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post Mar 19 2007, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(sets84 @ Mar 15 2007, 11:23 AM)
holy priests can never beat a lock.. period
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I second this, unless the lock is drunk or is experiencing serious lag issues. IMO, lock seriously wins all except BM hunters. My afflic lock wins almost all duels with non twinks non hunters post lv40. I have 2 instant fear/howl. Cases where I lost the duel is against of course BM spec hunters. All they need to do is make their pets big and red and it's GG. Against fire mages who managed to sheep and 2 shot me. Against UD rogues who resisted/break fear and stun locked like no tomorrow. All others is fear dot dot and GG. Against warriors in berserker mode = CoE dot dot run around and wait until they drop.

Were you wearing a lot of shadow resist gears when playing against a lock? Or else I have no idea how a holy priest can win against a lock.

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post Mar 19 2007, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 19 2007, 01:08 PM)
http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/02/21/and-t...layer-goes-too/

the most hilarious WoW Forum posting ever.
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Aww..man! Topic deleted!!
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post Mar 19 2007, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(Shopboy @ Mar 19 2007, 05:20 PM)
Hmm... ok... let say in bg u met a holy priest, how long it took you to kill one assuming he is full mana?? i mean ofcourse equal gear. I'm a Alliance Priest I pvp horde most of the time (horde is considered the better pvper in general right? so I'm not playing with Drunk/lag lock ALL THE TIME).

my secret to beat all mana usage class?? even hunter... except melee mana user i.e. enchantment shammy and even warlock (if he bring out Antena Dog and Fel Guard then most of the time GG for me).

1- Shield, Renew on me
2- Shadow word: Pain
3- Mana Burn if against healer
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4- Step in Melee (using a 2H staff) for non-healer
5- Hit fear when timer is up. Gheal to full Health recast renew/shield

I'm sure you have a holy priest on your server, If the way they pvp is Holyfire + Smite then is GG for him, but try to ask him to self heal and see if you can dot dot fear kill him, I'm sure by the time u oom he still have 30% of his mana and as the deminishing return of fear and charm, your next fear and charm will only affect him 2~3sec. if you are afflict lock? I'm not worried, with succy? I'm not worried... I'm just affraid you have fel puppy/guard. cause your dot dot fear won't work on a priest. Try it, but don't whine in Offical forum to nerf priest pls  sad.gif

However against warrior/rogue/cat is 100% gg for me.

Just discuss but dun flame please.
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Yep agree with no flaming. BTW, my first main and the ONLY character that I've brought to raid is a holy priest.

You kept saying that dot dot fear don't work, why?

OK, let's say you have fear ward. But I have Death coil and howl of teror, which are NOT fears. As a BE, I have an AOE silence too. Say I don't use fear coz you will resist all fears that I cast due to fear ward, then I cast howl of terror when you first try to heal yourself, shadow bolt, renew dots cast death coil when you try to heal 2nd time (by this time you should be dead already). Bear in mind that all this time my succubus is pounding on you. Say if you're still alive and still try to heal, I use the BE AOE silence skill. I believe that all this can happen within 30 seconds so all you can do is fear me once but I have the trinket. Say you're STILL alive, succubus can always charm. Thing here is not about how long I get to fear you but I fear to INTERRUPT your self heal. But of course if against 1 vs 1 duel with a caster, I'll always get my fel pup out. Although, against a mage, most of the time my holy priest get to outheal his/her mana.

If you're not a dwarf then fear dot dot fear bye bye. Would love to know how my holy priest can win a lock.

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post Mar 20 2007, 03:57 PM

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While you run around and melee me, dont expect me to be trying to cast shadowbolt. I can melee and drain life (70% chance of not being interrupted with fel concentration). You cannot dispel my Curses. I can CoA first then when your hp goes down to below 50% I will put a CoT = 3 sec flash heal. When you first try to heal, death coil = interrupt your heal. 2nd time try to heal (with CoT on you) succy charm and interrupt your heal while I cast SB. 3rd time try to heal, Arcane Torrent to interrupt and silence u for 2 secs while I cast a 2nd SB.

And I'm not sure what do you mean by you being holy and succy don't disrupt your spell casting, don't think you're immune to charm like warriors in berserker? Oh and when you 1st fear and heal, we can use trinket to break fear then death coil/arcane torrent. If you're not a dwarf then all the better. Fear dot dot SB fear dot dot SB (yes I know about diminishing returns in fear but before you can be immune to it you're already dead). I have taken down countless shaman and rogues with this technique and I don't believe that a holy priest will have more stamina than a rogue.

edit: oh and UA is Affliction tree talent spell. Dispel that and its GG.

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post Mar 20 2007, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(<* Star Dust *> @ Mar 20 2007, 06:01 PM)
i've seen some rogues actually taken down warlocks at late game recently...
thnx 2 cloak of shadow... even death coil cannot save locks...

rogues has bcome one of de best pvp character in de game...
i tink rogue can rival vit locks late game...

jus my 2 cents though...
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Yes, I've been beaten by rogues a good many times as a warlock. The point that I was justifying was that since I can fear dot dot SB fear dot dot SB a rogue to death, I should be able to do that to a priest with no fear ward considering a rogue's sta should be higher than that of the holy priest. I mean this in a GENERAL sense, not special priests with +769374602734 sta gears
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post Mar 20 2007, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(Shopboy @ Mar 20 2007, 08:19 PM)
I can't believe you didn't notice when rogue/ warrior/ shammy/ pally circle & walk thru you all your non instant spell is uncastable, therefore blizz gave you deathcoil as instant to make a distance.
Not true. The reason you stop casting when people walk through you is because they are behind you while for you to cast that spell, that person has to be in FRONT of you. If they are circling you can turn while casting and you WILL finish casting if you are facing them all the time. You can cast and turn left and right as long as you don't move from the spot.

As for Fear + SB, as you said, deathcoil is instant and so is howl of terror (afflic built) to make a distance hence straight after casting death coil cast the 1.5 sec fear. DoT up, SB, fear, SB, Drain, Fear SB GG. This is of course only applicable when there is no Fear Ward.

I know which priest spells are instant and which are not since I HAVE a pve raid spec holy/disc priest who went raiding. CoT is to allow time to disrupt heal since ALL heals are NOT instant except for renew which is HoT.

For priest against wars....unless the war is very prot spec or else I dont know how too. However, I've duelled a 2H war in XR (this is pre TBC) with my priest where I SWP and run around those 2 cars parked near the flight master with the war trying to catch up. So...if there's an environment object where you can use, use it.

BTW, really no hard feelings about the priest vs lock thing ok? I'm trying to learn how to pvp and nothing better than knowing thy enemy:D
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post Mar 21 2007, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 20 2007, 11:46 PM)

seen: while ur draining ur melee stops. so it didnt really mattered.

seen again: prayer of lol spammmending tongue.gif

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Sorry, wrong choice of word, I meant melee OR drain. But the main point is to say that locks can do other stuff other than casting the 3 secs SB. Btw I didn't know that drain life can be dispelled so I did learn something new from all these, thanks! smile.gif

Umm...what's the lol spam for? >.<

Since we're kinda off track and discussing about class vs class duels, any ideas on how the HELL to beat BM hunters with their big red pets as a lock? And any casters has experience with Warriors who has spell reflect? How bad is it for casters?
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post Mar 22 2007, 09:04 AM

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I'm pretty sure the "target must be in front of you" msg has been there for a while.

I've always have this notion in my mind that if a fire mage can get you sheeped, it's pretty much GG for you.
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post Mar 28 2007, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(limsk @ Mar 28 2007, 09:43 AM)
There is only one way to see who walks the talk... test server duel!

Tell us when so the rest of us can bring the keropok and watch
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Agree!

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 28 2007, 09:53 AM)
when your at a certain level, test server blows lol. ur own gear > the test server gear
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But the debate here is about a holy priest beating a non fel pup non full demo lock when both are with similar gears. So I guess it will be the closest to "fair" in test realms
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post Mar 28 2007, 02:04 PM

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but what has a rogue got to do with a holy priest vs lock duel? Or are we just talking about all class vs all other classes now?
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post Mar 28 2007, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 28 2007, 03:06 PM)
because i dont have a priest? unless you want to duel my lvl15 guild bank.

i could use sichiri's priest (and ive used his priest to pvp quite a lot before and its pretty fun ^^) but atm hes only lvl66

guess you both missed my point?
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I'm actually still missing the point... rclxub.gif

 

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