Hi. May i know any one option strategy which can allow investor to benefit (gain positive profit) from the falling prices of its underlying stock?
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Apr 6 2017, 07:18 PM, updated 9y ago
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Hi. May i know any one option strategy which can allow investor to benefit (gain positive profit) from the falling prices of its underlying stock?
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Apr 6 2017, 10:14 PM
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Buy put options
Learn black scholes calculation |
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Apr 7 2017, 01:14 AM
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Buy Put options
Sell Call options Or a combination of the above |
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Apr 7 2017, 01:41 AM
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When Implied Volatility is Low:
1) buy puts 2) bear vertical spreads: buy ATM call/sell ITM call or buy ATM put/sell OTM put 3) buy ITM call calendar spreads or buy OTM put calendar spreads When Implied Volatility is Moderate: Borrow shares and sell short the underlying When Implied Volatility is High: 1) sell calls 2) bear vertical spreads: buy OTM call/sell ATM call or buy ITM put/sell ATM put 3) sell OTM call calendar spreads or sell ITM put calendar spreads |
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Apr 7 2017, 04:25 PM
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Is there Options trading for Malaysian equities?
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Apr 7 2017, 08:49 PM
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Newbie to Options? Good learning spot:
https://www.tastytrade.com/tt/learn Malaysia? "Buy side Call options" only - AKA Warrants only, unlike the full Buy/Sell Call/Put options for US markets + AU market (from what i read only, never traded) |
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Apr 10 2017, 11:10 AM
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Noob Question:
Selling Puts & Calls (using my broker) requires a huge margin limit. Any way to sell options without having the margin to afford 100 shares of the underlying stock? Example, to sell 1 put option of FB, i need 100*$140 of capital. Any way around this? |
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Apr 10 2017, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(win44 @ Apr 10 2017, 11:10 AM) Noob Question: Selling naked (i.e. Without holding the underlying stock) carries fairly high risk, that's why it needs a lot of margin - I'm not aware of any brokers that allow you to sell without a large margin requirement.Selling Puts & Calls (using my broker) requires a huge margin limit. Any way to sell options without having the margin to afford 100 shares of the underlying stock? Example, to sell 1 put option of FB, i need 100*$140 of capital. Any way around this? |
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Apr 10 2017, 07:39 PM
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Apr 10 2017, 07:44 PM
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Apr 11 2017, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE(win44 @ Apr 10 2017, 11:10 AM) Noob Question: Sell spreads aka verticalsSelling Puts & Calls (using my broker) requires a huge margin limit. Any way to sell options without having the margin to afford 100 shares of the underlying stock? Example, to sell 1 put option of FB, i need 100*$140 of capital. Any way around this? Using your same example on FB: Sell Put $140 1 contract Buy Put $130 1 contract = Margin required $10 spread *100 OR Sell Put $140 1 contract Buy Put $135 1 contract = Margin required $5 spread *100 |
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Apr 11 2017, 08:39 PM
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option is the hardest financial instrument to master and it's not really worth it unless you're trading a huge volume
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Apr 12 2017, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(Puting Vladimir @ Apr 11 2017, 08:39 PM) option is the hardest financial instrument to master and it's not really worth it unless you're trading a huge volume nothing worthwhile is easy to master or even master-able.anyhow, funny... huge volume in Options may get U killed - leveraged instruments. "trade small, trade often" + portfolio approach. use the statistics + macro, for higher probability of profit |
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Apr 12 2017, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE(Puting Vladimir @ Apr 11 2017, 08:39 PM) option is the hardest financial instrument to master and it's not really worth it unless you're trading a huge volume If you can understand the Greeks (Delta, Theta, Gamma, Implied Volatility etc.), mastering options is no problem. Also, because some brokers charge commission high enough that one needs a huge spread or volume to breakeven, even profit.Also I would not really spend on higher trading volume or you would just turn the options market into a casino. While I have seen people winning huge, there are also traders in options, spend all, lose all. But with the proper risk analysis, research, options should not really be a problem to master. Takes practice for months, even years to master it but not a problem. |
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Apr 12 2017, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 11 2017, 05:04 PM) Sell spreads aka verticals I would like to ask a question as I am relatively new to Options. I have an idea but I am not sure if this will work. Using your same example on FB: Sell Put $140 1 contract Buy Put $130 1 contract = Margin required $10 spread *100 OR Sell Put $140 1 contract Buy Put $135 1 contract = Margin required $5 spread *100 Let's put it this way. current price of the underlying stock is ~$100 Buy Call at $100 Buy Put at $100 At the end of the timeframe or in the middle of it, the price must have moved considerably away from the $100 (in any direction), hence making us profits. My question is, is this feasible? |
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Apr 12 2017, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE(duplicated @ Apr 12 2017, 06:11 PM) I would like to ask a question as I am relatively new to Options. I have an idea but I am not sure if this will work. hehe - think cost of time decay or ThetaLet's put it this way. current price of the underlying stock is ~$100 Buy Call at $100 Buy Put at $100 At the end of the timeframe or in the middle of it, the price must have moved considerably away from the $100 (in any direction), hence making us profits. My question is, is this feasible? When U BUY an option, U are buying the TIME + CONTRACTUAL RIGHT (extrinsic value) As the time of the contract passes, what do U think will happen to the cost or premium of the option, assuming the underlying doesn't move? ALSO - when U Buy an option AND don't have the $ to exercise the option (which is usually the case -100 units of FB, imagine) - how to make $? U turn around & sell your option right? By the time U sell your option, the contract DTE (Days to Expiry) is shorter than when U bought right? So.. the value of the option, again assuming all else being the same like no movement in underlying, U can sell for higher or lower premium than your BUY cost? If U can answer the above clearly, U will have answered your own Q whether feasible or not Sorry ar - i usually ask Qs for clarity or leading one to find one's own answer coz i ain't no sifu, still big L (learner) plate This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Apr 12 2017, 10:29 PM |
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Apr 13 2017, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 12 2017, 07:08 PM) hehe - think cost of time decay or Theta Thanks.When U BUY an option, U are buying the TIME + CONTRACTUAL RIGHT (extrinsic value) As the time of the contract passes, what do U think will happen to the cost or premium of the option, assuming the underlying doesn't move? ALSO - when U Buy an option AND don't have the $ to exercise the option (which is usually the case -100 units of FB, imagine) - how to make $? U turn around & sell your option right? By the time U sell your option, the contract DTE (Days to Expiry) is shorter than when U bought right? So.. the value of the option, again assuming all else being the same like no movement in underlying, U can sell for higher or lower premium than your BUY cost? If U can answer the above clearly, U will have answered your own Q whether feasible or not Sorry ar - i usually ask Qs for clarity or leading one to find one's own answer coz i ain't no sifu, still big L (learner) plate Regarding the bolded part. Doesn't the intrinsic value only lost when we have not purchased it. Once it is purchased it's not relevant anymore. Am I right? In my case, I will buy at the beginning of the week/month and sell them when a profit in achieved (when the market has moves either way profitably). |
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Apr 13 2017, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE(duplicated @ Apr 13 2017, 10:42 AM) Thanks. er.. i'm lost.Regarding the bolded part. Doesn't the intrinsic value only lost when we have not purchased it. Once it is purchased it's not relevant anymore. Am I right? In my case, I will buy at the beginning of the week/month and sell them when a profit in achieved (when the market has moves either way profitably). i stated extrinsic value, U state intrinsic i stated Theta or time decay effect on options' premium, U stated.. nothing perhaps totally different wavelength - can't help U gain clarity |
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