does he has the criteria,character to be a captain?
Discussion can c.ronaldo be a captain?
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 Mar 10 2007, 12:51 AM, updated 19y ago
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Mar 10 2007, 12:56 AM
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=.= i think this cant last long,there is always manutd thread,anyway,i don think he is the material to be captain.....yet
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owh man.. should discuss this on man utd thread only..
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he cannot be a captain for now coz he need more xprience in the industries..
b a secret weapon ok larr...hehehhee.. |
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Mar 10 2007, 12:57 AM
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not for me, yes hes an inspiring player to watch but he doesnt seem to have the leadership skills required... i'm afraid he;ll ask all his team mates to start dribblin like him haha
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Mar 10 2007, 01:00 AM
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No...he dont have the captain potential and the 'captain face'....
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Mar 10 2007, 01:01 AM
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i actually posted this thread frm manutd thread..but suddenly it ended here...have no idea why...hope dats ok...
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Mar 10 2007, 01:02 AM
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QUOTE(zaFrOoNaLdO @ Mar 10 2007, 01:01 AM) i actually posted this thread frm manutd thread..but suddenly it ended here...have no idea why...hope dats ok... ar??    |
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Mar 10 2007, 01:05 AM
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why burden ronaldo with captaincy ... unleash his skillz man .. no need waste his thoughts on captaining ....
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Mar 10 2007, 01:05 AM
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yes for portugal, but not for man utd
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Mar 10 2007, 01:14 AM
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Nop, not ronaldo but i would say rooney by miles few more years from now.
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Mar 10 2007, 01:21 AM
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Cristiano Ronaldo for captain?? hahaha..you must be joking..
I appreciated his dribbling skills but not his attitude..childish and likes to dive everywhere..  Rooney is a more suitable to become Man Utd captain than him.. |
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Mar 10 2007, 01:23 AM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAAH!
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Mar 10 2007, 01:32 AM
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QUOTE(jdreamer @ Mar 10 2007, 01:23 AM) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAAH! spammer...not now, and i dont think ronaldo is a captain material based on how and what he is so far.... maybe in the future.... time will tell |
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Mar 10 2007, 01:39 AM
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no for me. He don't have the characteristic to be a captain.
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Mar 10 2007, 02:00 AM
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he's still young..
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Mar 10 2007, 02:01 AM
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Not to be biased but Ronaldo...... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAz..
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Mar 10 2007, 02:43 AM
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am an ardent arsenal fan..but even since ronaldo was in portugal..im one of the admirer of c.ronaldo..now glad to see him performin in high level...but i dun prefer him to be captain..it wnt suit the style of his play....
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Mar 10 2007, 04:34 AM
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QUOTE(jdreamer @ Mar 10 2007, 01:23 AM) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAAH! seriously u need to read the forum rules...... QUOTE(jdreamer @ Mar 10 2007, 02:01 AM) Not to be biased but Ronaldo...... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAz.. LMAO.... Yeah.. I have the thought that C. Ronaldo is not an ideal captain (well, at least at this moment).. but I would expect you to post with at least with some informations or even a little bit of your reason or facts instead of .. hahafor a senior member, this kind of post seems to be... But anyhow, cheers.... At the moment, I would think Rooney is the better candidate if we are comparing the young-devil in the squad there |
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Mar 10 2007, 08:47 AM
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not that he's still young or lack of exp... for me he juz doesn't looks like some1 who can lead a team. I juz do see the leader materials in him, like those in Terry n Gerrard.
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Mar 10 2007, 08:49 AM
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No. Not yet at least. But who knows what might happen in the future?
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Mar 10 2007, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE(davidlow7 @ Mar 10 2007, 04:34 AM) seriously u need to read the forum rules...... Not that I don't want to. I just lose my errrrrrrrr... what, senior member's rep (?) when I see this.LMAO.... Yeah.. I have the thought that C. Ronaldo is not an ideal captain (well, at least at this moment).. but I would expect you to post with at least with some informations or even a little bit of your reason or facts instead of .. haha for a senior member, this kind of post seems to be... But anyhow, cheers.... At the moment, I would think Rooney is the better candidate if we are comparing the young-devil in the squad there  But anyway, IMO, it's not about him being young or unexprienced for now, it's just.. he's just somehow lacks of leaders' "uphm". Something like that. My apology for the previous posts.  |
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Mar 10 2007, 09:27 AM
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He can be a captain,but not now.
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Mar 10 2007, 10:29 AM
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he is too young to be a leader....his influnce also not so good since he had too much bad site news....
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Mar 10 2007, 10:35 AM
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he has the inspirational part
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Mar 10 2007, 10:39 AM
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that snotty punk? i quote Slamdunk, "AWAK MASIH 100 TAHUN AWAL!!!" or something like that
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Mar 10 2007, 11:24 AM
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it's cool Take. we must be patient with the handicapped.
ok, xNightCastlex, what i meant was...you following me? what i meant was, c.ronaldo is still too young. ooookkkk? do you understand that? it's ok to be slow. if u be a good boy, society might still accept you, someday. alright? |
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Mar 10 2007, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE(Naota-kun @ Mar 10 2007, 11:24 AM) it's cool Take. we must be patient with the handicapped. ouch..LOLok, xNightCastlex, what i meant was...you following me? what i meant was, c.ronaldo is still too young. ooookkkk? do you understand that? it's ok to be slow. if u be a good boy, society might still accept you, someday. alright? |
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Mar 10 2007, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(Take @ Mar 10 2007, 12:50 PM) ouch..LOL not laa..he just can be captain if he in the small kids squad, if he be captain, all teamates will fight againts him becoz he is hot temper man, can't control the situation,always make simple dive, |
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Mar 10 2007, 11:57 AM
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Driblling skills good, has a fast pace, the ability to score does not mean he can become a captain yet. Wanna compare these skills with the Fat Ronnie, C Ronaldo will lose hands down. Fat Ronaldo in Barca that time was godlike, greater than C Ronaldo in all aspects but yet he was never selected in his team as a captain before.
The Phenomenon achieved World Player of the year at such a young age, but never worn a captain's armband until today. In Brazil they have Dunga, Emerson then Cafu...but not fat ronnie. IMO, C R has still a lot to prove that he is truly at his prime and also his ability to become a captain. Honestly I love watching him running down the flanks and his skills really fascinated me. Hope that he will continue his current form to become one of the greatest players ever. This post has been edited by SephiRave: Mar 10 2007, 12:00 PM |
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Mar 10 2007, 12:39 PM
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oi! if anyone even dare to consider c.ronaldo as captain, there must be something wrong with his brains. right now his game is still too selfish at times and although i must say that it is his 'individual' performance at times that change the outcome of the game. but as a leader? now way! maybe another 5-7 years of maturity then maybe yes.
but if u look at another different teams like arsenal fabregas is qualified to be a leader though he is stil young he could lead his team and could influence the team performance. jus my 2 cents |
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Mar 10 2007, 12:52 PM
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he still don't have the quality to become captain
even rooney is better than him |
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Mar 10 2007, 02:18 PM
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he is the future captain of Portugal.
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Mar 10 2007, 02:35 PM
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quaresma is better than him but quaresma aint playing for the big club thats why ppl dont realize his REAL talent
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Mar 10 2007, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE(zickey @ Mar 10 2007, 02:35 PM) quaresma is better than him but quaresma aint playing for the big club thats why ppl dont realize his REAL talent he used to play for newcastle and barca. Since he move to porto, he play better football... |
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Mar 10 2007, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(zickey @ Mar 10 2007, 02:35 PM) quaresma is better than him but quaresma aint playing for the big club thats why ppl dont realize his REAL talent haha...barca reject is better than ronaldo...nice one...  |
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Mar 10 2007, 04:02 PM
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I'm gonna go against the trend and say: Yes, he can be captain for club and country. For all those who say someone who's skillful can't be captain...Eric Cantona, Zidane anyone?
I think C Ronaldo has proven that he's very strong mentally with all the nonsense that happened in the WC. He's got a winning attitude that inspires teammates. He's more than capable of captaining a side. |
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Mar 10 2007, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(zickey @ Mar 10 2007, 02:35 PM) quaresma is better than him but quaresma aint playing for the big club thats why ppl dont realize his REAL talent Quaresma played for Barca but he's so selfish, no teamwork last time..QUOTE(johnjenin @ Mar 10 2007, 02:39 PM) he used to play for newcastle and barca. Since he move to porto, he play better football... He never played for NUFC ar  If you said Hugo Viana..then yes  |
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Mar 10 2007, 07:11 PM
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no way not his turn yet, nx captain should b ferninand then vidic (maybe) > rooney or ronaldo.
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Mar 11 2007, 12:02 AM
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QUOTE(Notoriez @ Mar 10 2007, 06:57 PM) Quaresma played for Barca but he's so selfish, no teamwork last time.. haha...tat y i pening quaresma play for NUFC....He never played for NUFC ar If you said Hugo Viana..then yes btw age is not a prob to be a captain..look at Terry and Gerrard... C.ronaldo juz dun have the material to be... |
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Mar 11 2007, 12:05 AM
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Of coz can ! he has the material to become a captain of a bunch of the divers team ...definately no problem..rofl
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Mar 11 2007, 12:24 AM
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well..he is still young and immature to be a captain.... and his influence is not dat strong too i believe
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Mar 11 2007, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE(Batman @ Mar 11 2007, 12:05 AM) Of coz can ! he has the material to become a captain of a bunch of the divers team ...definately no problem..rofl HAHAHA    so funny   This post has been edited by maxizanc: Mar 11 2007, 12:30 AM |
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Mar 11 2007, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Mar 11 2007, 12:24 AM) well..he is still young and immature to be a captain.... and his influence is not dat strong too i believe young or old dont matter....its the personality and character... some people are meant to be leaders and some dont.... and ronaldo is and should be one of the followers........ |
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Mar 11 2007, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE(kcng @ Mar 11 2007, 12:27 AM) young or old dont matter.... haha....ya...like in FM...they said gerrard is born leader but ronaldo is jus a normal winger its the personality and character... some people are meant to be leaders and some dont.... and ronaldo is and should be one of the followers........ if a next cap candidate for mu , i think it would be ferdi or rooney...at least the chances is higher den c.r This post has been edited by Vinci777: Mar 11 2007, 12:41 AM |
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Mar 11 2007, 02:28 PM
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I think rooney will be a better captain than rio. If you read my story so far then, you should know better.
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Mar 11 2007, 02:47 PM
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No, even old player like Scholes also cannot.
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Mar 11 2007, 10:01 PM
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Dont think so. He is not vocal enough and captaincy are suited for a tackling midfielder IMHO. Like Carrick.
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Mar 12 2007, 12:20 AM
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QUOTE(zeist @ Mar 11 2007, 02:47 PM) No, even old player like Scholes also cannot. ur saying that scholes cannot be a captain?its not that he cannot be,but he does'nt want to be a captain..remember last time when roy keane gone frm mu,he was one of the candidates,but he took himself out first,coz he said he doesnt want to be a captain,he just want to enjoy playing football... |
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Mar 12 2007, 01:32 PM
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because sometimes, with the captaincy, comes responsibility and it might cause the player not to perform as per normal....
like henry maybe ? gilberto is better off as a captain imho.. |
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Mar 12 2007, 02:40 PM
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ronaldo don't have the captain face...
and he was linked to Real Madrid... |
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Mar 12 2007, 09:22 PM
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currently, i dun believe he is suitable to become a captain yet.. he do got the potential but he still havent show his commitment to the team... i believe wayney rooney will be with Man United for another 5 or more years.. however C ronald, i doubt it... just look at John Terry from chelsea, i believe he will be with chelsea for another 7 or 10 years.. they are the leader and captain for the team..
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Mar 13 2007, 01:05 PM
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In the future, why not? He looks capable.
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Mar 13 2007, 01:11 PM
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QUOTE(xNightCastlex @ Mar 10 2007, 10:44 AM) i dun understand ur monkey language this is insult to main language of malaysiacan u pls rephrase in english ? means u offence the rule of malaysia please dont do it again |
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Mar 13 2007, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE(Meis @ Mar 12 2007, 02:40 PM) ronaldo don't have the captain face... so?? big deal!! who said that being ugly or handsome will affect the captaincy?? like u said :'linked to real madrid'...it's just plain rumours. stupid reporters just make up stories for their newspaper sales. til now u oso dunno this kinda media tactics?? and he was linked to Real Madrid... c.ron has reiterated trillion times edi that he'll stay til contract ends and btw, just in case u dunno, manutd is currently preparing a contract extension & increase in pay for c.ron. so, get ur facts rite before u post such comments here. |
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Mar 13 2007, 04:44 PM
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Great player but at current I would not appoint him as captain. Team captains are not always the best players on their teams. Man Utd fans especially more recent ones may argue that Roy Keane was your best ever captain in recent times but my vote goes to Captain Marvel, Bryan Robson. Captains in my opinion should hold the team together and get everyone involved. In short, they should make the team play better. It is no secret that Man Utd played better as a team when Keano or Robbo were in it. Currently, Ronaldo is still a little to individualistic to me. Yes, there are moments where great players need to take it upon themselves to make solo runs and going for goal all by themselves but it would be better and easier on themselves should they get the whole team involved. It is my personal opinion that captains lead by example and the one part of Ronaldo's game that still gets to me is his tendency to go down too easy. If you look at Keano, he goes down only when he is forced to go down. I also do not think that Ronaldo is a big enough influence on the pitch to be a captain. He influences the game by virtue of his sublime skill but he does not influence his teammates.
I am not concluding that he cannot be a captain, I'm just saying he wouldn't be the best. When he does mature as a player and keep his temper in check, I think Rooney would make a better captain. This post has been edited by Duke Red: Mar 13 2007, 04:45 PM |
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Mar 13 2007, 11:11 PM
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i also vote no for him, just too young to be captain although recently he performance is very well. Just may b need to give him another 2 years to see hows his overall performance
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Mar 13 2007, 11:29 PM
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He played as captain when Potugal vs Brazil...haha...although there are many other senior players in the team...maybe scolari want to test him?
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Mar 14 2007, 12:51 AM
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not at the moment.
future, maybe. |
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Mar 14 2007, 01:52 AM
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Is hard man,if he show goodmanship n score a lot then can b captain
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Mar 14 2007, 03:45 AM
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QUOTE(killerloop81 @ Mar 14 2007, 01:52 AM) Is hard man,if he show goodmanship n score a lot then can b captain not all captain is made from alot of goals. |
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Mar 14 2007, 05:14 AM
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this f***ed up kids cannot be captain. he is too unexperience and no influence in the team. if he shout at his teammate most probably his teammate will kick him in his ass.
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Mar 15 2007, 04:15 AM
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he seems not good enough to be a captain now....=/
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Mar 15 2007, 10:24 AM
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but guess he`s captain of portugal rite if i`m not mistaken after figo retired from international football..
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Mar 15 2007, 05:16 PM
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hes still not ready yet yet i guess..
theres a lot of responsibilities to be a captain.. in the future...i dont think also.. he doesnt hav the captain charisma.. |
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Mar 15 2007, 05:32 PM
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He need to line up first, there are many more candidates qualified to be a captain.
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Mar 15 2007, 06:00 PM
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Not EXPERIENCED(a.k.a OLD) enough to become captain la. Peace\/
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Mar 15 2007, 07:59 PM
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as long the teamates respect him..but he got much time to improve and gain experiences
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Mar 15 2007, 08:09 PM
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I say No at the moment ..
A captain need to do alot of dirty work and inspired the team. Maybe ronaldo has skills and good in goal scoring but not the character of a captain yet. i would prefer a captain who is more defensive and helping the team to get clean sheet and the same time getting wonderful goal for us ! Best CaptaiN! Roy Keane ! |
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Mar 18 2007, 12:03 AM
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QUOTE(R3Dz @ Mar 15 2007, 08:09 PM) I say No at the moment .. is hard for him to be cap in MU.... i agree what you been told. player like C.Ronaldo is too ambitions....he is in hurry for many thing. player with this kind of thinking cannot lead a team like MU. to be cap for MU it actully play a very very important role. he self must be very bravery, and good in communicate with everyone, the trust from everyone. gary is pretty good in this. beside him i feel that ferdinand is also quit good in that.A captain need to do alot of dirty work and inspired the team. Maybe ronaldo has skills and good in goal scoring but not the character of a captain yet. i would prefer a captain who is more defensive and helping the team to get clean sheet and the same time getting wonderful goal for us ! Best CaptaiN! Roy Keane ! |
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Mar 18 2007, 12:08 AM
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Who needs him to be captain? I need him to score goals...and also diving in penalty box
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Mar 18 2007, 09:59 AM
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QUOTE(baok @ Mar 18 2007, 09:54 AM) a great dribbler with excellent diving skills for captain??.. i would say no for someone who send his own club-team-mate a red card and wink at him after that!! (refer world cup) i dont give a damn about your biased comment, but he is the captain for portugal right now,its not important whether he is the captain or not but it is important for him to drive his club for success heh.. i wish he had a broken metasarsal bone.. i'm not a manyoo fan but to be damn honest even rooney can be a much better captain than c.ronaldo.. hey,, rooney nowadays can control his anger and i salute that...  |
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Mar 18 2007, 10:42 AM
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ronaldo as a captain? he is surely one of the best player in the world but i dont think up for a challenge as a captain.
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Mar 18 2007, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Mar 18 2007, 09:59 AM) i dont give a damn about your biased comment, but he is the captain for portugal right now,its not important whether he is the captain or not but it is important for him to drive his club for success yeah.. i'm biased.. but it's fact and you know that (*either you admit it or not that's a different story though).. not just story-telling things!!-edit- c.ronaldo is potugal national team captain??.. then, good luck for him.. just know that... This post has been edited by baok: Mar 18 2007, 01:53 PM |
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Mar 18 2007, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Mar 18 2007, 11:59 AM) i dont give a damn about your biased comment, but he is the captain for portugal right now,its not important whether he is the captain or not but it is important for him to drive his club for success isnt it Ricardo Pereira the portugal captain? |
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Mar 18 2007, 02:47 PM
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Mar 18 2007, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE(baok @ Mar 18 2007, 09:54 AM) a great dribbler with excellent diving skills for captain??.. i would say no for someone who send his own club-team-mate a red card and wink at him after that!! (refer world cup) sad to say u r the victim of mediaheh.. i wish he had a broken metasarsal bone.. i'm not a manyoo fan but to be damn honest even rooney can be a much better captain than c.ronaldo.. hey,, rooney nowadays can control his anger and i salute that... |
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Mar 20 2007, 07:12 PM
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for portugal maybe he can...bcos he is so patriotic and he really stands up for his country...but man utd?i think manutd have already better candidates...
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Mar 20 2007, 09:23 PM
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i dont think he cant be man utd captain..
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Mar 20 2007, 09:39 PM
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as much as he is good...he is not a captain material. I always believe a captain must be one who is in the middle of the park (keane, veira), commanding his troops from the middle, and steady as a rock. Ronaldo is whizzing up and down the wings it'll be hard for him to give instructions.
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Mar 20 2007, 10:22 PM
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a big no from me... he dun hv the criteria to be a captain...
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Apr 19 2007, 02:27 PM
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well,to me its better not to be a captain...it might burden him lil bit
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Apr 19 2007, 02:34 PM
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one day i can see owen hargreaves (eventho' he's not in MU yet but most probably will) or Carrick to be Captain of United.
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Apr 19 2007, 02:35 PM
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henry and gerrard also not natural captain, but is their on field performance that inspire other, this what we call captain lead by example...
so ronaldo can be captain |
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Apr 19 2007, 02:35 PM
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I think Rio is next in line.
Added on April 19, 2007, 2:36 pm QUOTE(clsiluf @ Apr 19 2007, 02:35 PM) henry and gerrard also not natural captain, but is their on field performance that inspire other, this what we call captain lead by example... How would you define "a natural captain"?This post has been edited by Duke Red: Apr 19 2007, 02:36 PM |
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Apr 19 2007, 02:36 PM
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c.ronaldo being a captain??no!not good enough too carry MU
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Apr 19 2007, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(Notoriez @ Mar 10 2007, 01:21 AM) Cristiano Ronaldo for captain?? hahaha..you must be joking.. Hahaha.. Agreed.. Captain for the Red Devils? Hell no! Captain for Portugal Diving Team?.. Most definitely.. HAHAHHA.. I appreciated his dribbling skills but not his attitude..childish and likes to dive everywhere.. Seriously.. no one can deny he's a good player.. especially this season.. but there are other better candidates for captaincy |
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Apr 19 2007, 02:54 PM
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good player doesn't mean they capable to be a captain...
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Apr 19 2007, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 19 2007, 02:35 PM) I think Rio is next in line. Our current pecking order in terms of captains is Gaz, Giggsy, Scholesy and then Rio if I'm not mistaken. Although it tends to be RIo more then Scholesy as Scholesy doesn't like being a captain.Added on April 19, 2007, 2:36 pm QUOTE(MR.Syxo @ Apr 19 2007, 02:36 PM) c.ronaldo being a captain??no!not good enough too carry MU Not good too carry the team is a bull argument IMO. He's been one of the main performers of the team and has put out many match winning performances. If you're trying to say not good enough to lead the team, then you may be right. |
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Apr 19 2007, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Apr 19 2007, 02:57 PM) Our current pecking order in terms of captains is Gaz, Giggsy, Scholesy and then Rio if I'm not mistaken. Although it tends to be RIo more then Scholesy as Scholesy doesn't like being a captain. I didn't mean that Rio was co-captain. What I mean is that by the time Neville leaves or retires, both Giggs and Scholes would likely have done the same. Next in line would therefore be Rio. |
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Sep 28 2007, 01:19 AM
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no no.... over ferguson bodi
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Sep 28 2007, 01:21 AM
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y suddenly bring out this thread after so long dead..
btw, i vote no too.. main and obvious reason is that, he is TOO young! |
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Sep 28 2007, 04:16 AM
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lolollol
he doesn't have "captain face" lol.... vidic shud be 1 soon... |
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Sep 28 2007, 06:42 AM
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definitely not =.=
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Sep 28 2007, 06:44 AM
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no he cant . .
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Sep 28 2007, 07:46 AM
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lol, after 5 months somebody bump this thread up again...
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Sep 28 2007, 09:15 AM
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Rooney would be a better candidate for captaincy then Ronaldo.
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Sep 28 2007, 10:00 AM
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Ronaldo? Definately not... young, naive & hot tempered. Maybe in the future, but definately not now...
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Sep 28 2007, 10:07 AM
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i afraid he will shout to his teammate,"dive, dun stand up!"
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Sep 28 2007, 11:01 AM
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damn. someone beat me to saying captain of the portugal diving team
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Sep 28 2007, 11:24 AM
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First off, age has no influential factor on a player being selected for captaincy. Look at Torres, Terry, Gerrard and occasionally, Fabregas. Torres captained Atletico Madrid when he was only 19 years old.
Secondly, captains may not necessarily be the best player of the team. Captaincy is all about individual characters. Vocal, influential, responsible and just. And these attributes do not make a good footballer, but it creates a good captain. However, as much of a Liverpool fan I may be, I definitely respect Cristiano Ronaldo. His plays never fail to mesmerise me (the only reason I watch Man Utd's games) and I think he is maturing by the days. What do I think of Cristiano Ronaldo being a captain? Not now, but I do see that side of him though, the side that is capable of captaining Man Utd or maybe Portugal. Why not? He conciliated with the whole World Cup fiasco appropriately. He inspires his team when all hopes all lost. He never gives up, which infuses passion to his team mates as well. I guess he just have to be a little more vocal and toughen his character and you may have your next Man Utd captain. Just my two cents. Cheers! |
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Sep 28 2007, 01:29 PM
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I have no idea why this is even mooted, there are players wo are born leaders and there are some who'd never be able to be a captian, even for a while. Ronaldo falls into the 2nd category, yes, he is a good player, can turn a match in a moment of magic (and I hate saying that, but that is the truth).
However, he hasn't got the temprement to be a captain of any team, be it Man U or Portugal (I am baffled that someone would even nominate him as the captain of the national team). This is pretty much the same as Owen being vice captain of England during the Beckham days, even Beckham was a bad choice. To me a captain need not be the best player in the team but has to be a commited player, one that would give his all, rally his troops when necessary, responsible, and most importantly act like a leader, C*** Ronaldo, for all his quality, does not posses any of the character and chrisma of a captian. I am sorry to say this, but he is not a captain material. All the others mentioned, Torres, Gerrard or even Fabregas are matured players who'd give their all and support the team mates when necessary. C*** Ronaldo is too much of an individual player to be a captain, not being bias, but if you watch Man U's game, watch closely, he'd know when the camera is on him. Especially when he misses a goal, watch his facial expression, it'll be one of those, hands in his face, teary eyed look telling the viewers that "I so much wanted to score for you, my fans", rather than a shrug, or hitting the ground in frustration. For that alone, he is not fit to be a captain. Watch the others, when they missed a goal or a pass or a shot, they would not have as big a reaction. A bit of a "damn it" maybe, but his reaction is too big to be caring for the team and wanting to do well. It has been well documented too, that his personal life would not warrant him to be a captain, the shenigans with Nani and Anderson at his place with some prostitutes will not helped his cause, nor is picking up 3 different chicks at the same club, taking them back to the hotel for a bit of a romping, within a night, and one after another would help his reputation or credibility. Not knocking the player, as a player, he is good, but character is too much of a suspect to be a captain. My 2 cents. |
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Sep 28 2007, 02:10 PM
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although im the fan of man utd i dont think that cristiano qualify enough to be the captain..
he doesnt have captain criteria at all.. |
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Sep 28 2007, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE(jam_lennon @ Sep 28 2007, 10:07 AM) i afraid he will shout to his teammate,"dive, dun stand up!" Lucky Eboue ain't the captain of Ivory Coast then ehhh?? He would hav told his teammates, " Don't just dive!!!! Roll ffs!!!" QUOTE(madmoz @ Sep 28 2007, 11:01 AM) damn. someone beat me to saying captain of the portugal diving team So should England be worried of the vice captain when Terry steps down as a captain. He's been known to criticize divers but somehow is a master of the art himself. Well not really a master in that gif. Horrible dive there. But you know what they say, "Never give up, always try!!!" QUOTE "It annoys me. I don't think there is anything worse than seeing not just a foreign player but any player who has received a knock lying down on the floor to get an opponent booked - or diving when no one's been anywhere near him. If I saw a team-mate doing it I would definitely have a word. It's happened here at Liverpool a couple of times, where players have gone down too easily, and the manager has said: 'Get up, get on with it, don't be doing that. It's wrong'. I think managers and captains, leaders and experienced players have a responsibility to grab people after a training session or a game and say 'None of that. That doesn't happen here'." -Steven Gerrard- This post has been edited by air_mood: Sep 28 2007, 05:56 PM |
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Sep 28 2007, 05:53 PM
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i lol
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Sep 28 2007, 06:21 PM
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I think diving or not is not the criteria of the player is suitable of being a captain or not. Obviously every player does it. Including Gerrard, seen that a few times, not proud of it, but you get on with it. I think most criticise the player in question is because of a few high profile incidents in which he blatantly dived and got away with it.
My assessment of him is purely bassed on his temprement as a player, he is not a Keane type of player. That's all. |
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Sep 28 2007, 06:29 PM
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I'll have to repeat myself again looks like. It appears that ALL players have dived at some point of their careers. The question becomes, who dives THE MOST? Why do some players get the reputation, and others don't? Reputation is only developed through some form of consistency. That being said, some players have cleaned their act up.
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Sep 28 2007, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 28 2007, 06:29 PM) I'll have to repeat myself again looks like. It appears that ALL players have dived at some point of their careers. The question becomes, who dives THE MOST? Why do some players get the reputation, and others don't? Reputation is only developed through some form of consistency. That being said, some players have cleaned their act up. THE MOST?its not the point..when the player is dive its a dive..nothing to do with the numbers of dive they did..again..well done air_mood..  they just dont know or dont want to know when their players also dive..This post has been edited by aa1985: Sep 28 2007, 06:49 PM |
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Sep 28 2007, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(aa1985 @ Sep 28 2007, 06:45 PM) THE MOST?its not the point..when the player is dive its a dive..nothing to do with the numbers of dive they did.. Erm if you keep up with recent times, you'll notice we admit that Gerrard dives as like any other player. What I meant is players get reputations by repeating certain acts. Would you disagree? Let's not turn this into a player bashing thread. If there are legit reasons why some people don't believe he should be captain now then so be it. Let's not start another war of words shall we? I understand some people instigated this but it doesn't mean we all have to stoop to that level, or do we? again..well done air_mood.. they just dont know or dont want to know when their players also dive..What do you say? |
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Sep 28 2007, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 28 2007, 06:48 PM) Erm if you keep up with recent times, you'll notice we admit that Gerrard dives as like any other player. What I meant is players get reputations by repeating certain acts. Would you disagree? Let's not turn this into a player bashing thread. If there are legit reasons why some people don't believe he should be captain now then so be it. Let's not start another war of words shall we? I understand some people instigated this but it doesn't mean we all have to stoop to that level, or do we? oopss sory..i didnt mean that, but this is our response..its normal rite?What do you say? back to the topic i dont think cristiano ronaldo have a captain criteria..one of captain criteria is who can shout to their team mate when they did wrong on the field..or back up them.. |
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Sep 28 2007, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(aa1985 @ Sep 28 2007, 06:55 PM) oopss sory..i didnt mean that, but this is our response..its normal rite? No worries, I completely understand. I'm just hoping this doesn't turn into another war of words. Would be great if we can have a discussion rather than argument. back to the topic i dont think cristiano ronaldo have a captain criteria..one of captain criteria is who can shout to their team mate when they did wrong on the field..or back up them.. I'm with you on this. I like vocal captains who lead by example. They don't have to be the most skillful or the best but they must have good match temperament. He may mature into that mould one day, like Figo did. |
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Sep 28 2007, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 28 2007, 07:00 PM) No worries, I completely understand. I'm just hoping this doesn't turn into another war of words. Would be great if we can have a discussion rather than argument. I am with the brigade who thinks he hasn't got good match temprement. He would go missing in games at times and sometimes even totally annonymous in games. If he does mature into the Figo type of a player, it'll take a lot of effort and bucking up from his side. I'm with you on this. I like vocal captains who lead by example. They don't have to be the most skillful or the best but they must have good match temperament. He may mature into that mould one day, like Figo did. |
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Sep 28 2007, 07:48 PM
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His brain is not there yet.
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Sep 28 2007, 09:34 PM
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1. gerrard ain't no saint.
2. everyone should lighten up a little bit, save the hostilities for RWI Added on September 28, 2007, 9:39 pmAnyways, I have a rather different view on captains. For me the first criteria for a captain is that he must not be your best player. Maybe it's something i learnt from cricket, whenever a No.3 is appointed as captain, his run rate will more often than not take a nosedive. Secondly, when the captain and star roles are combined, i'd say that when the said player is having an off day, the team losses both its spark and leadership. Spread the love so when the captain is piss poor, the star player can stand up and be counted. When the star is piss poor, he gets a barracking from the captain. Put it this way, CR is captain, playing against Barca, 2-0 down and he has been missing for 65 minutes, who does he barrack? Himself? Oh noes, did I just imply CR is the best player in Man Utd? This post has been edited by madmoz: Sep 28 2007, 09:40 PM |
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Sep 28 2007, 11:19 PM
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not way, he has no criteria it takes to be a good leader.
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Sep 28 2007, 11:44 PM
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who cares about ronaldo??
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Sep 28 2007, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE(amalost @ Sep 28 2007, 11:44 PM) who cares about ronaldo?? Hahahahaha, LoL! |
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Sep 29 2007, 12:04 AM
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this thread is for joke or wat.... even high school student can tell whether c. ronaldo can become a captain... what a joke of the year....
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Sep 29 2007, 12:08 AM
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I miss his indo-mee hairstyle.
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Sep 29 2007, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE(jam_lennon @ Sep 28 2007, 10:07 AM) i afraid he will shout to his teammate,"dive, dun stand up!" oo.. i thought he gonna say.. hey! im ur captain! follow me.. lets go partying with pros**tutes.. haha~!but its true ma.. if later he ask all his teammates to redo that party... how le?  This post has been edited by mono_demon: Sep 29 2007, 01:12 AM |
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Sep 29 2007, 02:41 AM
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he cant be a captain..
for me, a captain should be the one who play at center, not at flank. from center the captain can monitor his teammate clearly |
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Sep 29 2007, 06:19 AM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 28 2007, 06:48 PM) Erm if you keep up with recent times, you'll notice we admit that Gerrard dives as like any other player. What I meant is players get reputations by repeating certain acts. Would you disagree? Let's not turn this into a player bashing thread. If there are legit reasons why some people don't believe he should be captain now then so be it. Let's not start another war of words shall we? I understand some people instigated this but it doesn't mean we all have to stoop to that level, or do we? You're one of a very special bunch then. I got a Pool supporting friend who is still very adamant that Gerrard never ever dives.Same person wanted to taunt me with Saha's overreaction last week. I throw Gerrard in his face and the fella is still adamant that Gerrard never ever dives.What do you say? Added on September 29, 2007, 6:23 am QUOTE(nik0ns @ Sep 29 2007, 02:41 AM) he cant be a captain.. Not really. Figo was a captain. Gary Neville, Giggsy and Beckham are some example of captain on the wings. Anyways, don't see him being a captain anytime soon, for Manchester United at least. He has already captained Portugal of course.for me, a captain should be the one who play at center, not at flank. from center the captain can monitor his teammate clearly This post has been edited by air_mood: Sep 29 2007, 06:23 AM |
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Sep 29 2007, 06:49 AM
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Not YET. In the future,maybe. But i prefer Rooney to be MU's future captain.
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Sep 29 2007, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Sep 28 2007, 05:49 PM) Lucky Eboue ain't the captain of Ivory Coast then ehhh?? He would hav told his teammates, " Don't just dive!!!! Roll ffs!!!" pls keep tat gif till some1 created similar thread "when is eboue did tat huh? i guess it must b 2 years back then. while when is the last time ronaldo "tripped" by the opponent huh captain should have be the role model of the team. dont think he can the one base on his prostitution act. just my 2 cents |
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Sep 29 2007, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Sep 29 2007, 06:19 AM) You're one of a very special bunch then. I got a Pool supporting friend who is still very adamant that Gerrard never ever dives.Same person wanted to taunt me with Saha's overreaction last week. I throw Gerrard in his face and the fella is still adamant that Gerrard never ever dives. Not really, most of us admit that he dives, and should he continue this way he WILL develop a reputation for being a diver, as is the case with Drogba and C.Ronaldo.<snip> [ |
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Sep 29 2007, 12:49 PM
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A captain is a leader in a team.
A person with GOOD qualities and is well respected by his team. A captain/leader is also a role model. Certainly diving and play acting is not something you want your team to practice. A captain is not just the best player in the team. He doesn't even has sportsmanship qualities. I doubt C. Ronaldo has or will ever have those required qualities in the future. |
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Sep 29 2007, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Sep 29 2007, 12:49 PM) A captain is a leader in a team. I don't have tinted glasses on so I have no problem at all admitting that Ronaldo does dive, however he has cut it down by loads.A person with GOOD qualities and is well respected by his team. A captain/leader is also a role model. Certainly diving and play acting is not something you want your team to practice. A captain is not just the best player in the team. He doesn't even has sportsmanship qualities. I doubt C. Ronaldo has or will ever have those required qualities in the future. So by your reasoning a captain is a role model and does not want his team to practice diving or playacting, surely that rules Gerrard out of any captaincy positions?? Then again, you cannot be taken seriously cause your opinions are clearly from Pool tinted glasses. |
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Sep 29 2007, 02:04 PM
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Time will tell.
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Sep 29 2007, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Sep 29 2007, 02:02 PM) So by your reasoning a captain is a role model and does not want his team to practice diving or playacting, surely that rules Gerrard out of any captaincy positions?? Huh? What does diving and play acting got to do with Gerard?  |
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Sep 29 2007, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Sep 29 2007, 02:52 PM) Huh? What does diving and play acting got to do with Gerard? Ahhhh, see what I was trying to point out Duke, madmoz??? |
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Sep 29 2007, 03:07 PM
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Again, I would stress that being 'diving' is probably not the most relevant trait when it comes to what it takes to be a captain. Why don't we focus on other attributes like match temperament, mental toughness, etc?
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Sep 29 2007, 03:11 PM
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touche airmood, touche... but most of us will readily admit that he too does in fact gets tackled by the grass.
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Sep 29 2007, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 29 2007, 03:07 PM) Again, I would stress that being 'diving' is probably not the most relevant trait when it comes to what it takes to be a captain. Why don't we focus on other attributes like match temperament, mental toughness, etc? No doubt that that's a very, very important traits for a captain. As a matter of fact, I don't even see Gaz as a proper captain, simply because he's not vocal as Keano, Schmikes, Cantona and brucey before him used to be. If it was up to me, I'd get Rio as captain because he isn't afraid to tell his mind.But the fact of the matter is this, most people on this thread are saying that Ronaldo can't be a captain because he used to dive quite a fair bit. And as you pointed out, that's not a trait that determines whether someone deserves to be a captain or not. If someone says that he doesn't have leadership or motivating qualities, I have no issues with that cause he certainly doesn't at the moment. |
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Sep 29 2007, 03:12 PM) No doubt that that's a very, very important traits for a captain. As a matter of fact, I don't even see Gaz as a proper captain, simply because he's not vocal as Keano, Schmikes, Cantona and brucey before him used to be. If it was up to me, I'd get Rio as captain because he isn't afraid to tell his mind. I agree with you on this. I like my captains vocal and at this point, Rio is the closest to that. QUOTE(air_mood @ Sep 29 2007, 03:12 PM) But the fact of the matter is this, most people on this thread are saying that Ronaldo can't be a captain because he used to dive quite a fair bit. And as you pointed out, that's not a trait that determines whether someone deserves to be a captain or not. If someone says that he doesn't have leadership or motivating qualities, I have no issues with that cause he certainly doesn't at the moment. I agree. |
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Sep 29 2007, 03:25 PM
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so you two don't rate integrity and respect very highly then? IMHO, a captain is someone who does not indulge in off field shenadigans, is a model proffesional, willing to protect his charges and one who respects the laws of the game...
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QUOTE(zaFrOoNaLdO @ Mar 10 2007, 12:51 AM) does he has the criteria,character to be a captain? he need played 2 more yrs at MAN UTD.... |
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Indo-Mee belly good in acting too.
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Sep 29 2007, 03:25 PM) so you two don't rate integrity and respect very highly then? IMHO, a captain is someone who does not indulge in off field shenadigans, is a model proffesional, willing to protect his charges and one who respects the laws of the game... I'm avoiding the issue of diving as it will only lead to an argument over who dives more.Hmm... no one seems to fit that criteria |
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Sep 29 2007, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Sep 29 2007, 03:25 PM) so you two don't rate integrity and respect very highly then? IMHO, a captain is someone who does not indulge in off field shenadigans, is a model proffesional, willing to protect his charges and one who respects the laws of the game... Of course one would one his captain to be the model professional dont they. Stays out of the spotlight, never brings attention to himself and the closest player to that now IMO(nothing to do with my Man Utd bias here) is Paul Scholes. Hence why i realy love the ginger assassin, he comes in, does his job and fecks off from the stadium to be with his family. The model professional.Hmm... no one seems to fit that criteria But in a day and age where wages are getting more ridiculous by the minute, it's hard to get them doesn't it, not when there's so much money to throw around. What was it I heard about the the rumoured wages that Chelski are willing to offer to Ronaldinho, 200k pounds per week??? So IMO now, I'd be happy to get someone who does his job, shows all his commitment ont he pitch and then he can feck off and do whatever the hell he wants as long as it doesn't interfere with his commitment and performance. What he does on his own time is his business for me. |
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Sep 29 2007, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Sep 29 2007, 04:06 PM) Of course one would one his captain to be the model professional dont they. Stays out of the spotlight, never brings attention to himself and the closest player to that now IMO(nothing to do with my Man Utd bias here) is Paul Scholes. Hence why i realy love the ginger assassin, he comes in, does his job and fecks off from the stadium to be with his family. The model professional. It's the same reason why I rate our Carra so highly. QUOTE(air_mood @ Sep 29 2007, 04:06 PM) But in a day and age where wages are getting more ridiculous by the minute, it's hard to get them doesn't it, not when there's so much money to throw around. What was it I heard about the the rumoured wages that Chelski are willing to offer to Ronaldinho, 200k pounds per week??? I read that as well. Think the figure was 220 / 230K which is absurd. Brings about the issue of overpaid footballers once again. |
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Sep 29 2007, 05:13 PM
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hmm...two names come into mind (in the epl scene anyways), sadly both not of liverpool
1) Steve Bruce 2) Alan Shearer (the-not-decimated-by-injury-have-to-play-dirty-to-be-any-good version) |
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Sep 29 2007, 05:14 PM
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While ronaldo has a long way to go, the current man i would choose is also scholes.
as for ronaldo's ability to be a captain, i would say not yet. but its not his time anyway, we will see in future if he fits being a captain |
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Sep 29 2007, 05:18 PM
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three names... i forgot to include Colin 'I-got-sold-an-outrageous-dummy-by-gazza' Hendry
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Sep 29 2007, 03:12 PM) No doubt that that's a very, very important traits for a captain. As a matter of fact, I don't even see Gaz as a proper captain, simply because he's not vocal as Keano, Schmikes, Cantona and brucey before him used to be. If it was up to me, I'd get Rio as captain because he isn't afraid to tell his mind. I think the reason people will bring up the diving issue is because there are more than a few high profile ones. Just to set the record straight, if Gerrard dive in the last minute of the current league campaign, wins us the game, and secure the league title, I don't think anyone fo us would complain about it, although we do not condone it, like I believe many of you. But the fact of the matter is this, most people on this thread are saying that Ronaldo can't be a captain because he used to dive quite a fair bit. And as you pointed out, that's not a trait that determines whether someone deserves to be a captain or not. If someone says that he doesn't have leadership or motivating qualities, I have no issues with that cause he certainly doesn't at the moment. As Duke Red mentioned, diving is not the criteria of one is fit being a captain or not, but because theb player in question is him, the thread started should expect lots of posts commenting about his diving. As with Drogba who developed the reputation of being a diver before cleaning up his act last season. To put it as a comparison, I think the Drogba of last season has more chances of being a captian. As someone mentioned too, I think C*** Ronaldo is not mature enough to be a captain, issues such as the World Cup when he got Rooney sent off, the allegedly dives, the allegedly shenigans off field etc etc. These are the reasons I think he is not fit to be a captain, maybe in the future after he cleaned up his act, but honestly, I reckon it's a bit hard for him. This is the reason why many would not consider him the best player in the world. If he is to be made the captain, I canonly think of one reason, commercial purposes. how, I don't know but knowing a club like Man Utd who's light years ahead of many other clubs (sadly, that includes Liverpool) when it comes to commercialism, there would be ways to make the money. Just like how Owen was made vice captain of England. My 2 cents. |
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QUOTE(Jonno @ Oct 2 2007, 02:02 PM) I think the reason people will bring up the diving issue is because there are more than a few high profile ones. Just to set the record straight, if Gerrard dive in the last minute of the current league campaign, wins us the game, and secure the league title, I don't think anyone fo us would complain about it, although we do not condone it, like I believe many of you. The fact of the matter is, he has cleaned up his act, a lot. You rarely see him dive nowadays compared to when he 1st arrived here. As for game changing dives, can you actually think of one where he dived and it totally changed the game?? People claimed that he dived against Boro in the FA Cup replay last year but there was clearly contact there by Woodgate. See it from whatever angle you want, there's clearly contact. He has one booking for diving this season, against Everton and that was clearly not a dive.As Duke Red mentioned, diving is not the criteria of one is fit being a captain or not, but because theb player in question is him, the thread started should expect lots of posts commenting about his diving. As with Drogba who developed the reputation of being a diver before cleaning up his act last season. To put it as a comparison, I think the Drogba of last season has more chances of being a captian. As someone mentioned too, I think C*** Ronaldo is not mature enough to be a captain, issues such as the World Cup when he got Rooney sent off, the allegedly dives, the allegedly shenigans off field etc etc. These are the reasons I think he is not fit to be a captain, maybe in the future after he cleaned up his act, but honestly, I reckon it's a bit hard for him. This is the reason why many would not consider him the best player in the world. If he is to be made the captain, I canonly think of one reason, commercial purposes. how, I don't know but knowing a club like Man Utd who's light years ahead of many other clubs (sadly, that includes Liverpool) when it comes to commercialism, there would be ways to make the money. Just like how Owen was made vice captain of England. My 2 cents. And definitely gotta disagree with Drogba cleaning up his act last season. he had plenty of dives and playacting last season. The one that stick out in my mind is of course his cartoon show with Lehmann. I'm going to say I have several instances in my mind where Gerrard dived and changed the game for you but not going to bother to mention it cause I'm sure you'll find ways to refute it just as most Man United will find ways to refute some by our players. But yeah, Gerrard has had his fair share. And he got Rooney sent off??? C'mon, irregardless of whether he was there or not, Wazza would have gotten sent off for that stamp on Carvalho. the referee said so, hell even Wazza doesn't even blame him for the sending off, he says so in his book. Off field shenanigans???? He has had only 1 high profile misbehaviour and that is of course the orgy. So unless you seem to follow him around I don't know where you get your stories from. And whatever he does off the field, I don't really give a damn as long as he performs when he's on the field really. Dont really care whether people consider him the best player in the world or not. Fact of the matter is, many club would piss in their pants had he wanted to sign for them now(Liverpool included). Don't appreciate your name calling of him either. But it's you personal choice so I'm not going to bother. I think of Gerrard as a hypocritical bast**d after his 'only foreigners dive' and 'sadly Cristiano Ronaldo has a dark side in his game' rant only to then proceed on a spate of diving himself but I don't bother putting that tag in front of his name but like I said, what you do is your problem. And man United have never chosen their captain based on commercialism haven't we?? All our captains in recent times has leadership qualities about them with the like of Keano, Cantona, Robbo, Schmeichel and Brucey comes to mind. if we were going to go for commercialism, Bekcham would have been made captain when he was here. This post has been edited by air_mood: Oct 2 2007, 03:27 PM |
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Oct 2 2007, 03:26 PM) The fact of the matter is, he has cleaned up his act, a lot. You rarely see him dive nowadays compared to when he 1st arrived here. As for game changing dives, can you actually think of one where he dived and it totally changed the game?? People claimed that he dived against Boro in the FA Cup replay last year but there was clearly contact there by Woodgate. See it from whatever angle you want, there's clearly contact. He has one booking for diving this season, against Everton and that was clearly not a dive. Very good point, I think in the haste of replying to the thread, many would of course look at the reputation of the player, unfortunately. You are right in saying that you do choose your captain based on the leadership qualities, which basically means he is not there yet, therefore should never be the captain, unless he mature into the likes of the so called Man U legend that you're mentioned. And definitely gotta disagree with Drogba cleaning up his act last season. he had plenty of dives and playacting last season. The one that stick out in my mind is of course his cartoon show with Lehmann. I'm going to say I have several instances in my mind where Gerrard dived and changed the game for you but not going to bother to mention it cause I'm sure you'll find ways to refute it just as most Man United will find ways to refute some by our players. But yeah, Gerrard has had his fair share. And he got Rooney sent off??? C'mon, irregardless of whether he was there or not, Wazza would have gotten sent off for that stamp on Carvalho. the referee said so, hell even Wazza doesn't even blame him for the sending off, he says so in his book. Off field shenanigans???? He has had only 1 high profile misbehaviour and that is of course the orgy. So unless you seem to follow him around I don't know where you get your stories from. And whatever he does off the field, I don't really give a damn as long as he performs when he's on the field really. Dont really care whether people consider him the best player in the world or not. Fact of the matter is, many club would piss in their pants had he wanted to sign for them now(Liverpool included). Don't appreciate your name calling of him either. But it's you personal choice so I'm not going to bother. I think of Gerrard as a hypocritical bast**d after his 'only foreigners dive' and 'sadly Cristiano Ronaldo has a dark side in his game' rant only to then proceed on a spate of diving himself but I don't bother putting that tag in front of his name but like I said, what you do is your problem. And man United have never chosen their captain based on commercialism haven't we?? All our captains in recent times has leadership qualities about them with the like of Keano, Cantona, Robbo, Schmeichel and Brucey comes to mind. if we were going to go for commercialism, Bekcham would have been made captain when he was here. AS for the diving, foo field shenigans etc etc, I think that's for another thread. |
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emmmmmm....... giggs also can me 2nd captain for MU... see back 5 yrs before... who think he can be so leadership...
For C.ronaldo.. still too early to judge.. another beckham maybe.. whahaha... but MU sure wan england player to be their captain... C.ronaldo will be captain of Portugal...  |
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QUOTE(Giggs~11 @ Oct 2 2007, 04:31 PM) emmmmmm....... giggs also can me 2nd captain for MU... see back 5 yrs before... who think he can be so leadership... Portugal ah? He need to wait for longer time. Luis Figo and the rest first. For C.ronaldo.. still too early to judge.. another beckham maybe.. whahaha... but MU sure wan england player to be their captain... C.ronaldo will be captain of Portugal... |
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Oct 5 2007, 11:48 AM
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He's more suited as a weapon, not as a captain.
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Oct 14 2007, 02:42 AM
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Captain ofr Portugal today against Azerbaijan. Had a cracking game as well today I was told.
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Oct 14 2007, 03:55 PM
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he is still young van der sar is the suitable man to be captain
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Oct 14 2007, 04:16 PM
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for me it's 50-50...
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Oct 14 2007, 04:20 PM
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Another one is, he does not have the leadership look.
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Oct 14 2007, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 14 2007, 04:20 PM) Another one is, he does not have the leadership look. yeah i'm with u... |
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Oct 14 2007, 04:45 PM
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You see his face, is like some fella who likes to play, make fun around.
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Oct 14 2007, 05:23 PM
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Yong and larnin', that lad.
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Oct 15 2007, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 2 2007, 07:44 PM) Portugal ah? He need to wait for longer time. Luis Figo and the rest first. huh...bukan ke figo dah nak bersara????  |
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Oct 15 2007, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(-=mayatsan=- @ Oct 15 2007, 03:59 PM) huh...bukan ke figo dah nak bersara???? he said that before euro 2004, but he still features in world cup 2006 |
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QUOTE(akRia @ Oct 15 2007, 04:21 PM) he said that before euro 2004, but he still features in world cup 2006 ya lor go retire and give C.Ronaldo number 7 officially... This post has been edited by edvpc: Oct 15 2007, 04:46 PM |
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QUOTE(-=mayatsan=- @ Oct 15 2007, 03:59 PM) huh...bukan ke figo dah nak bersara???? If even he did, Ronaldo still need to wait...  |
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Oct 15 2007, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 15 2007, 04:47 PM) If even he did, Ronaldo still need to wait... i hope RIVALDO the goalie  |
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Oct 16 2007, 02:18 PM
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still need time to be captain. long way to go i think
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Oct 16 2007, 02:20 PM
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he is already captain ? yesterday i saw a portugal game , c.Ronaldo is a captain.... !!
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Oct 16 2007, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(watdafuk_abn @ Oct 16 2007, 02:20 PM) he is already captain ? yesterday i saw a portugal game , c.Ronaldo is a captain.... !! Omigosh, really er? |
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Oct 16 2007, 04:42 PM
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he's been portugal captain for a few times already
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Oct 16 2007, 04:46 PM
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He's a captain, but most of the final say are from his teammates...
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Oct 16 2007, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE(adthely @ Mar 10 2007, 12:56 AM) he cannot be a captain for now coz he need more xprience in the industries.. i think he's not a "secret" anymore... b a secret weapon ok larr...hehehhee.. Added on October 16, 2007, 4:48 pm QUOTE(watdafuk_abn @ Oct 16 2007, 02:20 PM) he is already captain ? yesterday i saw a portugal game , c.Ronaldo is a captain.... !! yup..he was captain by request..to honor the late Portugal FA president i think....This post has been edited by cekutz: Oct 16 2007, 04:48 PM |
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QUOTE(cekutz @ Oct 16 2007, 04:47 PM) i think he's not a "secret" anymore... oh yes i herad bout this too... Added on October 16, 2007, 4:48 pm yup..he was captain by request..to honor the late Portugal FA president i think.... |
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Oct 17 2007, 03:14 AM
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Yes.. but not now.. maybe after Nuno Gomes retired..
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Oct 17 2007, 04:11 AM
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QUOTE(-=mayatsan=- @ Oct 15 2007, 10:15 PM) i hope RIVALDO the goalie rivaldo or RICARDO? |
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I don't think Ronaldo can be captain. Don't think he got the leadership quality.
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C.Ronaldo is the captain of portugal now if i not mistaken...hmm i don't think he should be the captain...a captain responsibilities in the team is super important ...thank god Ronaldo is not the captain of MU haha
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Oct 22 2007, 12:16 PM
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someone who cant stop shouting at his teammates is the captain
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Oct 22 2007, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(munky @ Oct 22 2007, 12:16 PM) someone who cant stop shouting at his teammates is the captain yeah... |
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Jan 15 2008, 09:02 PM
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he needs more time..
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Jan 15 2008, 10:07 PM
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I'm another Arsenal and Portugal fan. But I don't see him as a captain just yet. It would probably be better in 5~6 years later, but not now. One thing is, he dont have the right quality just yet, and another thing is that I feel his striker role will be a burden as a captain. There is no denying this kid will be one of the greatest footballer of his time, but time will tell.
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Mar 16 2008, 09:43 AM
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I came across this article in today's Sunday Mail and stumbled upon a couple of interesting points. Another example of how too much attention is sometimes given to the 'big four'. In any case I found this article relevant to his credentials as a captain, as I'm sure he will be one some day, just perhaps not in the EPL?
QUOTE RONALDO NEEDS TO GROW UP FAST The article admittedly sounds either biased, or brutally honest depending on how you look at it. It does however provide some insight into who the leagues most fouled players are.by Craig Nunis Christiano Ronaldo should consider a career in touch rugby if he doesn't like being tackled. For a player who might soon be earning $140,000 pounds a week, wimpy Ronaldo is better advised to use the money to bulk up than complain about being fouled. On current form, the Portuguese winger is undoubtedly one of the best players in the world, and it is only natural defenders will try all means - fair or otherwise - to stop him. However, the Daily Mail reported earlier this week that Ronaldo trails behind Mikel Arteta (Everton), David Bentley (Blackburn), Ashley Young (Aston Villa), Stephen Hunt (Reading), Dietmar Hamann (Man City) and Gabriel Agbonlahor (Aston Villa) in a league table of the most fouled player. Interestingly, no player from the big four - Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and United - are in the top six, while Villa have two. We don't hear Martin O'Neill demanding extra protection for his players while none of the most fouled players have voiced their displeasure as they know football is a contact sport. Perhaps someone forgot to tell Ronaldo, his manager Ferguson and United No 2 Carlos Queiroz that. The trio lamented Martin Atkinson's handling of the FA Cup quarter-final against Portsmouth last weekend. Pompey, admittedly, were lucky to sneak a 1-0 victory but they certainly worked hard and played hard - but fair - to earn the upset. Yes, they were physical, but the worst tackle was committed by Wayne Rooney, whose two-footed lunge at Niko Kranjcar warranted a red card. He, however, only escaped with a yellow. Yet, Ferguson claimed Atkinson was "on Portsmouth's side", and accused referee's chief, Keith Hackett, of "not doing his job properly" for allowing a referee not up to Ferguson's standards to officiate at Old Trafford - in other words, someone who did not favour the hosts. Queiroz went further to claiming Atkinson was a "robber" and insisted a new rule be introduced allowing referees to be replaced during games. Ronaldo, for his part said he is now scared of performing hs tricks as he fears of being hacked. Yawn. These are all tired excuses churned out whenever Manchester United come unstuck, a smokescreen to hide their shortcomings. The match last Saturday was United's to lose. They were in superb form, had been scoring goals for fun and in Ronaldo, have a players who can torment the best of defenders, when he is on form. Yet, in a home game against a side who had not won at Old Trafford for 51 years, Manchester United were complacent and just plain unlucky. On any other day, the would have probably scored more than three goals but their strikers shot more blanks than a person who had a vasectomy. Their defenders were AWOL when it mattered most, leading to Sully Muntari's 78th minute penalty which left Ferguson sweating more profusely than a Penang Gerakan candidate at the recent general elections. And the outcome was the same. Defeat. |
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Mar 16 2008, 10:14 AM
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ronaldo is way faster than they are so its hard to foul him a bit
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Mar 16 2008, 11:21 AM
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no,fvck c.ronaldo
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QUOTE(ristikol @ Mar 16 2008, 11:21 AM) no,fvck c.ronaldo Omg wat an intellectual post!IMO, Ronaldo is not captain material. Yes, he shines on the pitch when the team needs him the most, but with it comes all the unnecessary sulking and sometimes diving (though he's cut it out of his game significantly since his first season). Doesn't look like a leader on the pitch to me. Rooney, on the other hand, is one I'd like to see get the armband in the near future |
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Let us not go into the issue of diving as it's been discussed to death. The articles suggests that Ferguson may be making a little too much about Ronaldo needing protection when there are several players that are being fouled more often than him, with Villa having two themselves. There isn't a doubt Ronaldo gets fouled often because he is too quick and nimble for most players but the question is; Is Ferguson making a meal of things by demanding Ronaldo gets more protection from referees, while none of the other managers have done so? Is it because of his price tag? The fact that he plays for the richest club in the world? The fact that he earns more?
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 16 2008, 09:19 PM) Let us not go into the issue of diving as it's been discussed to death. The articles suggests that Ferguson may be making a little too much about Ronaldo needing protection when there are several players that are being fouled more often than him, with Villa having two themselves. There isn't a doubt Ronaldo gets fouled often because he is too quick and nimble for most players but the question is; Is Ferguson making a meal of things by demanding Ronaldo gets more protection from referees, while none of the other managers have done so? Is it because of his price tag? The fact that he plays for the richest club in the world? The fact that he earns more? Good points mate, i would like to add to the bold part if i may, IMHO, Sir Alex is like protecting Ronaldo more then the rest of the Man Utd players and the reason to that is maybe because of Ronaldo being the key and important player to Man Utd and he doesn't want him to get injured. I won't need to state of what happens if he does get injured ... Man Utd will lose 2 points at the last Derby game for example. I don't think Sir Alex would give the caption's arm band to Ronaldo any time soon as he's still protecting him. Look at the top four's captions ... you hardly read and see their managers going like "Oh my Oh my caption !" They just give them the caption's arm band and instructions and that's it. |
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Mar 16 2008, 10:05 PM
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Just out of curiosity, why do you say, "captions" and not "captains"?
Added on March 17, 2008, 8:13 am QUOTE(TheWhacker @ Mar 16 2008, 09:59 PM) IMHO, Sir Alex is like protecting Ronaldo more then the rest of the Man Utd players and the reason to that is maybe because of Ronaldo being the key and important player to Man Utd and he doesn't want him to get injured. I won't need to state of what happens if he does get injured ... Man Utd will lose 2 points at the last Derby game for example. I'd agree with protection if the challenges were career ending ones, not an increased frequency of regular fouls. We can't change the rules for one player, one that isn't even the most fouled in his league especially. Are we to limit the number of fouls Ronaldo can suffer? Skillful players will get fouled more often, it's an occupational hazard, just ask Maradona. If a player goes in dangerously against Ronaldo, he will be cautioned or sent off just as they would be if they made a similar challenge on any other player. The rules cannot be changed to cater to the whims of just 1 player or manager. If you look to the NBA, you see teams deploy the "hack a Shaq" strategy towards the end of the game, because Shaq obviously sucks at free throws. You didn't see Shaq pound anyone to pulp, or even Phil Jackson demand for more protection because though they were fouls, they were within the boundaries of the game. Basketball is a contact sport and so is football. As it is more protection has already been given to players with the abolishment of tackles from behind. What is next? No tackles at all? This post has been edited by Duke Red: Mar 17 2008, 08:15 AM |
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Mar 18 2008, 01:23 PM
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I do hope they make CRISTIANO Ronaldo the captain...tihiihihihihihihihihi...and swaddle him up in some Kevlar and lotsa foams coz he'll need it...
And please add CRISTIANO before his name, it confuses me. For me, Ronaldo is a name that can only be used by the GREAT and original RONALDO...even another Ronaldo (at Barcelona) uses Ronaldinho...pay your respect to the legend and not call the some young upstart with 2 good seasons RONALDO. |
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Mar 18 2008, 02:18 PM
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he cant be a captain.
good captain must be willing to die for the team. like Keane, Viera, Savage. so they can motivate their teammate agree with DukeRed, skillfull player will get hacked more often. thats normal. quick feet, to quick sometimes... its normal to see tackles and foul. just never say yes to any career ending sort of tackle... This post has been edited by EyraYus: Mar 18 2008, 02:20 PM |
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Mar 18 2008, 03:12 PM
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How can he be Captain?
He cries like a baby when Portugal got knocked out, not emotionally strong enough to motivate himself, what about the team? |
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Mar 18 2008, 03:32 PM
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Correct but on the other hand it shows he has passion for the game. I would however rather my captain keep his composure though.
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Mar 18 2008, 03:41 PM
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Yes passion, which also shows the inability to accept the fact that his team lost. Cries over every tackle. Fear of being tackled after Eduardo's incident.
Keano will be dissapointed. I'm no red devil's fan, but I admire how Keano stood up for G.Neville against Vieira. Ronaldo would probably cry. This post has been edited by kenlimfornication: Mar 18 2008, 03:41 PM |
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Mar 18 2008, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Mar 18 2008, 03:12 PM) How can he be Captain? I don't think crying is a reason not to be a captain. Its not like he was crying during the game right?He cries like a baby when Portugal got knocked out, not emotionally strong enough to motivate himself, what about the team? As Duke said it shows passion, and I would like that quality in any players. If we google this topis there will be loads of pics of footballers crying after they lose an important game, captain or not. One of the most famous pics in football is when Gazza cried after Italia 90 (I might be wrong), and I think most of the ppl respect that as he is passionate. Another famous crying incident for me personally is when Samy Kuffur (not sure on spelling) from Bayern cried and punching the pitch after losing the UCL in 99. He did cry again 2 years later, but it is a cry of joy . |
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Mar 18 2008, 03:54 PM
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no emo kid for captain pls.
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Mar 18 2008, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(ky_khor @ Mar 18 2008, 03:54 PM) no emo kid for captain pls. LOL nice. Though he doesn't wear eye shadow or has hair covered 1 of his eyes. |
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Mar 18 2008, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Mar 18 2008, 03:12 PM) How can he be Captain? as far as i know kenlim is another liv fans right? To avoid not necessary arguments with fellow red devils supporter, i think u should edit ur post...He cries like a baby when Portugal got knocked out, not emotionally strong enough to motivate himself, what about the team? he is not crying la...sands flew into his eyes... |
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Mar 18 2008, 05:26 PM
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Really, u expect a player to laugh after knocked out of one of their important competition?
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Mar 18 2008, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(m o m o @ Mar 18 2008, 01:23 PM) I do hope they make CRISTIANO Ronaldo the captain...tihiihihihihihihihihi...and swaddle him up in some Kevlar and lotsa foams coz he'll need it... no need.. its ur own belief.. we dont need to follow thatAnd please add CRISTIANO before his name, it confuses me. For me, Ronaldo is a name that can only be used by the GREAT and original RONALDO...even another Ronaldo (at Barcelona) uses Ronaldinho...pay your respect to the legend and not call the some young upstart with 2 good seasons RONALDO. |
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Mar 18 2008, 06:00 PM
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So a captain who cries is labeled a sissy and is not fit for the job? What about the likes of Gallas? And Gerrard isn't exactly a saint himself ain't he? What about that?
Not trying to draw flames, but surely showing emotions on the pitch especially at big stages isn't something only a poo-sy would do. Didn't someone once say that football wasn't just a matter of life and death... It's much more then that. This post has been edited by Hevrn: Mar 18 2008, 06:01 PM |
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Mar 18 2008, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE(corez @ Mar 18 2008, 03:44 PM) I don't think crying is a reason not to be a captain. Its not like he was crying during the game right? yeah i agreed with u bro.maybe he want the player that laugh like this ---> As Duke said it shows passion, and I would like that quality in any players. If we google this topis there will be loads of pics of footballers crying after they lose an important game, captain or not. One of the most famous pics in football is when Gazza cried after Italia 90 (I might be wrong), and I think most of the ppl respect that as he is passionate. Another famous crying incident for me personally is when Samy Kuffur (not sure on spelling) from Bayern cried and punching the pitch after losing the UCL in 99. He did cry again 2 years later, but it is a cry of joy . after losing a match be a captain for their team... This post has been edited by edvpc: Mar 18 2008, 06:39 PM |
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Mar 18 2008, 07:05 PM
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I'd rather have a player who jeopardises his macho-ness by balking his tears out on the field then a player who doesn't give a shite about how his club is doing and is only looking to get home early on his fast car to shag his hot wife.
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Mar 18 2008, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(m o m o @ Mar 18 2008, 01:23 PM) I do hope they make CRISTIANO Ronaldo the captain...tihiihihihihihihihihi...and swaddle him up in some Kevlar and lotsa foams coz he'll need it... I rofled hard at the bold And please add CRISTIANO before his name, it confuses me. For me, Ronaldo is a name that can only be used by the GREAT and original RONALDO...even another Ronaldo (at Barcelona) uses Ronaldinho...pay your respect to the legend and not call the some young upstart with 2 good seasons RONALDO. HHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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Mar 19 2008, 09:11 AM
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Call me old fashion, but I'd rather my captain remain composed throughout the match. Ronaldo was weeping but he wasn't captain so that doesn't bother me the slightest. If he was however, he has to keep his emotions in check for the benefit of the team. His players would all have been really down and he has to be the one to pick them up. If he is in tears, can you imagine what the other players that look up to him feel like? Shedding bucketloads is an emotional display that can show passion, but it can also come across as a display of weakness, and lack of composure, depending on how you look at it. It is in my opinion that captains be the first to congratulate their vanquishers and give his team a pat on the back, or a roasting depending on how they played.
Comparing Gerrard's credentials with Ronaldo's at this point, is a little absurd. Gerrard is no angel but neither was Roy Keane. |
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Mar 19 2008, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE(befitozi @ Mar 18 2008, 08:03 PM) I rofled hard at the bold dictionary.comHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA upstart: 1. an arrogant or presumptuous person 2. a person who has suddenly risen to a higher economic status but has not gained social acceptance of others in that class muahahaha |
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Mar 19 2008, 09:31 AM
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Stick the pos laju fragile sticker on his shirt loo...
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Mar 19 2008, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 19 2008, 09:11 AM) Call me old fashion, but I'd rather my captain remain composed throughout the match. Ronaldo was weeping but he wasn't captain so that doesn't bother me the slightest. If he was however, he has to keep his emotions in check for the benefit of the team. His players would all have been really down and he has to be the one to pick them up. If he is in tears, can you imagine what the other players that look up to him feel like? Shedding bucketloads is an emotional display that can show passion, but it can also come across as a display of weakness, and lack of composure, depending on how you look at it. It is in my opinion that captains be the first to congratulate their vanquishers and give his team a pat on the back, or a roasting depending on how they played. To be fair, he cried after the game and not during the game. And these are the games like the final of Euro and Semi finals of World Cup which is very important. Lots of captain cried after losing a very important game.Comparing Gerrard's credentials with Ronaldo's at this point, is a little absurd. Gerrard is no angel but neither was Roy Keane. QUOTE(ky_khor @ Mar 19 2008, 09:23 AM) dictionary.com 1. So is King Cantona and we loved him sooo much. upstart: 1. an arrogant or presumptuous person 2. a person who has suddenly risen to a higher economic status but has not gained social acceptance of others in that class muahahaha 2. Hmm, didn't he like won every award which was voted by fellow professionals in the BPL last season? I guess that means he was accepted by others in that class. |
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Mar 19 2008, 10:02 AM
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Gerrard was visibly distraught as well after the loss in Athens. Even the likes of him might not be able to deny he shed a tear or two after the game, whether in the pitch or in the dressing room.
Added on March 19, 2008, 10:11 am QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 19 2008, 09:11 AM) Call me old fashion, but I'd rather my captain remain composed throughout the match. Ronaldo was weeping but he wasn't captain so that doesn't bother me the slightest. If he was however, he has to keep his emotions in check for the benefit of the team. His players would all have been really down and he has to be the one to pick them up. If he is in tears, can you imagine what the other players that look up to him feel like? Shedding bucketloads is an emotional display that can show passion, but it can also come across as a display of weakness, and lack of composure, depending on how you look at it. It is in my opinion that captains be the first to congratulate their vanquishers and give his team a pat on the back, or a roasting depending on how they played. Yet both of them are marvellous captains. My point was that a captain need not have his emotions kept in check. Both of the former whined, had lots of things to say and were at times unprofessional. Still, they are labelled as the best in their department. Some of you saying Ronaldo does not deserve the armband becoz he cried and is an, I quote, "emo kid" is utterly ridiculous. Comparing Gerrard's credentials with Ronaldo's at this point, is a little absurd. Gerrard is no angel but neither was Roy Keane. That said, I don't think he will be captain one day, simply becoz there are better candidates in the squad. This post has been edited by Hevrn: Mar 19 2008, 10:11 AM |
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Mar 19 2008, 03:39 PM
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When it comes to emotions, I'm not just talking about crying. Same goes when players argue with the ref. The last thing you'd want is for your captain to be sent off for persistently harassing the ref, something that Terry does. No offence but I've noticed him doing that a few times. Captains should be pulling their teammates away from confrontation in order to prevent them from being sent off, not encouraging them by doing so themselves. Like I said though, it's just my opinion. I may be wrong.
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Mar 19 2008, 07:43 PM
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There are pros and cons to a vocal captain. You wouldn't want a captain to stay back and keep quiet about it when a decision doesnt go your team's way, yet you don't wanna lose your most influential player on the pitch.
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Mar 20 2008, 03:23 AM
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bit later will be a good time to judge whether he could be a (good) captain or not, based on the official line-up, he is supposed to be the captain tonite.
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Mar 20 2008, 12:50 PM
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CR did it well this morning...
he lead the team and won the match... |
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