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Wranger
post Apr 10 2007, 11:42 PM

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I've been following the Dota scene around the world for quite some time now. Replays from Europe, US, Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, you name it, I probably had watched them before. This list is compiled after watching the rather recent Autosurf tournament, and why I think Malaysians' downright arrogant and ignorance when it comes to improving.

Ok, some might say that, yeah, Malaysia's Dota community is going the right way. Meh, took them more than 3-4 months to notice that Bristleback is more than imbalanced is not much of an improvement to me. The problem is Malaysian clans are mostly too ignorant to take notice that, while certain heroes work in EU/US games, they might be applicable to the Asian scene. But no, teams scoff the ideas, listing something like "EU/US = Noobs, we = pro, therefore BB only good coz they noobs." Ignorance at the highest degree? Obviously.

Let me start my list off with a hero that most teams still pick.

Viper. Goddammit, what an embarrassment to the drafting community. What it will take for you guys to understand that this hero is already nerfed since a few versions ago and is no more than a glass cannon now. DO PEOPLE NOT KNOW THAT VIPER SUCKS NOW? Still picking it and insisting on using items to save its ass? Come on, be smart and grow up. Train another solo hero for your own sake. Heroes like Silencer , Shadow Fiend, or whatever are much much better heroes to solo nowadays. I know you guys are not used to it but who gives a damn when you lose?

Bear. ROFL x3 kknp. Does it take a genius to figure out that this hero is virtually a useless early game now? The recent change logs renders it an OK mid to late game hero. Lvl 1-6 without entangling roots just make it so easy to die against better lane opponents. Look at Zenith vs eNe lately, Ant's bear just can't do shit against his opponents. Farming Radiance in 40 minutes doesn't help him, because he dies to like what? 3 nukes? Not to mentioned he was relegated to full time neutraling because whenever he goes to a lane he gets nuked to oblivion. He can't farm , he can't tank for the team and he just feeds in that game. Time to move on? Duh.

The Bristleback "problem". Took you guys this long to figure this one out? If you guys could just be a little more clever to log into the DA website and download their competitive Dota replays, the Bristleback problem may already be unearthed ages ago and someone would actually ban it already.

Bottle. Does anyone in Malaysia uses this now? Or you guys just do not know it existed in the first place? While I heard some teams has had some positive results using it in SCRIMS, I don't see why they refused to use it in real tournaments. Oh wait, I forgot Malaysians are NOTORIOUS for their INABILITY to DARE. CHANGE = RESISTED. HELP = SCOFFED. Lol? Looking at the better part of EU/US, they had been exploiting Bottle like mad people, almost every Shadow Fiend player gets it, almost every good team which utilize gank style heroes gets it.

Shadow Fiend. The only Shadow Fiend I saw is one that went Necromastery + Stats. =\ READ THE CHANGELOG. Shadowraze now costs a measly 75 mana at ALL LEVELS. That's potentially 900 damage for 225 mana. Imba? DUH. Not to mention BOTTLE totally solves his mana problems and gives him BOTH lane control power and ganking potential. The so-called "KING" of uber solo t3h imba Viper has no chance against a well-played Shadow Fiend. Don't believe me? Go try. Don't come around crying saying, omg j00 nub, Viper is t3h pawnzor, you nub no know how to use Viper kk. Wanna try? PM me. GGC only.

Playstyle. This one makes me fume. READ THE CHANGELOGS AGAIN PLEASE. All Icefrog did since 6.32b is to create an environment where the game ends quick. Almost every new release saw the average game play reduced due to the extra incentives for teams to push fast in every game. Western teams responded to this call , did Malaysians? Malaysians still cling onto "we wait till Skadi out on Qop at 40 min only push" mentality. Not to mention, dead towers = skadi faster. I have seen teams getting Skadi consistently at the 32-35 minute mark because his team has been pushing towers down like madmen. In case you guys are blind, Zenith was utterly destroyed by the 35th min every game against Western teams lately. So, adapt your gameplay or die clinging on to it.

If anyone has questions as to why I had said the above things, they are welcome to ask me. However, I will not entertain stupid or unintelligible posts, or noobs who can't read. So there.
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post Apr 11 2007, 03:24 AM

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QUOTE(Odin` @ Apr 11 2007, 01:30 AM)
Both are good posts if you ask me wink.gif

Btw what i can say about malaysian dota scene is that gamers dont really have the time/effort to explore new strats. Its not that we cling to our old strats but its rather there are very few competitions around. I think in 1 year theres at most 5 dota competitions thats worth forming a team and joining.

Since last year's SMM and WCG i think most of the top teams disbanded and didnt really improve from then on. And not many new teams are formed also, basically the community is shrinking. Whats the reason for this you may ask. The main reason is that theres no competition to look out for after that.

So every once in a while when a competition pops up, gamers will frantically form new teams or just gather a few friends and "prepare" for the upcoming competition. Basically taking all the old strats and try to mix with some other countries' strats. However, usually we dont have enough time to figure out these new strats or heroes lmao tongue.gif
Therefore, we will end up using old strats , old heroes and old playstyle. For the fortunate few that have the time to pickup new strats they usually wins smile.gif

Im really envious of other dota players around the world because they have so much exposure to tournaments and media. For malaysian gamers we usually do it out of our own free time to play competitively, while others mostly plays for fun.

So why do you have to come and rant about your playstyle and strats smile.gif
You can just advice us eloquently or even better update us periodically with your knowledge biggrin.gif


Anyways thanks for your input to malaysian dota community.
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I would, if I don't get the usual 'j00 nubcake' kinda treatment everytime I try to open my mouth.

I am surprised and somewhat glad that to see that my points are well taken, and no flames thrown back at me. Was expecting flames, but then again, this is a good sign that there are people out there that are willing to take advice, FINALLY, for once.

The thing with the Dota community in Malaysia, regardless of the competitive or non-competitive scene (Public games if you may) are littered with people who constantly have a stuck mentality of resisting change. Most people that I had talked to, would almost always turn back and say the same things that I had listed in my above post. Either that, they would go like "OH REALLY?" and then follow it up with "BUT THIS IS MALAYSIA WOH" or "I PREFER TO HAVE MY OWN STYLE". The even sadder part is that, the people who said that to me happened to be my own friends in their own teams, or my own teammates. =\

I think it is time we pick what we see best in what the Westerners do, and try to work it into our current style of play. One of the people in the DA forums said this, "We had already took the best elements of the Asian game and incorporated into our game." He was referring to the 3-1-1 laning, the QoP factor and others.

In terms of skill, I don't see any Asian losing to Westerners. But Westerners are always up to date in hero changes, map changes, item changes, and so on. I was told that players playing in IHCS (In-house League for Europeans, Americans had started to play there as well) are given the chance to draft heroes all the time. They have a player drafting system as well. 2 Captains are assigned and then are given the task of drafting their players, after that, a BOT will randomly select heroes, and then the 2 Captains will have to draft heroes from the pool selected. The way I see it, this gives the Westerners a huge advantage in training how to draft heroes. They are more exposed to different heroes that are normally not seen in draft matches, and this gives them an edge in knowing probably which hero is better. An idea for the current IHL in BS? Maybe.

That is all for the time being I guess. If the people in Malaysia are as open as Odin and Iblis, I don't think we would have the problem we are facing now. Meh.

 

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