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post Jun 20 2018, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Jun 19 2018, 01:38 PM)
i just read bible recently

1 part i really dun understand until now:
In the Gospel of John, when asked about the traitor, Jesus states: “It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.” Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Supper#P...s'_betrayal
my question:

when asked who is the trailor, jesus said whoever i give the bread , he is traitor..he then give to judas..

so now on the table every apostle knows the traitor...yet they do nothing and just keep quiet?

to me they are: oh judas is traitor..ok continue eating...seriously?
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That's because Judas has yet to betray Jesus Christ, so it's was impossible for the apostles to know what Jesus was talking about it then. Everyone is innocent until proven otherwise was already at play during that time. Can you follow so far ?

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post Jun 21 2018, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(judehow @ Jun 19 2018, 11:03 AM)
How can we feel that jesus presents or not went we pray and talk to him ?
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You got love ❤️ Jesus Christ onot ? I tell you if you really really love ❤️ Him, sure got feel one.
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post Jun 21 2018, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(judehow @ Jun 21 2018, 10:55 PM)
Yes I love jesus christ I every day talk to him but I can't sense his presence 😥.
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Eh something wrong. Hmmmm u read got the Holy Bible anot ? Everyday ?

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post Jun 21 2018, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(judehow @ Jun 21 2018, 11:12 PM)
Normally I pray hear pray on you tube, I did download some apps  to Listen to pray. As for Bible  is not don't want to read but I could not understand I did try.
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Sorry hor .... YouTube etc etc all cannot work one ...waste time only .... talk to Jesus Christ also cannot work one because that's not love ❤️ hor ....

Ok u say got read Holy Bible but don't understand ok. But u got ask Catholic priest to explain what u don't understand anot ?

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post Jun 21 2018, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(judehow @ Jun 21 2018, 11:20 PM)
I did not the priest this question why I can't understand reading the Bible.
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No no I not ask u ask that question .... u ask the Catholic priest like that sure lar he cannot answer u one .... u must be specific to the Scriptures itself .... ok now I ask u instead and u can answer whatever comes to mind ....

1. What do u think is the greatest commandment ?

2. Why do you want to love ❤️ Jesus ?

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post Jul 7 2018, 12:26 PM

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Question : How does one love God ?

Answer : "Love the Lord your God, with all your heart ❤️, with all your mind, with all your soul and with all your strength 💪. This is the greatest and the most important commandment." ~ Jesus Christ
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post Jul 10 2018, 06:12 AM

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QUOTE(khool @ Jul 9 2018, 12:36 PM)
The Gift of Love

1 Corinthians 13:1-13 (NRSVCE)

If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast,but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end. For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love.

... Amen! biggrin.gif
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That was indeed nice, Khool, although the definition of love was expanded, it still cannot match the breadth and depth of the Greatest Commandment.
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post Jul 12 2018, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Jul 12 2018, 10:22 AM)
Hello all.....wasssuppp....  Have a good one.

From an evil Catholic destined to go to hell......  smile.gif
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Hi Bro, I am curious why do you say that your destined to go where no right-minded Roman Catholic would ever want to for all eternity ?
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post Jul 12 2018, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Jul 12 2018, 02:32 PM)
Aaahh...because I am a sinner. And I cant forgive myself of my sins, so if I cant forgive myself, how is God gonna forgive me. Eternal loop of damnation.
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Oops I forgotten welcome to our Catholic forum.

Don't worry about you not being able to forgive your own sin and neither should any of us too, for scriptures says only God can forgive our sins.

Our primary concern while on earth 🌏, should be towards forgiving those who have sinned against us, in order or so that our Heavenly Father will forgive our sin.

Can follow so far ?

Eternal damnation is not possible, when repentance is still possible. Eternal damnation is only possible when the act of repentance towards God can no longer be performed.

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post Jul 17 2018, 01:40 PM

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It's perplexing to me why the guy in the video is interested in hell.

I don't know others but my household and I are aiming for the gates of heaven, so that if we should miss 1 gate, we should hit the other gate beside.

Any thing else other then heaven is strictly non-negotiable ! Then again, maybe we're not as adventurous like that guy in the video.

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post Jul 17 2018, 02:41 PM

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Very true Hades76 there's no harm. Conversely it can also be said if there no benefit why bother. Might as well focus on things which really matters for the little time that we have.
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post Jul 18 2018, 11:55 AM

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Aaaahhhh the carrot 🥕 and the cane trick, totally forgotten about it.

Growing up with the cane and later enforcement, the cane is pretty effective or so I thought.

Then in the real world I've learnt the carrot 🥕 trick and it is way better than the cane for it's long term solutions.

I use the carrot trick exclusively now and it's extremely effective and efficient more than ever, be it for children or adults. Surely one will see the striking similarity with the following:-

"God gave the Law through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." ~ John the Baptist

As for hell, the furthest I will ever go and have ever gone is this, place of total absence of the presence of God. Period. Curiosity always kills the cat 🐱!

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post Jul 18 2018, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jul 18 2018, 02:23 PM)
• everlasting fire
• everlasting punishment
• eternal condemnation
• the fire that shall never be quenched
• their worm does not die
• unquenchable fire
• weeping and gnashing of teeth
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That's sure one long list and many examples to pick & choose from in teaching of the faith.

Why I chose the absence of God is this,

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul, but rather be afraid of God, who can destroy both body and soul in hell." ~ Jesus Christ

My understanding is this, once the soul is destroyed, there's nothing else, vanished completely without any trace whatsoever, something similar to like that of MH370. Not that MH370 went to hell.

A soul that's banished to hell, will experience sufferings as can be seen from Scriptures, but it cannot be denied that in hell, it will be an experience of the absence of God too.

Yes, it does cause a spine-chilling effect when fully dramatized but that's not my intentions when I am call to teach the faith. The focus is on understanding exclusively the Word of God, on the route to the Kingdom of Heaven.

Thank you Yeeck, finally I've just realized what I should do with hell as a homework. "As for your homework, boys & girls, go and find out in the Bible what is hell like in the Gospel."

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post Jul 18 2018, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(khool @ Jul 18 2018, 05:47 PM)
And that is why I posted the video on St Thomas Aquinas' depiction of Hell
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No worries Khool, I understand.

There are many roads that leads to Rome but I've choosen the road that's hard with the narrow gate directly to our Father's Home 🏡.

The good thing that came out of this, is now I know exactly what I am going to do with Hell. 😊
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post Jul 19 2018, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(zamorin @ Oct 6 2017, 09:22 PM)
OK , you being an agnostic, you are the perfect person to be asked this puzzle:
[A] “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
[B] Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
[C] Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
[D] Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

― Epicurus
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Found this. Thought it would be good to discuss about it with reference to the Holy Bible especially, possible, impossible or inadvisable on the questions by Epicurus ?

Added [A], [B], [C] & [D] just for ease of reference.

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post Jul 19 2018, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(zamorin @ Jul 19 2018, 09:07 AM)
You are not asking me right? smile.gif
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Ooops how did you know ? 😊

It was meant to a discovery for answers to Epicurus question, among the Catholic brethren.

But if you want to answer the question with regard to the Holy Bible why not, I guess.

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post Jul 19 2018, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(zamorin @ Jul 19 2018, 12:53 PM)
But I am the one who stated the Epicurus riddle here, the 2000+ year old riddle is still a riddle because the theists have't/couldn't answered it yet, we atheists maintain there is no evidence of the existence of god/there is not god and is no longer a riddle to us. smile.gif
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Seriously it's 2000 year old riddle that nobody has cracked. Wow this ought to be real fun, I reckon, if permission is granted in the name for Catholic study.

No worries, I understand your position as an atheist, however for Scripture also says

"None of you will ever believe unless you see miracles and wonders." ~ Jesus Christ

I apologize then, for assuming that you could answer the riddle if you wanted to. 😊 That's the drawback writing online instead of an old fashion face-to-face conversation. 😉

Finally I have to ask you this question, why did you raise that Epicurus question to another who obviously does not believe in God ? Wouldn't the riddle continue to be unsolved ?

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post Jul 19 2018, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(khool @ Jul 19 2018, 09:43 AM)
Aren't all who follow Christ exhorted to enter the narrow gate and walk the narrow path anyways? biggrin.gif

Philippians 2:12 (NRSVCE)
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" ... Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed me, not only in my presence, but much more now in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; ... "

GB in your journey!
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Yes all who follow Christ ought to go through that narrow path alas, Scriptures also say

".... the road that leads to it is easy, and there are many who travel on it." ~ Jesus Christ

This "Danger" sign-post is peppered throughout Scriptures and it's with great pity and sadness when I see the multitude of sheep 🐑 still searching for our Good Shepherd.

God must not only bless me and you and a few others, God must bless everyone on earth 🌏, so that His great mercy will be seen by all.





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post Jul 19 2018, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(zamorin @ Jul 19 2018, 01:18 PM)
More or less the same thing is stated in other religious scriptures including the Quran and the Gita but they also are in opposition to each other.

and we had the so called Christian/other miracles even after Jesus was crucified, like the miracles that happens at our Lady of Lourdes  or Sai Baba (Hindu) miracles that has been exposed as frauds or statistically not a miracle at all.

It's best to consider if God exists before we get to which of the denominations is correct.

Here's the statistic:

There has been more than 500,000 religions in the world today (most of them extinct and all of them soon to be). All those 500,000 religions contradict each other. So just from the start the possibility of your religion (or any one religion) being correct is statistically less than 0.001%
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Ok I cannot and I won't comment on other religions, since I know absolutely nothing about them.

But I will share this 1 miracle with you, out of the few that I have personally witnessed that was done in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Has anyone who suffered a semi or partial stroke without any medical intervention whatsoever, make a complete and full recovery within 7 days ?

Well my father-in-law has and we praise Almighty God for it. Being a miser, we were up in arms with him and with his stubbornness, the only option left for us was to pray like mad. Really mad.

I am not good at statistics so I don't know how that works out but someone experiencing constant dizzynees, droopy face and loss of arm and feet sensations on the left side of his body simultaneously overnight and to recover within days without any medical intervention except for God, what's the probability again cause when I raise this up to the doctors I meet, they say it's impossible !

So the Scriptures is true

"What is impossible for man is possible for God." ~ Jesus Christ
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post Jul 19 2018, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(zamorin @ Jul 19 2018, 03:12 PM)
I can make it simpler. There are many such miracles attributed to others as there are to Jesus, here's the thing: No one can actually confirm or observe medical miracles such as curing heart-attacks, cancers or things that can't be seen and there can be other possible explanations but one thing all the miracles can't claim, which can be asserted visually. For example: Do yo know of anyone who can perform a miracle that grows back a limb, a hand or a leg of those who are handicapped or crippled? Now that would be a real miracle but none of them can do that but all of them can only claim to have performed miracles that cannot be verified.

The Hindu con-man Sai Baba has brought back people who are dead (like Jesus) and has performed a lot more "miracles" than Jesus Christ and he only died recently. Why don't you attribute divinity on him like you do to Jesus Christ? Afterall he had performed more miracles?
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Oh you are asking for that kind of miracle. There was one actually some 30 years ago.

A Down syndrome baby was found in the dumpster nearby an orphanage and the baby girl was discovered by 2 orphans while putting the garbage out.

A Catholic priest ordered for the baby girl to be brought in. When they saw the little child 👶, they understood why the little baby was dumped. This priest gathered other Catholic priests and they prayed and prayed and prayed.

The baby's faced began to change over a period of time and today she is a beautiful lady and smartest girl this country had ever seen. Scholarships were simply thrown at her feet by foreign governments just to attract her to their country.

This Catholic priest whom guided and taught me has since returned to the Lord.

A Down syndrome baby until to verious governments offering scholarships for her services in exchange. What are the odds of that happening ? Praise be to the Lord Jesus Christ.

From the Gospel, there's an account of a blind man who was born blind according to his parents testimony and the blind man could see again after his encounter with Jesus Christ who cured him of his blindness.

I suppose the above 2 will suffice at this juncture.

As for this person you've mentioned Sai Baba, like I've mentioned before I really do not know him. If I do not know him, why should I accord him a divinity status ? I must be even mad to that to someone I do not know, right ?

I am telling you the truth, I only know my Lord and my God, Jesus Christ who is my Teacher and He has taught me everything I know because He's alive.

All the miracles that has happened in His name, will never and can never be explained via science. Now that's a name I am willing to accord divinity with. Period. Since it ain't broken, no point fixing.

Here how's things going to play out.

When the time comes and you're really down in the pits plus all the sciences in world can no longer help you. You can choose to call upon Sai Baba's name or the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I recommend that you try out the earlier option and if that doesn't work that you know what that means. 😊

Thereafter, if you still up for it, you must humbly call upon the Lord Jesus Christ. After the miracle has been done for you, the option again is fully yours to repent or continue on your way. Now that's free will.

By the way, why did you write Sai Baba is a con-man ? Surely you don't expect me to accord a con-artist with divinity, right ?

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