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post Sep 27 2018, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Sep 26 2018, 09:16 PM)
go big or go home..!
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go big or go broke

there wont be home anymore.
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post Oct 21 2018, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(cliffekent @ Oct 21 2018, 10:45 PM)
Some bank will check again CCRIS when first disburse money, if burst, they will lower your margin or terminate the loan. Like tiger bank. But this is random choose to check again. If you are the unlucky, den congrats u.

Doing loan compression, most important you got Holding power to do -ve gearing. If dun hv, then prepare go for bankrupt.
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Tbey will check B4 1st disbursenent

Also depends on how kong btw the signing of loan agreement and b4 1st disbursenent
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post Nov 7 2018, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(gks @ Nov 7 2018, 09:46 AM)

You play fire in kitchen you need to tahan the heat.
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Whoa gks...where you find this phase? Own make up ah?

Almost every thread also we need to tolerate the icy-manu-david show...

Its getting really old.
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post Nov 7 2018, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 7 2018, 04:34 PM)
Unker, you are a regular feature also.
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I dun go around and refute every single post of yours.
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post Nov 7 2018, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Nov 7 2018, 04:57 PM)
You must free up your quota, clear either your first or second house loan.
Nobody do compress loan / multiple submission with 70% LTV. Defeat the purpose.
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Why not for multiple submission? You get to buy more properties instead of one. Almost everyone has limited loan capacity (i meant commoners not high flyers).
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post Dec 16 2018, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(ultimate93 @ Dec 15 2018, 09:41 PM)
Hi Sifu2, yesterday I went to a stock investment preview class, the so call master mentioned about loan compression...
Can sifu sifu tell me what's the purpose of doing compressed loan?
If that guy financial able to buy 5 house at the same time, why dont he just follow the right way?
Or other way, if the guy is not capable to have 5 house, after he do the loan compression to get 5 approved loan, how could he pay back monthly installment?

Sorry a newbie without an asset LOL
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if a person can get 5 loans now, with loan compression he can get 25 loans, provided timing chun chun.

most persons will no have the capacity to pay 5 loan installments at the same time, therefore loan compression strategy is to flip the property upon Vp, taking profit straight away.

another name for loan compression is also known as 'rob the bank' method. when banks want your biz, they will pretend they didnt know anything. however when banks dont want your biz, there is more than 1 way to catch these people.

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post Dec 16 2018, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(ultimate93 @ Dec 16 2018, 08:19 PM)
Sorry dude, i am not clear about the loan payment
Let say the guy is not capable for 5 houses, how he gonna pay the installment before VP ?
Is it for under con project i no need to pay installment before VP ??
Great info bro
But another question, is it possible to do 100% loan? So when there's 10% rebate, i will able to overloan and get 10% of extra cash flow??
Sorry sifu2 for such newbie question... just interesting to know more rclxm9.gif
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There are ways but dunno how banks offered such terms boh
1. Dun pay anything until vped. Meaning the interest occured during wip will add on to the loan amt.
2 pay progreasive interest while waiting for vp. The amount wont be that great, perhaps on average per year 2% only.
I think tis is what our guru by the name of Abe constantly talked about......apa building war chest...


There rarely any project offered 100% loan these days...maybe some special prima houses only

Some of these financial methods only 'playable'for certain times. I Seriously dunno if this loan compression thing still work in 2018 to 2020/21.

This post has been edited by BEANCOUNTER: Dec 16 2018, 10:30 PM
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post Dec 17 2018, 01:43 AM

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QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Dec 16 2018, 11:36 PM)
business always is business not matter what the era coming in. bank not stupid to reject the potential profit business except you not worth it.
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Irony isnt?

Bank only hiew people that have money.

Where do cash poor people go and borrow money?
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post Dec 17 2018, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 17 2018, 09:28 AM)
Cash back is personal loan in other name, is a liability. Amount interest paid over extended loan tenure could be higher than short term personal loan.
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Cadh back interest same w housing loan lah...
Cheapest loan interest ever.
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post Dec 18 2018, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 18 2018, 09:50 AM)
While this is true, the low interest is beneficial. In general personal loans have more than double the annual interest rates of a mortgage, and limited to just 10 years.

A loan is a loan, assuming that we do not care what we call these loans (personal vs mortgage-cash-back), it is always advantageous to borrow more, stretch the tenure, and pay lower interests - as long as you use the capital to earn more than the interest rate that is. Businesses should be all over it.

In fact, they do. Take bond for example, highly rated bond issuers have exceptionally low coupon rates. If you do not capitalize your rating (company) and high MV property (mortgage applicant), you are wasting that opportunity. This is especially true for those who end up taking personal/business loans later in their life.

Of course, one can choose to live a lowly-geared life and that is fine, however YOLO  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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its either you want your money to work harder for you

or

you work harder for the money and for your bank

Entirely your choice,
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post Dec 18 2018, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(prozdennis @ Dec 18 2018, 12:32 PM)
maybe u have different thoughts, for me, borrow extra from bank is very hard.. if can borrow extra. better be.. no one will pay according to the installment one, trust me..  Within 10 to 15 years, you may sell the house already...
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No one sticks to the full term loan bcos property in malaysia is still cheaper

Imagine japan hong kong taiwan etc...you will be glad you have a good father that doesnt left you with a generation loan.

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post Dec 18 2018, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 18 2018, 02:15 PM)
There is no doubt debt is a tool like knife, is useful and could also be harmful depending on the user. empirically, those never experience handle large sums of money or debt is unlikely able to handle prudently.
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At least i agree w yr last part.

Thats why those grass root level ppl that always scapping for a dollar in life and when they do strike lottery, they wont be able to handle the sudden windfall. Statistics shows that many winners live they post lottery winning days poorer than before

Thats why ppl with biz sense and financial knowledge should be able to handle big lump sum better
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post Dec 18 2018, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(AvenueX @ Dec 18 2018, 05:33 PM)
Bro, he's biased la. Don't waste your time arguing. He makes a living selling loans anyway.
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there is nothing wrong to make living selling loans. banks also sell housing loans. why they rank more superior than other people selling the same thing?

don't be so uptight about debts and loans. different people see things from different lights.
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post Dec 19 2018, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(Syahrim Naim @ Dec 19 2018, 09:39 AM)
Some banks yes. Not all I heard.
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Also depends on how long the request for 1st disbursement to the date of approval of loan agresment.
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post Dec 19 2018, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Dec 19 2018, 01:44 PM)
when we do compress loan, do we need pay undertable cash money for the job done nicely without getting caught?
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Apa lu csksp?
Pay to who?
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post Dec 26 2018, 02:10 AM

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QUOTE(hazwan_zohdi @ Dec 25 2018, 04:22 PM)
No free lunch in this world, u need to pay to know.
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you can pay but its all you need to know or

what they want you to know?
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post Jan 3 2019, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(poilam @ Dec 31 2018, 07:08 PM)
Bank won’t withdraw after first disbursement. The only risk is the bank check ur ccris again prior first disbursement
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bank can withdraw anytime if your creditworthiness has changed, unless your keep your repayment flowing as usual, and they might just close one eye
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post Jan 13 2019, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(freedom8901 @ Jan 4 2019, 04:04 PM)
Oh damn, I am screwed!
Just joking tongue.gif
I am not saying I gonna use ALL my cashout for reinvestment.

Anyway, let's take one of my unit as example:

Projected cashout: ~RM80K

Monthly installment: RM1.4K
Monthly maintenance and miscellaneous cost: ~RM600
Total monthly commitment: ~RM2K

Current planning (disclaimer: estimated figures)
Option 1, Rent by dust: RM0
Option 2, Rent by unit: RM800-RM1K
Option 3, Rent by rooms with partition: RM1.5-RM2K

Deficit annually (disclaimer: estimated figures)
Rent by dust: RM24K
Rent by unit: RM12K-RM14.4K
Rent by rooms with partition: RM0-RM1.2K

Deficit after 5 years (disclaimer: estimated figures)
Rent by dust: RM120K
Rent by unit: RM60K-RM72K
Rent by rooms with partition: RM0-RM6K

I am opting for option 3, will personally manage all the units.
So, if i gone rouge and decided to use ALL the cashout for new car, watch, holidays stocks and more properties, does the figures make sense?
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I am query abt ur figures in 1st part.
If installment is 1.4k yr property likely to be around 300k.
For 300k popety yr monthly maintenance is 600/mth???

Yr projected cash out of 80k is for 1unit or 6 units???

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post Jan 15 2019, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(freedom8901 @ Jan 15 2019, 10:20 AM)
Maintenance is less than 200 each unit, I put it as worst case scenario "touchwood" I need fork out extra 400 per month for god knows what reasons

80k EACH unit.....round of applause?
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maintenance fee less than 200 but you bump up to 600??????

you are either a very conservative accountant or a super smart salesman.

i will avoid like a plague for any project that offer 'cash back' scheme. there is only one reason developer gives cash back....that is their selling price is way over market price and they cant reduce the price to sell, therefore they gave 'cash back' to buyers as incentive to move these units with original unattendable SPA price.

Verdi is one great example.......and there is no surprise that verdi was named the honour of top 5 most lelong units in klang valley.

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post Jan 15 2019, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(freedom8901 @ Jan 15 2019, 11:26 AM)
Small reward is a must!

Spent the last two years working two jobs to boost my dsr and the past one year viewing and shortlisting more than ten units in one day
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how about try 3 jobs and study part time for about 5 years?

you guys all got pampered.

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