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TSnight_owl
post Apr 6 2017, 07:18 PM, updated 9y ago

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Hi. May i know any one option strategy which can allow investor to benefit (gain positive profit) from the falling prices of its underlying stock?
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post Apr 6 2017, 10:14 PM

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Buy put options

Learn black scholes calculation
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post Apr 7 2017, 01:14 AM

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Buy Put options
Sell Call options

Or a combination of the above
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post Apr 7 2017, 01:41 AM

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When Implied Volatility is Low:

1) buy puts
2) bear vertical spreads: buy ATM call/sell ITM call or buy ATM put/sell OTM put
3) buy ITM call calendar spreads or buy OTM put calendar spreads


When Implied Volatility is Moderate:

Borrow shares and sell short the underlying


When Implied Volatility is High:

1) sell calls
2) bear vertical spreads: buy OTM call/sell ATM call or buy ITM put/sell ATM put
3) sell OTM call calendar spreads or sell ITM put calendar spreads
duplicated
post Apr 7 2017, 04:25 PM

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Is there Options trading for Malaysian equities?
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post Apr 7 2017, 08:49 PM

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Newbie to Options? Good learning spot:
https://www.tastytrade.com/tt/learn

Malaysia? "Buy side Call options" only - AKA Warrants only,
unlike
the full Buy/Sell Call/Put options for US markets + AU market (from what i read only, never traded)
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post Apr 10 2017, 11:10 AM

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Noob Question:

Selling Puts & Calls (using my broker) requires a huge margin limit. Any way to sell options without having the margin to afford 100 shares of the underlying stock?

Example, to sell 1 put option of FB, i need 100*$140 of capital.
Any way around this?
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post Apr 10 2017, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(win44 @ Apr 10 2017, 11:10 AM)
Noob Question:

Selling Puts & Calls (using my broker) requires a huge margin limit. Any way to sell options without having the margin to afford 100 shares of the underlying stock?

Example, to sell 1 put option of FB, i need 100*$140 of capital.
Any way around this?
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Selling naked (i.e. Without holding the underlying stock) carries fairly high risk, that's why it needs a lot of margin - I'm not aware of any brokers that allow you to sell without a large margin requirement.
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post Apr 10 2017, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 6 2017, 10:14 PM)
Buy put options

Learn black scholes calculation
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is protective put a better choice? hmm.gif
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post Apr 10 2017, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 7 2017, 01:14 AM)
Buy Put options
Sell Call options

Or a combination of the above
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if long straddle and put option is not allowed, what other options can i use? sad.gif
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post Apr 11 2017, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(win44 @ Apr 10 2017, 11:10 AM)
Noob Question:

Selling Puts & Calls (using my broker) requires a huge margin limit. Any way to sell options without having the margin to afford 100 shares of the underlying stock?

Example, to sell 1 put option of FB, i need 100*$140 of capital.
Any way around this?
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Sell spreads aka verticals

Using your same example on FB:
Sell Put $140 1 contract
Buy Put $130 1 contract
= Margin required $10 spread *100

OR
Sell Put $140 1 contract
Buy Put $135 1 contract
= Margin required $5 spread *100
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post Apr 11 2017, 08:39 PM

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option is the hardest financial instrument to master and it's not really worth it unless you're trading a huge volume
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post Apr 12 2017, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(Puting Vladimir @ Apr 11 2017, 08:39 PM)
option is the hardest financial instrument to master and it's not really worth it unless you're trading a huge volume
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nothing worthwhile is easy to master or even master-able.

anyhow, funny... huge volume in Options may get U killed - leveraged instruments.
"trade small, trade often" + portfolio approach.
use the statistics + macro, for higher probability of profit
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QUOTE(Puting Vladimir @ Apr 11 2017, 08:39 PM)
option is the hardest financial instrument to master and it's not really worth it unless you're trading a huge volume
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If you can understand the Greeks (Delta, Theta, Gamma, Implied Volatility etc.), mastering options is no problem. Also, because some brokers charge commission high enough that one needs a huge spread or volume to breakeven, even profit.

Also I would not really spend on higher trading volume or you would just turn the options market into a casino. While I have seen people winning huge, there are also traders in options, spend all, lose all. But with the proper risk analysis, research, options should not really be a problem to master. Takes practice for months, even years to master it but not a problem.
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post Apr 12 2017, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 11 2017, 05:04 PM)
Sell spreads aka verticals

Using your same example on FB:
Sell Put $140 1 contract
Buy Put $130 1 contract
= Margin required $10 spread *100

OR
Sell Put $140 1 contract
Buy Put $135 1 contract
= Margin required $5 spread *100
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I would like to ask a question as I am relatively new to Options. I have an idea but I am not sure if this will work.

Let's put it this way.
current price of the underlying stock is ~$100

Buy Call at $100
Buy Put at $100

At the end of the timeframe or in the middle of it, the price must have moved considerably away from the $100 (in any direction), hence making us profits.

My question is, is this feasible?
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post Apr 12 2017, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(duplicated @ Apr 12 2017, 06:11 PM)
I would like to ask a question as I am relatively new to Options. I have an idea but I am not sure if this will work.

Let's put it this way.
current price of the underlying stock is ~$100

Buy Call at $100
Buy Put at $100

At the end of the timeframe or in the middle of it, the price must have moved considerably away from the $100 (in any direction), hence making us profits.

My question is, is this feasible?
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hehe - think cost of time decay or Theta

When U BUY an option, U are buying the TIME + CONTRACTUAL RIGHT (extrinsic value)
As the time of the contract passes, what do U think will happen to the cost or premium of the option, assuming the underlying doesn't move?

ALSO - when U Buy an option AND don't have the $ to exercise the option (which is usually the case -100 units of FB, imagine) - how to make $?
U turn around & sell your option right?
By the time U sell your option, the contract DTE (Days to Expiry) is shorter than when U bought right?
So.. the value of the option, again assuming all else being the same like no movement in underlying, U can sell for higher or lower premium than your BUY cost?

If U can answer the above clearly, U will have answered your own Q whether feasible or not

Sorry ar - i usually ask Qs for clarity or leading one to find one's own answer coz i ain't no sifu, still big L (learner) plate notworthy.gif

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Apr 12 2017, 10:29 PM
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post Apr 13 2017, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 12 2017, 07:08 PM)
hehe - think cost of time decay or Theta

When U BUY an option, U are buying the TIME + CONTRACTUAL RIGHT (extrinsic value)
As the time of the contract passes, what do U think will happen to the cost or premium of the option, assuming the underlying doesn't move?


ALSO - when U Buy an option AND don't have the $ to exercise the option (which is usually the case -100 units of FB, imagine) - how to make $?
U turn around & sell your option right?
By the time U sell your option, the contract DTE (Days to Expiry) is shorter than when U bought right?
So.. the value of the option, again assuming all else being the same like no movement in underlying, U can sell for higher or lower premium than your BUY cost?

If U can answer the above clearly, U will have answered your own Q whether feasible or not

Sorry ar - i usually ask Qs for clarity or leading one to find one's own answer coz i ain't no sifu, still big L (learner) plate notworthy.gif
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Thanks.

Regarding the bolded part. Doesn't the intrinsic value only lost when we have not purchased it. Once it is purchased it's not relevant anymore. Am I right?

In my case, I will buy at the beginning of the week/month and sell them when a profit in achieved (when the market has moves either way profitably).
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post Apr 13 2017, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(duplicated @ Apr 13 2017, 10:42 AM)
Thanks.

Regarding the bolded part. Doesn't the intrinsic value only lost when we have not purchased it. Once it is purchased it's not relevant anymore. Am I right?

In my case, I will buy at the beginning of the week/month and sell them when a profit in achieved (when the market has moves either way profitably).
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er.. i'm lost.

i stated extrinsic value, U state intrinsic
i stated Theta or time decay effect on options' premium, U stated.. nothing

perhaps totally different wavelength - can't help U gain clarity

 

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