No worries, I completely understand. I'm just hoping this doesn't turn into another war of words. Would be great if we can have a discussion rather than argument.

I'm with you on this. I like vocal captains who lead by example. They don't have to be the most skillful or the best but they must have good match temperament. He may mature into that mould one day, like Figo did.

No doubt that that's a very, very important traits for a captain. As a matter of fact, I don't even see Gaz as a proper captain, simply because he's not vocal as Keano, Schmikes, Cantona and brucey before him used to be. If it was up to me, I'd get Rio as captain because he isn't afraid to tell his mind.

But the fact of the matter is this, most people on this thread are saying that  Ronaldo can't be a captain because he used to dive quite a fair bit. And as you pointed out, that's not a trait that determines whether someone deserves to be a captain or not. If someone says that he doesn't have leadership or motivating qualities, I have no issues with that cause he certainly doesn't at the moment.

The fact of the matter is, he has cleaned up his act, a lot. You rarely see him dive nowadays compared to when he 1st arrived here. As for game changing dives, can you actually think of one where he dived and it totally changed the game?? People claimed that he dived against Boro in the FA Cup replay last year but there was clearly contact there by Woodgate. See it from whatever angle you want, there's clearly contact. He has one booking for diving this season, against Everton and that was clearly not a dive.

And definitely gotta disagree with Drogba cleaning up his act last season. he had plenty of dives and playacting last season. The one that stick out in my mind is of course his cartoon show with Lehmann. I'm going to say I have several instances in my mind where Gerrard dived and changed the game for you but not going to bother to mention it cause I'm sure you'll find ways to refute it just as most Man United will find ways to refute some by our players. But yeah, Gerrard has had his fair share.

And he got Rooney sent off??? C'mon, irregardless of whether he was there or not, Wazza would have gotten sent off for that stamp on Carvalho. the referee said so, hell even Wazza doesn't even blame him for the sending off, he says so in his book. Off field shenanigans???? He has had only 1 high profile misbehaviour and that is of course the orgy. So unless you seem to follow him around I don't know where you get your stories from. And whatever he does off the field, I don't really give a damn as long as he performs when he's on the field really.

Dont really care whether people consider him the best player in the world or not. Fact of the matter is, many club would piss in their pants had he wanted to sign for them now(Liverpool included). Don't appreciate your name calling of him either. But it's you personal choice so I'm not going to bother. I think of Gerrard as a hypocritical bast**d after his 'only foreigners dive' and 'sadly Cristiano Ronaldo has a dark side in his game' rant only to then proceed on a spate of diving himself but I don't bother putting that tag in front of his name but like I said, what you do is your problem.

And man United have never chosen their captain based on commercialism haven't we?? All our captains  in recent times has leadership qualities about them with the like of Keano, Cantona, Robbo, Schmeichel and Brucey comes to mind. if we were going to go for commercialism, Bekcham would have been made captain when he was here.