welcome bro, no prob..

im on the lookout for new duke test ride ...

the ride is too brief to 'feel' more, so if more kawa test coming up, i dont mind go again..


I din manage to test mt09 remember....
mt 09 have a few points that i like, upright posture, stock height is ngam for my short legs, the pegs are jz lil bit backward,
and totally out of my legs way. It is not too heavy. Now just need to see how vibby the bike is, and how annoying the torque feel.

im a rider that go for the feel, not going for adrenaline rush, not kaki leper or kaki lenjan, i don't like pushing the bike screaming at high rpm.
sounds like im a cruiser guy, yes almost but i don like the low seat, and kaki kangkang forward position

My impression of riding inline4 bike (z900) - yes it has a nice screaming high pitched ekzos note, but u can hardly feel the engine,
it is like there is no engine on the bike.

Compared to riding a v twin or 270 i2, u can feel the engine grunt below, it is like you are riding something that is alive..

This post has been edited by basilisk: Oct 3 2017, 02:56 PM

yes that is a start to get to know a bike, but different riders are looking for different things,

so the best way is to test it yourself.

i have to admit that a short ride, can't really tell anything, but at least you get to feel something..

This post has been edited by basilisk: Oct 3 2017, 02:33 PM

yes tru, humans can switch off a lot of senses at certain moments,

if im riding a bike home aft a long day at work, all thats in my head is food and mandi etc..

won't feel anything about the bike.

But if i purposely get on the bike to unwind, tht will be different...

Last weekend, hv some free time, so went to test ride kawa bikes again @ cbk motor sentul.

not many people there, and they allow riders to freely ride ( they hold ur lesen tho ) , so managed to ride longer this time.

so, I have some questions for bros here, since i dont have any experience riding bikes with capacity higher than kapchai.


OK, scenario is like this.

when i was riding the bike - speed ~ 40ish kmh. 3rd gear, rpm ~ 4k liddat,

and when i wan to slow down, i just reduce the throttle slightly... throttle not completely close/off.

now for z650, when i reduce the gas, the bike will have a strong pulling reaction, is this engine braking or wht?

and when i apply a lil more gas ( not sudden, not abrupt ) the bike will push forward, kinda strong.

Compared to z900, with same riding condition, the z900 reaction is very soft.

Questions -

is this because of engine? 180twin vs inline4 ?

or because of fuel mapping?

can this force be reduced, by remapping?

all inline4 engine behave like this? say compare xj6 z900 tnt600 ?

hope bros here with experience, pls share some input, knowledge, TQVM

high torque, it depends on which bike it is comparing to.

we will have a rough idea by referring to the dyno graph.

below we have the old ninja650 comparing to cbr650f which is i4, and have almost the same
cc 650 vs 650. Look at the low rpm section. the i2 have a slightly higher torque value,
and the mt07 have a much higher value.



and for the new z650, kawa manage to increase the low rpm torque, and make the curve much flatter than before.
The max torque is still the same, but z650 new engine max torque at lower rpm @ 6700.



but if compared to z900 which has 299cc more.
z900 @ 4k rpm the torque is ~60lbft already, where as the z650 @ 4k is at best 40.5lbft that is almost 20lbft difference.




i have tested both bike using 5th gear @~ 20km/h at low rpm jalan to pickup speed...

Z900 have no difficulty, where as z650 kinda half struggling

This post has been edited by basilisk: Oct 10 2017, 08:30 PM

well after reading articles n comments by bikers..

this is indeed engine braking, and apparently modern bikes with electronics can somehow reduce it,

as it can be an annoyance to certain bikers..

the more cylinder the lesser the braking effect.

so i assume that triple is almost the same as inline4, minimal engine braking.

i did test the latest monster 797, which is tuned friendlier to bikers and found that the braking effect is

less than the z650.

today benelli kinda senyap senyap launch the leoncino and some keeway bikes..

looks like E&O penang ??

hard to keep the price down ?? RM 27,999 excluding gst wor....

for msia, i think leoncino comes with ABS standard,



alot of reviews from the chinese.. hardly any yet from the west..



sharing the same engine as TRK502, and assuming no changes in tuning,

this is TRK502 dyno graph, from greece. ( written there as BN302 but it is not )



the dyno values din stray far from the spec sheet

MAXIMUM POWER
35 kW (47.6 hp) @ 8500 rpm
MAXIMUM torque 45 Nm (4.6 kgm) @ 5000 rpm

compared to CB500f.
Leon = 4.3mkg = 31ftlb @ 5154rpm



weight is 186kg dry, vs cb500f 188kg wet, full tank.

with a 360 firing inline twin, leoncino could be a big vibrator like a single ..??

sound.. of 360 inline twin ( like BN302 )



This post has been edited by basilisk: Oct 17 2017, 02:49 PM

anyone knows why temerloh is a town where there r several superbike shops? got many taukeh balak family there...?

sorry hv not been to temerloh..

the lpt2 some say is jinx? cos hv seen so many accidents deaths there, on bike on cars...

it looks like a straight hiway.. tht can take your life away..

push start is kinda like kick start.. not much difference.. except that u use the clutch..

benelli leoncino...

thin but heavy lion cub.... ?

claims to be 207kg when stomach is full

notice one difference so far.. the meter...

for malaysia... is like backlit lcd ??


and this is shown in china and italy... meter background is black... what do you call this type?















This post has been edited by basilisk: Oct 25 2017, 12:07 AM

tokyo motor show starts today...

the z900rs.


engine is retuned to give more power at lower rpm,

and the sacrifice is lower MAX rpm, from 125ps @ 9.5krpm dropped to 111ps @ 8.5krpm,

only a dyno graph can tell how much more hp the RS have at lower rpm compared to z900.

max torque is the same but comes early @ 6.5krpm

Comes with traction control, 2 riding modes, abs, slip and assist clutch.

1st gear ratio higher, and 6th gear ratio lower than z900.

Replacement of W800





2018 ninja 250.....



This post has been edited by basilisk: Oct 26 2017, 04:11 PM

visordown state lower, i got the data from kawasaki UK website, i read some other also write is the same torque... so...

HLY display these 4 bikes @ sic. why? plan to bring in?

tracer700, xsr700, scr 950, and mt03

yamaha occupying the biggest booth among other bike brands in sic.

others are showing bikes that is available here in Msia, bmw is launching new bikes,

buy HL yamaha choose to show bikes that is not in the market..

not even showing new mt09... so what sort of marketing strategy ?

so proud tht ppl r always rushing to buy yamaha kapchais n scooters .. ?





This post has been edited by basilisk: Oct 30 2017, 05:54 AM

year end rebate for mt09 rm1k... better than nothing..?

need to clear for new model ??

kawasaki z900rs is already on sale in Thailand, about a month after being revealed @ tokyo moto show 2017

for standard edition price is 485 000 baht which is ~ RM 61 XXX




Custom by MOTO CORSE

for " Modern? UJM" lovers..



This post has been edited by basilisk: Nov 28 2017, 04:24 PM

the question is how much price increase for new mt09?

which feature is available ? abs standard ?

got this dark colour for msia... ?







Launched few days ago in INDON... rupiah 279 Juta



This post has been edited by basilisk: Nov 29 2017, 02:58 AM

HLY BSH wont bother cos they sell alot kapchais here tht's the $$$ making product.. not bigger bikes...