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post May 15 2017, 11:47 PM

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Proton Preve - SINGLE-VEHICLE ACCIDENT


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post May 15 2017, 11:49 PM

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post May 16 2017, 12:43 AM

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post May 16 2017, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ May 16 2017, 12:01 AM)
tl;dr

is this the one i heard higher end models like preve/suprima ada itu apa lotus tech

what engine will fly out if langgar depan instead of going in to make u patah kaki etc etc

got such thing?
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You mean this one?



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"Passive safety nombor satu, dia punya “COLLAPSIBLE ENGINE MOUNTING

enjin dia berat, lebih daripada 200 kilo

so, kalau ada frontal collision, kalau enjin tak jatuh ke bawah, dia akan masuk dalam kabin

itu pasal kereta-kereta lama dulu, KAKI PUTUS

sekarang tak

collapsible engine mounting tu memang design terbaru, kalau tengok kereta Jerman, kereta-kereta moden semua, itu yang pertama"

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post May 16 2017, 01:21 AM

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Proton Suprima - SINGLE-VEHICLE ACCIDENT




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post May 16 2017, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ May 16 2017, 12:01 AM)
tl;dr

is this the one i heard higher end models like preve/suprima ada itu apa lotus tech

what engine will fly out if langgar depan instead of going in to make u patah kaki etc etc

got such thing?
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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 16 2017, 12:10 AM)
no such thing in proton

inline 4 engine is too thick to slide out, it will only get stucked and cause the car to high side or even flip

usually porsche's horizontal 6 or subaru's boxer 4 can utilise this method of reducing impact to driver
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In heavy frontal collision, the engine mounting will break and collapse and the engine will go downward. If you see the photos below, Proton cars have this HPF parts right under the front dashboard that will stop the intrusion from engine, so that our kaki won't putus.

In roll-over or car spinning accidents, the engine will "fly" out. There were two reported cases where this happened. The first one was the famous enjin tercabut incident at LPT highway (roll-over accident), the other was this woman whose's Preve hit a big tree and her car spun. This Preve's engine landed on the other side of the road. I will post the photos later.


PROTON PREVE/SUPRIMA HPF STRUCTURE:


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PROTON IRIZ/PERSONA HPF STRUCTURE:

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post May 16 2017, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 16 2017, 01:32 AM)
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this is the right protocol for engine dismount

preve engine is too thick, or squarish to do this, there is no point to dismount it and still have it in front of your knee or flying to the other side of the road or flying into your face through the front windscreen.

It should have a guided path, not killing innocent people across the road.

In the case of broken preve mounting in accident, that's just due to the huge impact and the mounting couldn't take it. simple as that. It just somehow didnt hit anyone walking pass. or it would make into world news
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What Proton has done is actually the industry standard safety practice. I do have cases involving cars like Volvo and BMW where their engines dismount and fly off. The former happened in Russia, while the latter happened right in our homeland. Involving local Male celebrity named "Awal Ashaari" and his BMW.

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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 16 2017, 01:32 AM)
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Yes, this is exactly what Proton has been doing. The engine dismounts and goes underneath the car ONLY in frontal collision. If it was ROLL-OVER or SPINNING, how is it possible for the engine to remain underneath?

Does it make any sense from the safety perspective, if you still want the engine to remain intact with the car body and risk intrusion into the cabin?
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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 16 2017, 01:32 AM)
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this is the right protocol for engine dismount

preve engine is too thick, or squarish to do this, there is no point to dismount it and still have it in front of your knee or flying to the other side of the road or flying into your face through the front windscreen.

It should have a guided path, not killing innocent people across the road.

In the case of broken preve mounting in accident, that's just due to the huge impact and the mounting couldn't take it. simple as that. It just somehow didnt hit anyone walking pass. or it would make into world news
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"Passive safety nombor satu, dia punya “COLLAPSIBLE ENGINE MOUNTING

enjin dia berat, lebih daripada 200 kilo

so, kalau ada frontal collision, kalau enjin tak jatuh ke bawah, dia akan masuk dalam kabin

itu pasal kereta-kereta lama dulu, KAKI PUTUS

sekarang tak

collapsible engine mounting tu memang design terbaru, kalau tengok kereta Jerman, kereta-kereta moden semua, itu yang pertama"

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post May 16 2017, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 16 2017, 01:54 AM)
well i have to disappoint you. it meant that they crashed too hard, and the mounting couldn't stand the force, just like preve. cars aint even built to withstand an impact velocity of 110km/h

Even IIHS themselves admitted that engine flying off is abnormal. IIHS is one of the leading crash testing organization funded by insurer

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/fe...peed-car-crash/

i'd trust these IIHS engineers more than proton, definitely
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Please link me to the source where IIHS said:

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Even IIHS themselves admitted that engine flying off is abnormal


Here I copy & paste the relevant part of the article:

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EXPLOSIONS AND ENGINE EJECTIONS

Conspiracy theorists probably don't want to hear it, but Puckett says he's seen all sorts of mechanical combustions, from engine ejections to vehicle fires to cars sawed in half by stationary objects. "The engine is hot," Puckett says. "There are any number of fluids that can ignite, and I'm sorry to say that [that] isn't indicative of foul play."

Wheat, Zirby, and Bates also corroborate Puckett's conclusion; cars traveling at a high velocity slamming into hard objects aren't really designed to prevent such violent ends. While engine ejections and explosions aren't necessarily the norm, they aren't as rare as most of us would guess.

"I think we've become complacent, where we think all this technology is going to save us no matter what," says Bates. "But you have to keep in mind—there are crashes that are not survivable."
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post May 16 2017, 02:06 AM

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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 16 2017, 01:54 AM)
well i have to disappoint you. it meant that they crashed too hard, and the mounting couldn't stand the force, just like preve. cars aint even built to withstand an impact velocity of 110km/h

Even IIHS themselves admitted that engine flying off is abnormal. IIHS is one of the leading crash testing organization funded by insurer

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/fe...peed-car-crash/

i'd trust these IIHS engineers more than proton, definitely
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It's OK to be in denial. But hear this. Majority of Proton safety engineers are foreign-educated, graduated from some of the world's top universities.

FYI, one of them was hired by VOLVO to be part of the company's pedestrian safety research.

They are not a joke.

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QUOTE(dares @ May 16 2017, 02:14 AM)
On the flip side....

Victims who survive an accident in a safe Proton whereby the car is written off, suddenly found themselves in a financial quandary because the total loss payout is not enough to settle their 9 year loan due to poor market value (and hence insured value) of Proton cars

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Ahhhhh Encik Dares. You are finally here. I've been waiting for you actually. I learn a lot from your comments about cars. thumbup.gif

The other is "Boy" something. He's quite good too
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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 16 2017, 03:01 AM)
'aren't necessarily the norm', it meant it is not normal

'it isnt rare' because it is a problem due to be fixed by these car makers in a high speed crash

and, i myself is an engineer holding M.Eng from world top 100 university, and currently a PhD candidate, i believe in datas. Until proton's engineer show us the simulation or mathematical model, it's just syiok sendiri self claimed since the engine didnt hit anyone, they can get away with it

Also, it doesn't take an engineer to figure out that a flying 200kg metal block is dangerous.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1862727/woman...d-horror-smash/

It should be detached, yes, but guided at an angle, below the car. It can only be easily achieved when your engine is built with a decline towards the undercarriage as shown

below is subaru's design
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another approach to detached engine is like volvo, build the engine as part of shock absorbent and just let it crumble between the firewalls

Proton is the first car maker that is proud of their running wild flying engine, when it hit someone, the CEO is going to be in deep shit
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Oh my goodness. Your basic comprehension is so bad. It makes my head spinning.
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QUOTE(darosha @ May 16 2017, 09:21 AM)
if im not mistaken so far only 1 death for preve
which is a police officer speeding without wearing seatbelt
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QUOTE(darosha @ May 16 2017, 09:49 AM)
why still no polis death in preve in the list?
i kind of remember there's a case preve police car speeding get accident and one policeman death because not wearing seatbelt and ejected out from the car. that's not counted?
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No such case as policeman ejected out of the car. There are currently a few Preve's accidents that resulted in death. I will update the STAT COUNTER on the first page once I'm done posting all accidents here. I'm barely scratch the surface.
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QUOTE(dares @ May 16 2017, 03:10 AM)
huh.gif apasal me, I small ciku je who sometimes share whatever little I know.

Your discussion with Subang Nuclear Reactor is interesting, never really read about concerns of flying drivetrain components in a collision..... please don't let me interrupt  biggrin.gif

Oh and it's boy96 you're looking for, he is sifu level  rclxms.gif
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Oh by all means, please interrupt. Your insights are much appreciated.

Well, this guy is trying to take things out of context a bit, keep ignoring main points "roll-over" and "spinning" and keep insisting on the engine must stick like a glue in all circumstances.

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