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icemanfx
post Apr 18 2017, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(planc @ Apr 16 2017, 08:36 PM)
Yes, this method tak boleh pakai ady..CCRIS can see P, A and T..if bank see got 2 A then gg.com they can terminate the agreement..10% deposit, loan stamp duty really 88.com
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Some bank will even check ccris before first drawdown.

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post Feb 17 2018, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(TaipingTiger @ Oct 5 2017, 12:07 PM)
It is a well known method.
Yes investors all using this to get more than 3 properties 90% loan. Plus buying at below market value then mark up loan can even get cash back.
If without this, confirm everybody will be stuck with only 2 properties.
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This is subprime.

Foreclosure on newly vped property will be more than most expected.

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post Aug 13 2018, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Aug 13 2018, 10:56 PM)
As of today, this method is still a loophole that is still workable.
Let's see able to last for how long.
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Some banks management need to meet quota/target, close one eye and don't check ccris before first loan draw down. believe these banks will be hit hardest later on.

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post Aug 20 2018, 11:06 AM

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Leverage amplified profits as well as losses. With loan interest rate on rising trend, many could become financially stretched.

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post Sep 9 2018, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Sep 9 2018, 08:25 AM)
Here I share with everyone the best real case example of loan compression / multiple loan submission.

4 units buy sekaligus with 4 different banks.
Now all 4 units in lelong market. All under the same owner.


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At current market sentiment; after auction, the buyer/borrower may ended up with about $1m personal liability. Zis financial standing could be ruined for the rest of zis life.

Believe this trick was used rampantly, expect npl at these banks to climb and a generation of investor ended in doldrums.

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post Sep 9 2018, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(tikusniaga @ Sep 9 2018, 11:47 AM)
Simply listen to property guru blindly will ruin you financially.
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Before sh!t hit the fan, this was widely promoted as a good debt.

Basically, blinded by greed on cocr. Wonder how many of uuu/BBB herd members are on this boat.

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post Sep 26 2018, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(freedom8901 @ Sep 26 2018, 09:46 AM)
Currently doing it, mixing between subsales and completed developer projects.

Total property value~2mil
Monthly installment~9k
Cashout~500k

My biggest concern is the margin cut to 70 percent, hence all the units I sapu are 40 percent below market. Good enough?
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Mean value of collateral held by bank is over inflated.

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post Sep 26 2018, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(tikusniaga @ Sep 26 2018, 11:48 AM)
That’s obvious.

I think it is okay lah, if he can service the loan.
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It is a matter of time, some will walk away with cash out.

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post Sep 26 2018, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(tikusniaga @ Sep 26 2018, 12:06 PM)
You mean take cash and run?
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QUOTE(freedom8901 @ Sep 26 2018, 12:07 PM)
Run with cashout and go for bankruptcy?
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Some took cash out to invest to become millionaire, some lost all, etc endless possibilities.

icemanfx
post Sep 28 2018, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Sep 28 2018, 12:43 AM)
oh ya ho... this way only will rich or bankrupt... no break even
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BMW Group Malaysia has sold 20% more vehicles to date with 9,500 deliveries for its BMW, MINI and Motorrad models
https://themalaysianreserve.com/2018/09/19/...ia-sales-up-20/

Mercedes-Benz Malaysia begins 2018 with 13.2pc growth
https://www.nst.com.my/business/2018/04/356...18-132pc-growth

Uuu/bbb are obviously getting rich.

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post Nov 7 2018, 06:00 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 6 2018, 10:33 PM)
Yes he is aiming both n guru wan him to buy more 🤣🤣🤣

I salute ppl who alwiz wanna bring ppl to holand. Not every1 can do the dirty job wan.
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During 2011-2014, uuu/BBB brought many to holand citing missing the boat, etc.

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post Nov 7 2018, 06:10 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 7 2018, 06:04 AM)
Buying the wrong props by blindly following gurus or sifus or masters is purely naive. Just like aunty hooting stock market. U won't hoot lousy stock wan. Same goes to props. Investor grade props ll end up manyak competition in many aspects. Buy the korek prop u won't feel sad n demand is alwiz there.

I'm sure deep down in ur heard some counters worth buying in bulk during bear run of ur stock market. If u die die buy sthg else then boh bian liao. 🤣🤣🤣
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During bull run 2011-2014, every punter/flipper thought he is a gold finger.

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post Nov 7 2018, 06:20 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 7 2018, 06:14 AM)
Regardless bull or bear in stock market usually fun minizer is the one make the most out of their followers. Agree not??? Like a leech. 🤣🤣🤣
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Been leeched is involuntary. Wannabe invest voluntary and is aware of the fees.

Property is illiquid, it could takes too long to liquidate.

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post Nov 7 2018, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Nov 7 2018, 04:27 PM)
Whoa gks...where you find this phase? Own make up ah?

Almost every thread also we need to tolerate the icy-manu-david show...

Its getting really old.
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Unker, you are a regular feature also.


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post Nov 8 2018, 10:02 AM

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In other countries, "loan compression" is loan fraud.

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post Nov 8 2018, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Nov 8 2018, 02:14 PM)
6month? wake up bro. compress loan owner need prepare to pay negative few years. good thing is cash back normally a lot, can cover up to 5years if u take $6-7unit
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If cash back could cover a few years of loan installment mean the snp price is highly inflated or price is at many years future. not sure, even 5 years down the road, snp price will be realistic or could be higher than market price.

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post Nov 8 2018, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Nov 8 2018, 06:04 PM)
after 5year vp then sell lo. thats all flipper plan. can sell lower than developer price as gain discount 30-40%. risk is cant sell out and hold and hold til burst
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Mean snp price is 30-40% overvalued. How much loan interest incurred by this 30-40% overvalued portion over 5 years period? Property price need to rise higher than inflation to make profits.

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post Nov 23 2018, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Nov 23 2018, 08:10 AM)

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Over gearing is a recipe for financial ruin.

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post Dec 16 2018, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 16 2018, 11:26 AM)
Buying those 5 houses, if and only if your DSR allow to buy all 5 houses, you still need to fork out more money for the 3rd, 4th and 5th unit.
Assuming developer giving 10% rebate (zero downpayment needed)
1st house - 90% LTV, 10% rebate
2nd house - 90% LTV, 10% rebate
3rd house - 70% LTV, 10% rebate, 20% you need to top up with cash
4th house - 70% LTV, 10% rebate, 20% you need to top up with cash
5th house - 70% LTV, 10% rebate, 20% you need to top up with cash

By doing loan compression, 2 advantage:
1. DSR burst. meaning example ones income maybe can loan max a 600k property only. but by abusing this loophole, he/she now able to loan 5 X 400k to 600k property. Instead of buying 5 X 120k to 150k property.
2. 3rd, 4th, 5th house all getting 90% loan from bank as explain above.
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Bnm issue dsr and ltv guidelines for reasons. Those who has the resources to invest need not obtain loan through loan compression/fraud.

Signing on spa and loan agreement could be easy; making loan repayment is another story.

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post Dec 17 2018, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Dec 16 2018, 11:36 PM)
business always is business not matter what the era coming in. bank not stupid to reject the potential profit business except you not worth it.
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For the same reason, many joined money game.

In other countries, loan compression is bank fraud, a criminal offense.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Dec 17 2018, 12:10 AM

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