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Chat PROTON CAR ACCIDENT - COMPILATION REAL WORLD CRASH, Preve, Suprima, Iriz, Persona (2nd Gen)

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post Sep 10 2017, 07:56 AM

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Are older cars more dangerous? - why the age of your car can be a risk factor in staying safe on the road. - the older the car you are in during a crash, the more likely it is, you'll come out dead
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post Sep 10 2017, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(Orangutara @ Aug 17 2017, 11:48 PM)
You are clearly an idiot. Do you know how to read? What is your level of education?

The former Audi's crash engineer was comparing between Iriz and Bezza crash test result and he explained why and how Bezza could score high points. It was due to WEIGHT.

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A short glance on Honda's website for Jazz and City reveals the weight for these two cars at only 1100 max as compared to Iriz which is 1180g, and Persona is 1210kg. This "duo" are the heaviest B-segment cars in the Malaysian market today.

In high speed collision between Iriz/Persona versus City/Jazz - the latter will suffer the most.

The models he mentioned is irrelevant, his elaboration on crash test technicalities is what matters.

The difference of weight between the Honda City and Proton Persona is glaring. More than 100 kg differences.

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SOURCE:
Jazz: https://www.honda.com.my/model/specifications/jazz
City: https://www.honda.com.my/model/specifications/city
Iriz: http://www.proton-edar.com.my/en/Models/Ir...iew%20Page.aspx
Persona: http://www.newpersona.proton.com/
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Safety consequences of vehicle size and weight - New crash tests demonstrate the influence of vehicle size and weight on safety in crashes - Three front-to-front crash tests, each involving a microcar or minicar into a midsize model from the same manufacturer, show how extra vehicle size and weight enhance occupant protection in collisions. These Insurance Institute for Highway Safety tests are about the physics of car crashes, which dictate that very small cars generally can't protect people in crashes as well as bigger, heavier models.


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post Sep 10 2017, 08:41 AM

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post Sep 10 2017, 08:42 AM

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Small overlap crash.
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post Sep 10 2017, 09:02 AM

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Car accident is a nasty business. No one should suffer from this. You almost always have no idea when it's gonna happen to you. If it does happen, for some people, it's a "game over".

Severe injuries are no joke. Nastiest of the nasties. It requires months or years of recovery, with expensive medical bills. Not to mention huge loss of income too. Even after a successful treatment, your body will never be the same again. A totalled car can always be replaced. A totalled human body have no replacement. There is no "spare part" for your body.

Why Malaysians? Just why?

With a little bit of awareness, one could make a better decision. A used Proton Iriz is now a mere 20k. https://www.carlist.my/used-cars-for-sale/p...=1&page_size=25

There is no excuse for putting yourself into this disaster.

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post Sep 10 2017, 09:08 AM

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thread hijacked? Im here expecting to see proton, wth with all crash education vid?
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post Sep 10 2017, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(RevolutionWorks @ Sep 10 2017, 09:08 AM)
thread hijacked? Im here expecting to see proton, wth with all crash education vid?
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He should start his own thread instead of disturbing this with his spam. Hope proton can keep their safety strength under geely.

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post Sep 10 2017, 08:33 PM

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Side impact crash, also known as T-bone is among the deadliest type of crash on the road. It amounts to half of fatalities recorded in the USA.

Learn more about this often overlooked type of crash to better educate ourselves.


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post Sep 11 2017, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(matmoto5125 @ Aug 11 2017, 11:57 AM)
My post from so long ago also want to reply lol. My how/why question earlier is rhetoric. Dun care what bs safety tech Proton is pushing but the end result still below market benchmark.

Plus, why u quote me answers comparing Iriz with Bezza? My post is clearly highlighting the Honda B-segment duo.
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The difference between 5-Star NCAP with HPF steel versus 5-Star NCAP without it. Accident has lots of variables. A sole judgment by how good a car performs in frontal collision is a naive thought.

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QUOTE(KMH_MPH @ Sep 11 2017, 05:15 PM)
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The difference between 5-Star NCAP with HPF steel versus 5-Star NCAP without it. Accident has lots of variables. A sole judgment by how good a car performs in frontal collision is a naive thought.
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But both lorries net weight and speed before impact are different.
Unless we compare both in a controlled environment, we are just comparing orange to apple yawn.gif
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QUOTE(enviro @ Sep 10 2017, 07:04 PM)
He should start his own thread instead of disturbing this with his spam. Hope proton can keep their safety strength under geely PRC.
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0 hope for this laugh.gif
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post Sep 11 2017, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(Dothan @ Sep 11 2017, 06:19 PM)
But both lorries net weight and speed before impact are different.
Unless we compare both in a controlled environment, we  are just comparing orange to apple  yawn.gif
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I have to agree. But isn't the safety design is already there in the first place? Well, I don't think the lorry stop ramming exactly where the hot steel was by a mere chance or coincidence. unsure.gif

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post Sep 11 2017, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Dothan @ Sep 11 2017, 05:19 PM)
But both lorries net weight and speed before impact are different.
Unless we compare both in a controlled environment, we  are just comparing orange to apple  yawn.gif
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its ok, with his level of reasoning, we can similarly conclude P1 kena bungkus/take over cos its lousy. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 11 2017, 06:27 PM)
its ok, with his level of reasoning, we can similarly conclude P1 kena bungkus/take over cos its lousy.  biggrin.gif
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Haha. Said by someone who keeps talking thrash about Proton all over Lowyat. biggrin.gif

Yes. I read what you've written about Proton here. I'm not "newcomer". blink.gif

Aiyoo. Give credit where credit is due lah. Isn't a person with engineering qualification at least has decent intelligence?

You drive myvi izzit???

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QUOTE(KMH_MPH @ Sep 11 2017, 05:35 PM)
Haha. Said by someone who keeps talking thrash about Proton all over Lowyat.  biggrin.gif

Yes. I read what you've written about Proton here. I'm not "newcomer".  blink.gif

Aiyoo. Give credit where credit is due lah. Isn't a person with engineering qualification at least has decent intelligence?
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at the end, after all the theory on technology and business, what matters is the end result right? that P1 failed spectacularly. do you agree?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 11 2017, 06:37 PM)
at the end, after all the theory on technology and business, what matters is the end result right? that P1 failed spectacularly. do you agree?
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Oh dear. Oh dear.

I know where you try to drag me from here. I've seen your junk comment all over this forum. So interested in Proton, but said nothing more than a pure thrash. I'm not going to bite the bait.






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QUOTE(KMH_MPH @ Sep 11 2017, 05:44 PM)
Oh dear. Oh dear.

I know where you try to drag me from here. I've seen your junk comment all over this forum. So interested in Proton, but said nothing more than a pure thrash. I'm not going to bite the bait.
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since u just registered but seems to have been reading all the past comment, can we say you are a dupe. why use dupe? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(KMH_MPH @ Sep 11 2017, 05:24 PM)
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I have to agree. But isn't the safety design is already there in the first place? Well, I don't think the lorry stop ramming exactly where the hot steel was by a mere chance or coincidence.  unsure.gif
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I am totally fine with Proton strengthening their cars, in fact it is a extra selling point to convince potential buyers.

But, do you mean that showing these Proton photos implies other car manufacturers do not use hot pressing steel in building their current models?
Be careful this is a deductive fallacy trap you might fall into. If you really want to prove, you should get the actual steel types being used by major car manufacturers and compare them with Proton.


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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 11 2017, 06:45 PM)
since u just registered but seems to have been reading all the past comment, can we say you are a dupe. why use dupe? hmm.gif
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Unker. That's how you like to address yourself izzit?

Enough to say that I'm currently doing Master's thesis on road safety. Just sharing whatever raw data I have here. This thread is a good place to start.

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QUOTE(KMH_MPH @ Sep 11 2017, 05:56 PM)
Unker. That's how you like to address yourself izzit?

Enough to say that I'm currently doing Master's thesis on road safety. Just sharing whatever raw data I have here. This thread is a good place to start.
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since its about road safety, why dont start with reckless behaviour of kapcais on the road? i am sure u got the death figures of those type of accident. more effective you address that aspect first. biggrin.gif

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