QUOTE(aoisky @ Apr 29 2017, 01:35 PM)
thanks for the info, if the property remain unchanged under my parents' name, still can apply for refinance right ?
Can, no problem with thatRefinancing your property for cash, and credit consolidation
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Apr 29 2017, 12:44 PM) please elaborate more the bold statement please, property is fully own by parents no loan with bank & still pending individual title. WIth love and affection transfer you are still responsible to pay the transfer agreement feees, but you are exempt from paying the stamp duty on the transfer which can be more expenve than the transfer itselfwhat is the different in term of fee if spa still under my parents name and or join name or my name ? So my suggestion is to transfer the property to your name, and then finance it to get the cash out. ALTERNATIVELY, if you are refinancing it without making any transfer, there wont be any transfer agreement fees, but your parent (the owner of the property) has to be part of the loan application and this will appear in their ccris report. Which can be good also, since for you, the loan is considered joint-loan and in the future when you are applying for another mortgage, this commitment will be split into two... your commitment would be low QUOTE(aoisky @ Apr 29 2017, 01:35 PM) thanks for the info, if the property remain unchanged under my parents' name, still can apply for refinance right ? Yes, as I mentioned above. They need to join in the application though. |
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Apr 30 2017, 03:15 PM) WIth love and affection transfer you are still responsible to pay the transfer agreement feees, but you are exempt from paying the stamp duty on the transfer which can be more expenve than the transfer itself Once again thank you very much for your reply.So my suggestion is to transfer the property to your name, and then finance it to get the cash out. ALTERNATIVELY, if you are refinancing it without making any transfer, there wont be any transfer agreement fees, but your parent (the owner of the property) has to be part of the loan application and this will appear in their ccris report. Which can be good also, since for you, the loan is considered joint-loan and in the future when you are applying for another mortgage, this commitment will be split into two... your commitment would be low Yes, as I mentioned above. They need to join in the application though. |
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May 2 2017, 07:49 AM
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Apr 20 2017, 05:39 PM) Refinancing your property for cash and credit consolidation Say I have inherited my parents' house, current value hovering around 350k (landed) and I want to refinance it so that I can dump it much more downpayment for a new house (roughly 600k price inclusive of stamp duty, MOT, etc.) Refinancing is a process that property owners could engage to unlock the full value of their properties. To initiate the process, the bank would request a valuer to perform a valuation on the property and proceed to offer up to 90% of the property value as loans, with the property being used as a collateral. If the property is encumbered, a portion of the money will be used to pay off the outstanding loan and the remaining amount will be credited into the applicant’s account. In general, secured loan facilities such as mortgages, hire-purchases, and ASB loans are charged lower interest rates compared to unsecured facilities such as credit cards, personal loans, and to some extent over draft accounts. Secured in the phrase refers to the loan agreement having a collateral, e.g. property, car, ASB units. There is a number of overdraft facilities which we will go over one of these days, but for now it is enough to know that overdraft facilities can be granted with or without collateral. Cashing out on the paper gain Paper gain of a poperty is the unrealized gain from capital appreciation. Imagine buying a property 10 years ago at the cost of RM200,000 and today it has appreciated to RM400,000. You would be happy with the gain but there is no way for you to utilize the gain unless you either sell the property outright or refinance it. Selling the property may not be suitable if the investers are planning to take advantage of the rental income as rental increases as property prices increases. For property owners that are staying in the property in question, selling it is also out of the quiestion as they may already be deeply rooted in the residential area and would prefer not to move. As such refinancing the property may be one the options that property owners could take to unlock the value of their properties without selling them outright. Consolidating your other loans into a single account A typical person may have a few loan accounts attached to him, this can be seen in their credit report. These loan accounts may in the form of mortgages, hire-purchases, personal loans, PTPTN, and more. Each loan account has its own tenure, outstanding, installment amount, and most importantly interest rates. As mentioned above, loans with collateral have lower rates than those without. The basic idea with refinancing to consolidate the other loans is to take advantage the lower interest rates offered for a secured loan facility (a mortgage) to fully settle other loan facilities with higher interest rates. A typical mortgage at the time of writing has an interest rate of around 4.2 to 4.6% per annum (p.a.), depending on the loan amount and credit profile of the applicant. A higher purchase of a passenger car taken at 9 years has an annualized interest rate of 5 to 6%, personal loan starts at 6%, while credit card is just stupidly high at 1.5% per month of the previous month’s statement balance. Final thoughts Refinancing is a quick and cheap way to unlock the paper value of your assets. The funds raised from the process of refinancing has lower interest rates than personal and business loans. It is also ideal as a way to consolidate other liabilities into a single, low-interest account. do people do this? for the sake of minimizing loan amount on new house. Would prefer to sell off the first house but the situation is that if the new house is not finished building yet, nowhere to live |
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ May 2 2017, 07:49 AM) Say I have inherited my parents' house, current value hovering around 350k (landed) and I want to refinance it so that I can dump it much more downpayment for a new house (roughly 600k price inclusive of stamp duty, MOT, etc.) Normally refinancing amount requirement need to be above 100k. do people do this? for the sake of minimizing loan amount on new house. Would prefer to sell off the first house but the situation is that if the new house is not finished building yet, nowhere to live If less than 100k would need to take personal loan. Unless your intention is to keep the first house for a longer term, Refinancing the earlier house will probably cause another lock in period of 3 - 5 years depending on the new loan agreement you took with the bank. Some people do the above as you mentioned because they intend to keep their existing property and utilize the refinanced amount as downpayment + renovation. |
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ May 2 2017, 07:49 AM) Say I have inherited my parents' house, current value hovering around 350k (landed) and I want to refinance it so that I can dump it much more downpayment for a new house (roughly 600k price inclusive of stamp duty, MOT, etc.) Yes, this is called consolidating your loans into a single loan, backed by a single security. Doing this is better than getting multiple loans for multiple properties because:do people do this? for the sake of minimizing loan amount on new house. Would prefer to sell off the first house but the situation is that if the new house is not finished building yet, nowhere to live 1. In a way, yo usave on the legal fees for your other properties that you do not need to buy with cash 2. You do not utilize the allocation for your first 2 residential housing loans, or in some cases, you free up the allocations 3. You get to enjoy rental income from the first house, AND get to unlock the value of the first house to buy new ones 4. Save on insurance since you can use a single MRTA to cover one property as opposed to multiple ones. Try to avoid MLTA unless you minimize the slack as the agent commissions are too high. In your case, you should only consider doing a refinancing if the MV of the house has risen significantly compared to the outstanding with the current bank. Btw, when you said "not finished building yet" do you mean that it was an underconstruction unit? |
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Jun 28 2017, 09:12 PM
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is it a good idea to refinance a property to get more fund for business startup?
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QUOTE(Agent 45 @ Jun 28 2017, 09:12 PM) When you buy a property and it appreciates, you cannot count it as a gain yet unless you cash it out by selling the property off or refinancing it.Meanwhile your money is "lock in" in the sense of paper value because it's not realized yet, but at the same time you don't intend to sell that property off because there might be few possibilities 1. You still think the property value will go up further 2. You want to stay in that house 3. It's not the right time to sell it off now Then refinancing the housing loan is an alternative because you don't have to involve selling off the property to someone else while cashing out the money from the appreciated property at the same time. With the housing loan interest of 4 - 5% nowadays, if your business is able to give you back more than 5% return then it's definitely a good deal to refinance the house otherwise better put the money elsewhere. |
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 28 2017, 09:17 PM) When you buy a property and it appreciates, you cannot count it as a gain yet unless you cash it out by selling the property off or refinancing it. Statistically, 90% of new business fail in the first 3 years.Meanwhile your money is "lock in" in the sense of paper value because it's not realized yet, but at the same time you don't intend to sell that property off because there might be few possibilities 1. You still think the property value will go up further 2. You want to stay in that house 3. It's not the right time to sell it off now Then refinancing the housing loan is an alternative because you don't have to involve selling off the property to someone else while cashing out the money from the appreciated property at the same time. With the housing loan interest of 4 - 5% nowadays, if your business is able to give you back more than 5% return then it's definitely a good deal to refinance the house otherwise better put the money elsewhere. |
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 28 2017, 09:45 PM) That's called taking a risk to be an entrepreneur. You can't be jealous at successful business owner who earns millions or thousands daily and envy at their establishment. The question is are you willing to make the jump and take the risk or forever be a basic income earner and play safe? This is no different from the question of putting your money into Fixed deposit or the share market If you're afraid of losses then gain a 3% from FD. If you're complaining on the low interest then why didn't you put into shares? Oh because it's high risk, then what do you want? You can't keep dreaming about being somewhere in your mind achieving it if you're not taking the action. This post has been edited by lifebalance: Jun 28 2017, 09:50 PM |
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QUOTE(Agent 45 @ Jun 28 2017, 09:12 PM) I am not going to touch on the validity of your business, that is yours issues alone. As a financier, I focus on the rates available in the market for my clients.The short answer is yes, refinancing your property to get a fund for a business market has a lot of financial sense, if you compare the rates that you are going to get as its is. Business loans and personal loan have much higher interest rates, and you are not going to qualify for a business loan anyway due to the nature of your company - a start up. Mortgage charged to a person (vs a company) rates start at 4.25%, while personal loans start at 8-9% p.a (not simple interest, we need to do apples-to-apples comparison) |
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 28 2017, 09:48 PM) That's called taking a risk to be an entrepreneur. According to a wealth report, only about 0.3% of adults in the kangkong land have over us$1m net worth. Rich and successful business man are fewer than most people thought.You can't be jealous at successful business owner who earns millions or thousands daily and envy at their establishment. The question is are you willing to make the jump and take the risk or forever be a basic income earner and play safe? This is no different from the question of putting your money into Fixed deposit or the share market If you're afraid of losses then gain a 3% from FD. If you're complaining on the low interest then why didn't you put into shares? Oh because it's high risk, then what do you want? You can't keep dreaming about being somewhere in your mind achieving it if you're not taking the action. During u.s property bull run before 2016, it was popular to refinance their house for investment. It seems those refinance for new business, venture or investment have high risks of foreclosure. However, risks on expanding existing business is lower. QUOTE(Zres @ Jun 29 2017, 07:51 AM) U see, I'm not the only one who tell you that you mental stop you from archieve anything in your life ... For reasons, only about 4% of adults have over us$100k net worth. Joining the herd almost automatic exclude to be in the elite group. |
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Want to check with you, is now a good time to refinance?. I have 1 property that I bought since 2010. Rented it out till now. I need money to continue my study. How long does it take to refinance normally?. I ve read that people say its not a good move to refinance, as you are resetting your loan again. Please advise on this, thanks!!. |
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QUOTE(hellremix @ Jul 3 2017, 12:19 AM) Hi TS, Do take note on tax treatment of interest expense resulting from refinancing for the purpose other than your property financing is subject to interest restriction. So you may not be able to claim the full interest expense after refinancingWant to check with you, is now a good time to refinance?. I have 1 property that I bought since 2010. Rented it out till now. I need money to continue my study. How long does it take to refinance normally?. I ve read that people say its not a good move to refinance, as you are resetting your loan again. Please advise on this, thanks!!. |
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Got 2 property. 1 already fully paid, 1 still on loan. Can both be refinance? Like to get some cash fund to grow my business, hope can guide/assist me.
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QUOTE(hellremix @ Jul 3 2017, 12:19 AM) Hi TS, The refinance process until disbursement takes about 3 - 4 months depending it's a leasehold or freehold property.Want to check with you, is now a good time to refinance?. I have 1 property that I bought since 2010. Rented it out till now. I need money to continue my study. How long does it take to refinance normally?. I ve read that people say its not a good move to refinance, as you are resetting your loan again. Please advise on this, thanks!!. Whether it's a good or bad time depends on what's your purpose of refinancing, since you mention it's for study, do you need to enroll it now or you can enroll it later ? Can it be delayed further ? And you mention about resetting your loan, is this study / education worth for you to pursue taking in the extra debt ? These are all personal questions and it's up to you to see if you see the value in it, not anyone in the internet can advise you on this, this is your life & your aspiration. Once you're ready with a decision then I can only advise you the next step in refinancing. QUOTE(awiekupo @ Jul 3 2017, 08:07 AM) Got 2 property. 1 already fully paid, 1 still on loan. Can both be refinance? Like to get some cash fund to grow my business, hope can guide/assist me. Yes, both can be refinance as long as there is an increased in property value and the banks can finance 80 - 90% of the current market value.With regards to checking on your eligibility you will need to provide me your personal info as below Age Gross pay Nett pay ASB Rental Income Bonus 2014 2015 2016 Commitment House Car Credit card outstanding Personal Loan PTPTN |
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QUOTE(hellremix @ Jul 3 2017, 12:19 AM) Hi TS, Refinancing takes about 1 week for the offer, and 2-3 months (could be more though) for money to be released...Want to check with you, is now a good time to refinance?. I have 1 property that I bought since 2010. Rented it out till now. I need money to continue my study. How long does it take to refinance normally?. I ve read that people say its not a good move to refinance, as you are resetting your loan again. Please advise on this, thanks!!. 1. If you first got the property financing in 2010, your rate may be a little worse or on-par with the current market rate, which starts at about 4.25% and above, it may be ok to refinance to get a better rate, but if you need the money instead.... 2. Refinancing for cash is one the cheaper options available out there.. it is cheaper than personal loan, hire-purchase, cc... if you have the cash to fund your business/studies/etc. sure, don't refinance, don't reset and extend your mortgage... but at this point you need the money to continue your studies... you have the option between: a. personal loan, 10 year tenure and 8%~ above rate (unless you get good deals from your company) b. friends/family loan, which is dependent on the situation c. refinancing, 35 year tenure (you can choose to take 10 years by paying more each month through a flexi account) and rates start at 4.25%... Sure you are resetting your mortgages and paying more interests, but you if don't need the money from a loan you wouldn't need to discuss it anyway... keep in mind that not everyone is in the position to refinance their properties, many people don't have any asset to mortgage, so they need to take personal loans or credit card cash advance instead QUOTE(awiekupo @ Jul 3 2017, 08:07 AM) Got 2 property. 1 already fully paid, 1 still on loan. Can both be refinance? Like to get some cash fund to grow my business, hope can guide/assist me. Yes, can, not an issue. The only issues would be to show proof that you have enough income vs banking commitment, also referred to as debt-service-ratio (DSR), to fund the refinancing of the properties.Your incomes can be in the form of business income, employment income, investment income, or a combination of them This post has been edited by wild_card_my: Jul 3 2017, 02:39 PM |
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jul 3 2017, 02:15 PM) Refinancing takes about 1 week for the offer, and 2-3 months (could be more though) for money to be released... 2-3 months process.. any info which process that consumes too much time? Land office? What are the process after signing the docs?1. If you first got the property financing in 2010, your rate may be a little worse or on-par with the current market rate, which starts at about 4.25% and above, it may be ok to refinance to get a better rate, but if you need the money instead.... 2. Refinancing for cash is one the cheaper options available out there.. it is cheaper than personal loan, hire-purchase, cc... if you have the cash to fund your business/studies/etc. sure, don't refinance, don't reset and extend your mortgage... but at this point you need the money to continue your studies... you have the option between: a. personal loan, 10 year tenure and 8%~ above rate (unless you get good deals from your company) b. friends/family loan, which is dependent on the situation c. refinancing, 35 year tenure (you can choose to take 10 years by paying more each month through a flexi account) and rates start at 4.25%... Sure you are resetting your mortgages and paying more interests, but you if don't need the money from a loan you wouldn't need to discuss it anyway... keep in mind that not everyone is in the position to refinance their properties, many people don't have any asset to mortgage, so they need to take personal loans or credit card cash advance instead Yes, can, not an issue. The only issues would be to show proof that you have enough income vs banking commitment, also referred to as debt-service-ratio (DSR), to fund the refinancing of the properties. Your incomes can be in the form of business income, employment income, investment income, or a combination of them |
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QUOTE(giggs_509 @ Jul 4 2017, 12:00 PM) 2-3 months process.. any info which process that consumes too much time? Land office? What are the process after signing the docs? The 2 to 3 months period is basically the process on getting the relevant permission from government if its leasehold. Otherwise it's to settle off the existing bank loan with the new financiers, discharge the title and subsequently to charge the property to the new bank. Its the same process like purchasing a new house just without the sales and purchase agreement |
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