I got a 60 UD shadow priest in PVP realm, I got another 60 Human Holy Priest in PVE realm. and Now I'm lvling my mage, just wonder why most Malaysian in PVP realm, more challenging?

Pros in PVP =

- Can camp corpse and gank newbie for fun.
- When you 40 MC/BWL, you can block the opposite faction from BRD/BRS.

Cons in PVP =

- Kena corpse camp and ganked by high lvl when you just wanna (insert activity here).
- When opposite faction gathered in BRD for 40 man raid u gotta wait else they gang rape u.

Pros in PVE =

- You can be any spec you like. (i.e. Priest can be full holy without worries to kena stunt lock).

Cons in PVE =

- Other than can't camp corpse and gang newbies... I can't think of any, infact if you want fair PVP you can even log in your opposite faction's alt to shout in the city that whoever wanna PVP come infront of where and when.

I got a lots more reason for this, but lets discuss

This post has been edited by Shopboy: Mar 14 2007, 09:30 AM

In this matter I can say that Horde is not very good at helping each other, coz you can easily summon bunch of alliance to Raid Crossroad, but never seems to be able to motivates horde to raid Alliance.

Once I ganked a human priest... twice, then he come back with a higher lvl rogue (so fast =P). But when I kena ganked I can't seems to get help from Horde =P

As I'm PVE atm... do you have any problems when all of you start Rampart/Furnace? I can Imagine it will be a blood bath cause every one starts at the same place... now should be better

This post has been edited by Shopboy: Mar 14 2007, 09:55 AM

Why Allies gets burned?? this is PVP vs PVE topic... leave gnomes alone >"<

imho the previous dark zone is STV, now I guess everywhere in OUTLAND... coz everywhere I go those stupid horde are in my way KSing my mobs, can't imagine you can complete a single quest imho.

As I like to try on all different spec. I dun think I wanna be a holy spec priest with a 'free HK' on my forehead. Just like in my previou PVP realm I must play a UD shadow priest, else kena Ganked by Alliance every now and then.

And in PVP realm you got excessive rogue player, while in PVE most guild are actually recruiting rogue 1 rogue is great, but I've been to a UBRS consist of 4 rogue... too much??

If you wanna PVP so much go battleground, more HK. however if you like to gank on a oom mage, then PVP realm is for you

And in PVP realm you can't create toon in opposite faction but in PVE you can do that, so you can actually transfer your Horde Gear to Your Ally char or vice versa.

You are trying to do a quest... then some lvl 70 gank you, you log out and bring in your lvl 70, then you managed to revenge, later 2 lvl 70 spawn and kills you... they you call your guildies for assistance, so forth... end of the day, no one dinged no one get any epic no gold earned no quest done... all you get is frustration

I'm not sure how well you pvp as healer spec for dr00d/shammy/pally. my holy priest can only beat mage/lock/non-silence hunter/pally/non-melee shammy/non catform drood, however in PVP realm all you see is rogue and more rogue... sometime invisible cat... I guess I'll have to make a NE or Rogue/Cat inorder to play in PVP realm again

ohh yeah... with Felguard & Antena dog I can't, holy priest die to anything melee. but I always win succy girl/ imp /no pet (demonic sacrificed I guess) lock. coz nub lock's dot dot fear dot dot charm dot dot shadow bolt tactic won't work.

Have you pvp with a holy priest seems unkillable before? I means in 1v1.

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Added on March 16, 2007, 9:32 amBare hand

This is not RO there is no Asura strike. Wonder what happened if WOW had Asura Strike can 1 Hit KO player... must be fun to see in the official forum, I expect everyone will /whine x 10000000, except pally - because they are getting Asura Strike next patch



This post has been edited by Shopboy: Mar 16 2007, 09:32 AM

Hmm... ok... let say in bg u met a holy priest, how long it took you to kill one assuming he is full mana?? i mean ofcourse equal gear. I'm a Alliance Priest I pvp horde most of the time (horde is considered the better pvper in general right? so I'm not playing with Drunk/lag lock ALL THE TIME).

my secret to beat all mana usage class?? even hunter... except melee mana user i.e. enchantment shammy and even warlock (if he bring out Antena Dog and Fel Guard then most of the time GG for me).

1- Shield, Renew on me
2- Shadow word: Pain
3- Mana Burn if against healer
or
4- Step in Melee (using a 2H staff) for non-healer
5- Hit fear when timer is up. Gheal to full Health recast renew/shield

I'm sure you have a holy priest on your server, If the way they pvp is Holyfire + Smite then is GG for him, but try to ask him to self heal and see if you can dot dot fear kill him, I'm sure by the time u oom he still have 30% of his mana and as the deminishing return of fear and charm, your next fear and charm will only affect him 2~3sec. if you are afflict lock? I'm not worried, with succy? I'm not worried... I'm just affraid you have fel puppy/guard. cause your dot dot fear won't work on a priest. Try it, but don't whine in Offical forum to nerf priest pls

However against warrior/rogue/cat is 100% gg for me.

Just discuss but dun flame please.

Ah... Afflic Lock and Succy, btw succy dps sucks, like I said I'll be using shield + renew, your only thread to me is Shadow bolt which is a 3.5 sec cast since u are not desto (I'm assuming u used cookie cutter spec, given its 3 sec I can flash heal x2), cause all your dot is dispellable, and I guarantee u that u can't just kill me with shadow bolt when I was feared, I'm sure u noticed the more u fear the more its easier to break right? btw ur succy can't distrupt my spell casting because we are holy =)

So I SW:P on you and walk towards you and start circling and melee on you (WOW bug every melee exploit when fight against caster, you can't fear/shadow bolt me when I 'walk thru you'), so your option is howl/deathcoil (man deathcoil should be ban in pvp >"<), so dun imagine that I'm standing there exchanging smite/ holyfire/selfheal with a lock, instead I'm fighting you when I have shield/renew on me, and you have shadow word: pain on you, so when my fear up I blow it and heal my self to full and manaburn you (why I melee there is another reason, because of 5 sec mana regen rule, when I wait for the next fear I'll gain atleast 1k mana before i resume my casting routine)

So... in all Lock with Succy is ok, Lock with Fel Puppy and Fel Guard is too much for me, lock is still one of the best PvPer when you have the right pet up, If you go to Priest Forum you'll noticed no one... I mean NO ONE whine about pvp, we just whine about pally/druid out heal us... thats true from a holy priest

We are talking about afflic lock, and desto lock = fire mage = easy. (i must assumed you use non-doggy pet... else u win)

And no... its not based on theory, based on pvp in bg, and in bg most lock don't use puppy.

Like I said... try to challenge a holy priest and try to burn them down... to be fair dun bring out fel puppy use other pet.

And by theory... I dun understand how someone can walk thru u cancel your casting >"<

btw no flaming. no theorycraft, lets keep this post clean

This post has been edited by Shopboy: Mar 20 2007, 11:44 AM

Actually I didn't see any of your previus post, other than priest can't beat a lock - period.

Since you are a desto lock with fel puppy you get a very high chance to win a holy priest, my previous post mentioned specifically I can only win non-puppy and non-fel guard lock.

I've already gimped myself to put into situation like 1v1, the true strength of holy priest lies in grp pvp. 2v2 3v3 5v5 holy priest plays a major roles and will influent the result.

As Desto Lock with Fel Puppy... How many time you pwnd by rogue post TBC? not flaming you, I just want to know, if you can beat rogue then you are the indeed best pvp in WOW.

Edit: yep I just read your post, so I do agreed with fel puppy u can silence and disenchant my only advantage and you win

This post has been edited by Shopboy: Mar 20 2007, 02:25 PM

my shield + renew is instant... your drainlife is dispellable and dispel = low mana cost than your drain life... btw dispell also instant... all the spell I mentioned I'll cast is instant, I'll only Gheal / flash heal when you try to do shadow bolt or when I feared you.

Like I said if you think that I'm like ordinary priest just stand there self heal and you are wrong... it will become a instant cast war, you can only hope your corrupt to proc night fall on 4%, coz drainlife is dispellable and its expensive for you to recast too. Why do you think I'll stand there cast flash heal or anything? I'm a pvp priest I know very well what you can do, a mage will counter, a rogue will kick, a pally will stunt, a warrior will (depent on spec MS/SS/shout), Shaman will ES, Shadow Priest will silent, druid will change into cat and meow meow, hunter will glad that you stand there and cast heal so he can run to an optimum distance and pew pew...

About curse... yes I can't dispell, so choose carefully what curse u wanna put. CoA < Renew and shield, about your fear and SB, use all u can before I walk thru you. I can't believe you didn't notice when rogue/ warrior/ shammy/ pally circle & walk thru you all your non instant spell is uncastable, therefore blizz gave you deathcoil as instant to make a distance.

Sigh... I'm just share my experience on how holy priest can beat lock but since no one appreciate I'll just keep it to myself then, if in the future when u see a holy priest come up to you and start melee in bg, that might be me

How ever I find it imposible to beat rogue/warrior/melee shammy/cat druid as holy, any other holy priest have any experience please share with me please

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Added on March 20, 2007, 8:23 pmI doubt it =)

I have a mage too, if you can sheep & 3 shot me with all your cool down then its fine, but if the pyro & POM/pyro doesn't crit then my chances of winning will be very high

The reason for disc priest? Pain suppression offcourse, but I find 'improved deathform' can do the same thing too and in dead form u can't be distrupted/dispell and u can heal your team member freely. however if you are fully disc. you bound to be sheep/silent/dispell/counterspell until your pain suppression timer is up. Most of the top 5v5 grp have a priest, but what spec I didn't check =P

btw I'm 30/31/0 so I'm heavily disc. too

This post has been edited by Shopboy: Mar 20 2007, 08:36 PM

thats Holy Priest do best and I just offered a solution to any holy priest don't wanna be a sitting duck/ Free HKs.

Anyway we can all share our pvp experience and be a better player, in the end I guess its all based on players skill, just like playing street fighter, I used Ken alot and I once had an epic 100+ straigh win of my life record. But someother people using Ken just lose misarable. Sometime it just based on player skill and we need to put ourself in the actual scenario.

About fire mage, if he dun CS/Sheep and I dun Fear/Dispell, just exchanging damage spell and heal I'm very confident holy priest will out heal any of mage damage. Ofcourse we gotta makesure both are in Pre Kara Gear (primal mooncloth for priest / spellfire for mage). I got -10% spell damge and +15% resist against fear/stun/charm.

P.S. (in the raid I tend not to waste DKP on pure healing gear too much, I'd like to get +damage gear so I can farm with smite & holyfire, if I said holy out dps shadow howmany of u will believes me? =P Anyway my guild still doing Kara and hasn't clear it, I guess no one in my server clear Kara yet)

So about the circling thingy... I noticed recently when they walk thru u u immediate got the message "target must be infront of u"... unlike previously u still get to turn around and hope it to resolve when u manage to face your opponent.

Yep... me will to do the same too, but I mentioned thats for my solo farming purposes, I got a mage alt/main to make water for myself so water is not an issues I just wanna burn down mobs ASAP. As in a grp no one will let me dps just heal

Holy out dps shadow when they obtained 700+ damage gear, shadow do not get much bonuses from damage gear because of only MB is critable and its 1.5 sec cast means you get only about 1/2 of your total +dmg gear, MF get penalty to +damage because of snare effect. however smite scale very well with +damage and holy/disc. has very good crit boost talent. The new holy nightfall is nice when proc, but it's not required here.

I remember there is many holy vs shadow dps post in the forum before, go read it out, end game holy dps > shadow. however like you said... no one wants a dps disc/holy priest, just like no matter how hard OOM kin argued in their forum that they can out dps mage & warlock, but no one wanted an OOM kin/ Disc.Holy Smite priest in a grp. Also Holy priest pvp still lose to most of the class out there. (i.e. rogue & warrior which is more than 50% of the population)

Woot!!! someone finally agreed holy priest can out heal firemage dps, thats all i need to prove, as someone mentioned mage can out dps a holy priest's heal. As for pvp. I know, I'll step in melee. and ofcourse I'll dispell and fear and heal to full when needed, but most of the time I dun have to fear/manaburn, when I melee and walk thru them its GG for them, some went desperate and spam AE... thats when I spam holy nova for some quick dps+heals... I really have no issue fighting mage here...

I'm glad so much of us interested in pvp technique here, should I create a 'How to beat xxx' topic? so everyone can share with us their experience when someone have problems fighting xxx.

Hmmm... can I ask?? If I said pre BC Soul Link Warlock can tank Onyxia... Howmany here will said I'm carzy?? maybe we are not ready to hear about holy priest win most mana usage class/ holy out dps shadow endgame / warlock tank Onyxia kind of stuff here

This post has been edited by Shopboy: Mar 22 2007, 02:51 AM

Also grands me immune to sheep and stunt when ignite, woot!!! hasn't you heard mages are bugging Blizzard to take of molten armor's proc in the forum? btw nothing mage can cast I can't dispell...

Walkthru is a joke? I ress my case here, can you tell me when he try to walkthru you, which way you gonna turn when he stack with you? because that is the time u get "target must be infront of you message"

Insta spell for fire mage = CoC, FB, Dragonbreath, AE/AB (Side note: As a mage I won't count on CoC and DB too much because they are kind of hard to target. to ensure 100% hit I need to face the opponent and reverse before i hit the button )

This post has been edited by Shopboy: Mar 22 2007, 03:13 AM

like I said in BG and in solo gank spot, I never met a lock with fel puppy, I think the chances you meet a holy priest wonder in bg/outdoor = 1%? a rogue hide behind a bush and jump on you = 60%? (its true... i got ganked by rogue the most)

I guess no one even bother to read how I beat mage/lock just jump to Priest can't beat lock/mage. sigh... I kept saying a priest cast smite 1v1 is a dead priest but no one reads em... whatever then, I believe no one here actually plays a priest, anyway goodluck ganking priest.

However Quaz mentioned ppl tank Onyxia Nakedly? I'm not sure how that can be done? 0 Armor and 0 FR? please let me know how they do that? if he is naked how much HP he has? won't Onyx just 1~2 shot him?

I wanna eat KFC

what can you do with your mage large epeen?