of house swiftlets but A.F I am not sure. Its a good
place, but for sure one thing we must use tecnology in order to be in front right!
Seeseng,

Check your gmail,

How is your farm? Sound blast tested?  How is the tanki doing?
Do u put swiftlet shit in your farm? not all shit r good shit (Ha ha ha)there is one sucessful farm in Taiping selling but not cheap. Nestect also selling?