This suddenly pops in my head.

As a raider, when a new raid released, let say everyone is new to the raid, do you guys go to wowhead and read the raid mechanics then execute the strategy as written or you guys dig out with your own strategy by try and wipe and try and wipe and try until you guys defeat the raid?

World first that clear the raid, can say they are superb genius because there is no guide for them but purely grind out the mechanics?

This post has been edited by helven: May 5 2017, 10:42 PM

youtube for me

That's because:

1. blizzard had put some basic guides, open up adventure's guide (ctrl+J) and u can see each bosses mechanics
2. They are playing the PTR server and did some research from there.. usually not much changes from PTR to live


For not so top like us, we usually go to fatboss tv or other top guild's strat and read wowhead and adventure's guide

I see.. Once in a while I heard people complain raid is too easy and on my experience, raid wasn't easy at all, probably I don play much so lacking of practice is one reason.
But clearing a raid without any guide such as youtube / wowhead / whatever, base on own effort, imho it is hard as hell. I was wondering if those guides actually spoiled the fun of the game.

Recently Bellular had posted this video, and he mentioned, it is fun to have puzzle, but the answer to the puzzle is going to be released on wowhead next day, then players come and complain it is too easy / nothing to do.

just do high dps, if u die its healers fault

mechanics is not a puzzle, once you read up and know the mechanics, u need to practice to familiarize with it.. it will become hard if you dont respect certain mechanics even if its the easy one, especially the one that will wipe your entire raid.

fun is a subjective thing. one thing for sure is blizzard needs to cater various level of playerbase from hardcore to casual.. so they just put some basic info on what are the skills and mechanics certain bosses have in an adventure's guide and its up to the players on how to deal with it.. i've seen a guild that only read adventure's guide and go raiding and wipe a few times. to them, that is fun thing to do.

wowhead and mmo-champion is a fanbased website contributed by the players, everytime PTR releases, they will data-mining.. and certain guild that plays on PTR like fatboss will put up simple guide on how to do things, but it still up to the players on how to execute it. Maiden of Vigilance is a good example on no matter how much u read and watch, without practice, u still can wipe the raid.