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Menyelamatkan anjing dapat pahala, kata mufti
Faiz Zainudin
| March 28, 2017

Dua mufti negeri menjelaskan Islam tidak pernah melarang memelihara dan menjaga kebajikan anjing.


PETALING JAYA: Islam tidak melarang umatnya memelihara anjing malah menggalakkan mereka berbuat baik kepada binatang itu walaupun terdapat peraturan penyucian, kata Mufti Pulau Pinang, Datuk Dr Wan Salim Mohd Nor.

Wan Salim berkata manjaga binatang termasuk anjing dengan niat memberi bantuan juga akan mendapat pahala dan termasuk dalam kategori amal kebajikan.

“Asasnya dalam agama Islam kita tidak ada larangan malah digalakkan kita buat baik kepada binatang termasuk menjaga anjing sakit, maknanya ia mendapat pahala juga.

“Zaman nabi dulu yang diceritakan dalam hadis, orang yang banyak dosa tiba-tiba dia nampak anjing haus lalu dia cabut sepatunya dan mengambil air dan beri minum kepada seekor anjing, maka malaikat mengampunkan dosa dia kerana perbuatan itu,” katanya kepada FMT.

Beliau berkata apa yang membezakan pemikiran manusia adalah dari segi mazhab sahaja, melibatkan soal penyucian, kerana anjing tergolong dalam kumpulan najis berat.

“Setiap mazhab berbeza dari segi najis dan tidak najis, dalam setengah mazhab selain Syafi, hanya air liur dan najis sahaja dikategori sebagai najis berat, dan bahagian badan yang lain tidak najis. Tapi bagi mazhab Shafi, semuanya najis dan kalau tersentuh maka kena samak dan dibasuh 7 kali,” katanya.

Beliau berkata demikian mengulas segelintir umat Islam di Malaysia yang menyelamatkan dan memberi perlindungan kepada anjing.

Binatang itu rata-rata tidak didampingi umat Islam Malaysia yang rata-rata bermazhab Syafi.

Baru-baru ini, media melaporkan seorang remaja Norashikin Ahmad yang menjaga kira-kira 150 ekor kucing dan 50 anjing terbiar di Melaka.

Kisah menjaga anjing juga dikaitkan dengan arwah Md Azmi Ismail atau Pak Mi dan isterinya, Halija Idris, yang pernah mengundang cemuhan masyarakat sebelum ini.

Mengulas lanjut, Wan Salim berkata walaupun Islam menggalakkan umatnya berbuat baik kepada binatang, keutamaan perlu diberikan kepada kebajikan manusia.

“Dalam Islam, kita ada prioriti, maknanya manusia sebagai makhluk termulia kita kena utamakan manusia, kalau masih ramai manusia kelaparan dan susah kita kena utamakan bantu manusia, bukan haiwan. Tapi kalau manusia sudah mewah, tiada masalah kita nak berbakti kepada binatang,” katanya.

Pendapat Wan Salim disokong Mufti Kelantan, Datuk Mohamad Shukri Mohamad.

Menurutnya, Islam juga membolehkan anjing dipelihara bagi tujuan tertentu seperti kawalan keselamatan, pemburuan dan sebagainya.

Katanya sudah dijelaskan secara terperinci di dalam kitab mengenai hukum memelihara anjing, yang merangkumi peraturan serta pengendalian haiwan yang tergolong dalam kumpulan najis berat itu.

“Dalam mazhab Syafi pun, kita boleh memelihara anjing untuk kegunaan keselamatan, malah dia juga dibolehkan untuk tujuan memburu, menjaga rumah. Cuma soalnya, kalau terkena badan kita, kena basuh, samak, itu sahaja,” katanya.

Bagimanapun, Shukri menasihatkan umat Islam tidak mendekati anjing semata-mata untuk tujuan bersuka ria.

“Kalau semata-mata pelihara anjing untuk bersuka ria dengan tidak beri faedah sehingga perbelanjaan besar itu perlu dipertimbang,” katanya.

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life is life. cruelty to animals are no diff.

all life is precious and should be valued except lalat, mosquitos and rats.
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QUOTE(upcars @ Mar 28 2017, 10:23 AM)
life is life. cruelty to animals are no diff.

all life is precious and should be valued except lalat, mosquitos and rats.
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also geckos
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Bagimanapun, Shukri menasihatkan umat Islam tidak mendekati anjing semata-mata untuk tujuan bersuka ria.

“Kalau semata-mata pelihara anjing untuk bersuka ria dengan tidak beri faedah sehingga perbelanjaan besar itu perlu dipertimbang,” katanya.

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The bus driver was trying to avoid a dog in a bus accident near Bukit Tambun that killed one passenger sad.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ Mar 28 2017, 10:26 AM)
The bus driver was trying to avoid a dog in a bus accident near Bukit Tambun that killed one passenger  sad.gif
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So he claimed.
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Makhluk yang mulia? (I duno le)

Quite a few like to do evil stuff like:
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- Environment nuisance : Noise pollution
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Doesnt matter la what mufti said also

Still my cainis office colleague tanya2 sarcastically why kenot touch anjing, why this why that with anjing.

Toxic people. I nvr ask also why they sembah patung, bakar hell money, bakar colok, pertuhankan money.
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orang yang banyak buat dosa bagi anjing minum dalam kisah tu seorang pelacur, kan?
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:33 AM)
Doesnt matter la what mufti said also

Still my cainis office colleague tanya2 sarcastically why kenot touch anjing, why this why that with anjing.

Toxic people. I nvr ask also why they sembah patung, bakar hell money, bakar colok, pertuhankan money.
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Just explain lah. Educate them; they don't sound very intelligent.
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buat baik jgn harap dapat pahala......niat ikhlas
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:33 AM)
Doesnt matter la what mufti said also

Still my cainis office colleague tanya2 sarcastically why kenot touch anjing, why this why that with anjing.

Toxic people. I nvr ask also why they sembah patung, bakar hell money, bakar colok, pertuhankan money.
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that's ur problem

why u dun ask
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QUOTE(upcars @ Mar 28 2017, 10:23 AM)
life is life. cruelty to animals are no diff.

all life is precious and should be valued except lalat, mosquitos and rats.
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eh why no upcar england wan? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:33 AM)
Doesnt matter la what mufti said also

Still my cainis office colleague tanya2 sarcastically why kenot touch anjing, why this why that with anjing.

Toxic people. I nvr ask also why they sembah patung, bakar hell money, bakar colok, pertuhankan money.
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Cannot help they always want to know why that why this, that no normal we are normal.. its their culture.

Just respect and let other muslims practice their religion in peace.
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Mar 28 2017, 10:34 AM)
Just explain lah.  Educate them; they don't sound very intelligent.
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Sudah educate.

Still want to ask main2, joke with people religion.

The thing is i never joke with people religion. U want to sembah wat also i dont care. Just dont suka2 cakap things yang you dont even know.


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What about preaching illogical hate/fear against certain animals?
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QUOTE(Timemuffin @ Mar 28 2017, 10:37 AM)
that's ur problem

why u dun ask
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I no kepoh type punya people.

Also if i tnya some people might be offended so might as well dont tanya
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:39 AM)
Sudah educate.

Still want to ask main2, joke with people religion.

The thing is i never joke with people religion. U want to sembah wat also i dont care. Just dont suka2 cakap things yang you dont even know.
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I see. Good that you tried.

Some people are just not very tactful. Low EQ, I guess.
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:33 AM)
Doesnt matter la what mufti said also

Still my cainis office colleague tanya2 sarcastically why kenot touch anjing, why this why that with anjing.

Toxic people. I nvr ask also why they sembah patung, bakar hell money, bakar colok, pertuhankan money.
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it's call respect yoh

it seem that your Chinese friends doesn't respect you enough

I know that when shot occur that related to muslim and nons in Malaysia there is a shadow hand doing things like that

so we will be divided

funny thing, people who claim. that they don't want the country divided are the one actually first in line to mock others
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anjing tak salah... hanya LGE yg salah
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Just because this kid decide to take care of animals, which include dogs, now muftis​ want to judge her action?

Why cannot just accept she is good hearted and want to help others, irregardless whatever the religion teach.
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QUOTE(nuvi @ Mar 28 2017, 10:46 AM)
Just because this kid decide to take care of animals, which include dogs, now muftis​ want to judge her action?

Why cannot just accept she is good hearted and want to help others, irregardless whatever the religion teach.
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did you even read the article?
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QUOTE(IMORTALfatahL2401 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:42 AM)
it's call respect yoh

it seem that your Chinese friends doesn't respect you enough

I know that when shot occur that related to muslim and nons in Malaysia there is a shadow hand doing things like that

so we will be divided

funny thing, people who claim. that they don't want the country divided are the one actually first in line to mock others
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No. They dont respect what people believe. I dont respect some of my colleague, but i dont go cakap he bodo hari2 bakar colok bagi buah offer kat orang mati.

My tudung labuh colleague also they almost everyday ask why kenot touch skin, can touch skin but berlapik kan kertas also kira haram?

Things like that make me boils you know. Explain brapa kali pun still nak joke around
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my malay not good

dapat pahala means get head?
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:50 AM)
No. They dont respect what people believe. I dont respect some of my colleague, but i dont go cakap he bodo hari2 bakar colok bagi buah offer kat orang mati.

My tudung labuh colleague also they almost everyday ask why kenot touch skin, can touch skin but berlapik kan kertas also kira haram?

Things like that make me boils you know. Explain brapa kali pun still nak joke around
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report to the boss then.
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QUOTE(nuvi @ Mar 28 2017, 10:46 AM)
Just because this kid decide to take care of animals, which include dogs, now muftis​ want to judge her action?

Why cannot just accept she is good hearted and want to help others, irregardless whatever the religion teach.
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Lel did you even read the article?
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QUOTE(lol~ @ Mar 28 2017, 10:53 AM)
report to the boss then.
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Want to bet how much the top management cares when its their own kind?

None bro.




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QUOTE(lol~ @ Mar 28 2017, 10:48 AM)
did you even read the article?
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Dia boleh ke baca? Atau mungkin dia tak faham apa yang dibaca?
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:50 AM)
No. They dont respect what people believe. I dont respect some of my colleague, but i dont go cakap he bodo hari2 bakar colok bagi buah offer kat orang mati.

My tudung labuh colleague also they almost everyday ask why kenot touch skin, can touch skin but berlapik kan kertas also kira haram?

Things like that make me boils you know. Explain brapa kali pun still nak joke around
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u kena troll kawkaw.....haiya.....they main main jee...

u also can troll back ask them eat candle use hell notes.....
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:56 AM)
Want to bet how much the top management cares when its their own kind?

None bro.
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Try lah.

No harm in trying.

I am a boss. I take such matters seriously.
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I get that Islam has certain practices when it comes to dogs. No problem with that.

I have problems with indoctrination with Muslims especially in their youth that portray dogs as some hellish creatures that will eat babies.

I can count on many occasions where Muslims act hysterically when they are approached by my dogs when I took them out for a walk. My dogs were on leash and didn't even provoke them. There are people who hisses, bitches and kids that attempt to throw stones to harmless dogs.

I remember once we have a feast at my home where my family invited our neighbors as well. One of the teenage girls reacts hysterically crying and screaming just because my house has dogs. Wtf Muslims are teaching to their kids about dogs la?
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QUOTE(nuvi @ Mar 28 2017, 10:46 AM)
Just because this kid decide to take care of animals, which include dogs, now muftis​ want to judge her action?

Why cannot just accept she is good hearted and want to help others, irregardless whatever the religion teach.
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bodo tu boleh simpan sikit?
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Dakwah done ka
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anjing..babi...<------triggered
perempuan, arak, interest (riba').....<---not triggered

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QUOTE(lol~ @ Mar 28 2017, 10:48 AM)
did you even read the article?
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QUOTE(WanMB @ Mar 28 2017, 10:54 AM)
Lel did you even read the article?
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I read and understand it. Did you understand it?
It's not saying ok or not ok.
Why impose religion stuff on her action?
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u kena troll kawkaw.....haiya.....they main main jee...

u also can troll back ask them eat candle use hell notes.....
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Dont joke with people's religion.

I dont joke with people religion, i expect the same treatment.

And ur the sort of people that i hate the most. Cant seem to restraint urself for doing religion joke.
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Mar 28 2017, 11:00 AM)
Try lah. 

No harm in trying. 

I am a boss.  I take such matters seriously.
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Plot twist: joe_mamak is actually zaini900 's boss IRL.

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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Mar 28 2017, 11:02 AM)
I get that Islam has certain practices when it comes to dogs. No problem with that.

I have problems with indoctrination with Muslims especially in their youth that portray dogs as some hellish creatures that will eat babies.

I can count on many occasions where Muslims act hysterically when they are approached by my dogs when I took them out for a walk. My dogs were on leash and didn't even provoke them. There are people who hisses, bitches and kids that attempt to throw stones to harmless dogs.

I remember once we have a feast at my home where my family invited our neighbors as well. One of the teenage girls reacts hysterically crying and screaming just because my house has dogs. Wtf Muslims are teaching to their kids about dogs la?
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sorry but u cant assume. i will get as far as i can from dogs same as with spiders and snakes coz i have phobia. i been in few occasion where dog chase me, bit me and etc. but i try to face the fear slowly now. i can walk near dogs now, just not the one who bark at me.

but i not gonna throw stone etc unless they gonna attack me. been in that situation many time before. i also dunno why (house) dog keep barking at me even i didnt do anything confused.gif
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Mar 28 2017, 10:22 AM)
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ala-kata-mufti/

Menyelamatkan anjing dapat pahala, kata mufti
Faiz Zainudin
| March 28, 2017

Dua mufti negeri menjelaskan Islam tidak pernah melarang memelihara dan menjaga kebajikan anjing.
PETALING JAYA: Islam tidak melarang umatnya memelihara anjing malah menggalakkan mereka berbuat baik kepada binatang itu walaupun terdapat peraturan penyucian, kata Mufti Pulau Pinang, Datuk Dr Wan Salim Mohd Nor.

Wan Salim berkata manjaga binatang termasuk anjing dengan niat memberi bantuan juga akan mendapat pahala dan termasuk dalam kategori amal kebajikan.

“Asasnya dalam agama Islam kita tidak ada larangan malah digalakkan kita buat baik kepada binatang termasuk menjaga anjing sakit, maknanya ia mendapat pahala juga.

“Zaman nabi dulu yang diceritakan dalam hadis, orang yang banyak dosa tiba-tiba dia nampak anjing haus lalu dia cabut sepatunya dan mengambil air dan beri minum kepada seekor anjing, maka malaikat mengampunkan dosa dia kerana perbuatan itu,” katanya kepada FMT.

Beliau berkata apa yang membezakan pemikiran manusia adalah dari segi mazhab sahaja, melibatkan soal penyucian, kerana anjing tergolong dalam kumpulan najis berat.

“Setiap mazhab berbeza dari segi najis dan tidak najis, dalam setengah mazhab selain Syafi, hanya air liur dan najis sahaja dikategori sebagai najis berat, dan bahagian badan yang lain tidak najis. Tapi bagi mazhab Shafi, semuanya najis dan kalau tersentuh maka kena samak dan dibasuh 7 kali,” katanya.

Beliau berkata demikian mengulas segelintir umat Islam di Malaysia yang menyelamatkan dan memberi perlindungan kepada anjing.

Binatang itu rata-rata tidak didampingi umat Islam Malaysia yang rata-rata bermazhab Syafi.

Baru-baru ini, media melaporkan seorang remaja Norashikin Ahmad yang menjaga kira-kira 150 ekor kucing dan 50 anjing terbiar di Melaka.

Kisah menjaga anjing juga dikaitkan dengan arwah Md Azmi Ismail atau Pak Mi dan isterinya, Halija Idris, yang pernah mengundang cemuhan masyarakat sebelum ini.

Mengulas lanjut, Wan Salim berkata walaupun Islam menggalakkan umatnya berbuat baik kepada binatang, keutamaan perlu diberikan kepada kebajikan manusia.

“Dalam Islam, kita ada prioriti, maknanya manusia sebagai makhluk termulia kita kena utamakan manusia, kalau masih ramai manusia kelaparan dan susah kita kena utamakan bantu manusia, bukan haiwan. Tapi kalau manusia sudah mewah, tiada masalah kita nak berbakti kepada binatang,” katanya.

Pendapat Wan Salim disokong Mufti Kelantan, Datuk Mohamad Shukri Mohamad.

Menurutnya, Islam juga membolehkan anjing dipelihara bagi tujuan tertentu seperti kawalan keselamatan, pemburuan dan sebagainya.

Katanya sudah dijelaskan secara terperinci di dalam kitab mengenai hukum memelihara anjing, yang merangkumi peraturan serta pengendalian haiwan yang tergolong dalam kumpulan najis berat itu.

“Dalam mazhab Syafi pun, kita boleh memelihara anjing untuk kegunaan keselamatan, malah dia juga dibolehkan untuk tujuan memburu, menjaga rumah. Cuma soalnya, kalau terkena badan kita, kena basuh, samak, itu sahaja,” katanya.

Bagimanapun, Shukri menasihatkan umat Islam tidak mendekati anjing semata-mata untuk tujuan bersuka ria.

“Kalau semata-mata pelihara anjing untuk bersuka ria dengan tidak beri faedah sehingga perbelanjaan besar itu perlu dipertimbang,” katanya.
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Bunuh cicak dapat pahala kata ulamak PAS


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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 11:05 AM)
Dont joke with people's religion.

I dont joke with people religion, i expect the same treatment.

And ur the sort of people that i hate the most. Cant seem to restraint urself for doing religion joke.
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stay cool ler.... just tell them u wanna understand more go mosque there ask imam.
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Mar 28 2017, 11:15 AM)
Plot twist: joe_mamak is actually zaini900 's boss IRL.

Next golden question: walao weh~ both got so much time to surf /k/?
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No lah

Lol
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Mar 28 2017, 10:58 AM)
u kena troll kawkaw.....haiya.....they main main jee...

u also can troll back ask them eat candle use hell notes.....
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sick.

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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Mar 28 2017, 11:15 AM)
Plot twist: joe_mamak is actually zaini900 's boss IRL.

Next golden question: walao weh~ both got so much time to surf /k/?
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Mar 28 2017, 11:18 AM)
stay cool ler.... just tell them u wanna understand more go mosque there ask imam.
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I cool lor, deswai dont attack.

Coz i know they will def i syiok2 joke only, why so serious? Islam tak boleh melawak? Islam tak cool? Islam ajar people to angry2 when people are just joking?

You should know better because ur reply earlier also similiar.
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:33 AM)
Doesnt matter la what mufti said also

Still my cainis office colleague tanya2 sarcastically why kenot touch anjing, why this why that with anjing.

Toxic people. I nvr ask also why they sembah patung, bakar hell money, bakar colok, pertuhankan money.
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Ask why cainis do this to anjing


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I read and understand it. Did you understand it?
It's not saying ok or not ok.
Why impose religion stuff on her action?
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because he try to clarify to the people who critics her action. to justify that there is nothing wrong with her action so that the community accept it, not curse her. so that there are no serious action taken by the community around her or in the other word extremist. is that hard to understand?
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Two wrongs don't make a right.

Some of you just don't get it.
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You can lawan balik lah...

Ask why cainis do this to anjing


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Two wrongs don't make a right. 

Some of you just don't get it.
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It kinda does. Hiroshima is an example. Or Chin Peng vs the Japanese, etc.
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I dont kepoh one. If i make joke like that. I same only with them
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QUOTE(lol~ @ Mar 28 2017, 11:16 AM)
sorry but u cant assume. i will get as far as i can from dogs same as with spiders and snakes coz i have phobia. i been in few occasion where dog chase me, bit me and etc. but i try to face the fear slowly now. i can walk near dogs now, just not the one who bark at me.

but i not gonna throw stone etc unless they gonna attack me. been in that situation many time before. i also dunno why (house) dog keep barking at me even i didnt do anything confused.gif
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u throw stone even when a dog is just barking at u?
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QUOTE(spanker @ Mar 28 2017, 11:32 AM)
It kinda does. Hiroshima is an example. Or Chin Peng vs the Japanese, etc.
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Hiroshima isn't a good example.

The Americans didn't bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki as payback or anything like that.

If they didn't do that, more American and allied lives would have been lost in an invasion of Japan. The Japanese would have fought them inch for inch.
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Ikut mazhab la.

Bukannya boleh bela dalam rumah sebagai pet.

Untuk keselamatan, berburu, jaga ladang, ok la.
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QUOTE(lol~ @ Mar 28 2017, 11:22 AM)
because he try to clarify to the people who critics her action. to justify that there is nothing wrong with her action so that the community accept it, not curse her. so that there are no serious action taken by the community around her or in the other word extremist. is that hard to understand?
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Then​ the problem is those people that criticise her. They the one that need to be told people can choose their own life.

Or is it life must be followed according to what they say is ok or not?
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QUOTE(lol~ @ Mar 28 2017, 11:16 AM)
sorry but u cant assume. i will get as far as i can from dogs same as with spiders and snakes coz i have phobia. i been in few occasion where dog chase me, bit me and etc. but i try to face the fear slowly now. i can walk near dogs now, just not the one who bark at me.

but i not gonna throw stone etc unless they gonna attack me. been in that situation many time before. i also dunno why (house) dog keep barking at me even i didnt do anything :confused:
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dogs can sense fear n hate
if u look at the percentage of Malay kids getting bitten it doesn't make any sense because dogs aren't racists at all.
the only explanation is because when u already hate that animal, u give out the threat and the dog picks it up therefore it will attack u.

get chased by dogs are normal.
get bitten is because u become a threat to dogs.

I've seen many time Malay kids throw rocks at stray dogs. dogs will remember them n when got chance attack back.

so pls if it religion forbid dogs also, don't go hate them, throw rocks or what. when u give an action to them, u will get reaction from them

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life is life. cruelty to animals are no diff.

all life is precious and should be valued except lalat, mosquitos and rats.
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i guess its not muslims have dog phobia but malays and even some cinis that dun understand dogs have phobia
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wat?

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One really honest question from me. Been wondering for the longest time perhaps.

I used to be scared of dogs when I was a kid due to me being chased by a dog and my little sister was bitten by it. Unlike my traumatized sister, I managed to overcome the fear from reading the tips given by /k/ years ago. These days, I am no longer scared of dogs, not even the stray ones. But I do realize something, stray dogs will not bark at me, but those being kept in the house compound barked relentlessly whenever I passed by in front of the houses (in my neighbourhood). Why arrr?
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QUOTE(lol~ @ Mar 28 2017, 11:16 AM)
sorry but u cant assume. i will get as far as i can from dogs same as with spiders and snakes coz i have phobia. i been in few occasion where dog chase me, bit me and etc. but i try to face the fear slowly now. i can walk near dogs now, just not the one who bark at me.

but i not gonna throw stone etc unless they gonna attack me. been in that situation many time before. i also dunno why (house) dog keep barking at me even i didnt do anything :confused:
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dogs bark to defend territory. it's normal.
if u are slowly surrounded by strays, just relax. dunt feel panic or fearful. they will pick it up and attack u.
face them slowly retreat ur steps and walk away.
and don't take stones attack them. u will only make it worse.

if u got stick slowly walk away with that stick. don't do provocative moves like throwing rocks
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Mar 28 2017, 11:15 AM)
Plot twist: joe_mamak is actually zaini900 's boss IRL.

Next golden question: walao weh~ both got so much time to surf /k/?
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but i not gonna throw stone etc unless they gonna attack me.

i bold for u. easy to spot the answer. in case u cant see them
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One really honest question from me. Been wondering for the longest time perhaps.

I used to be scared of dogs when I was a kid due to me being chased by a dog and my little sister was bitten by it. Unlike my traumatized sister, I managed to overcome the fear from reading the tips given by /k/ years ago. These days, I am no longer scared of dogs, not even the stray ones. But I do realize something, stray dogs will not bark at me, but those being kept in the house compound barked relentlessly whenever I passed by in front of the houses (in my neighbourhood). Why arrr?
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Stray dogs probably had stones thrown at them before. Or were abused in other ways. I have seen idiots on motorbikes passing a stray and just kicking the dog.

Strays would rather avoid a confrontation. They just turn round and run off.

Another possible explanation is that they don't really have a turf to defend. Dogs in house compounds do.

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QUOTE(lol~ @ Mar 28 2017, 11:16 AM)
sorry but u cant assume. i will get as far as i can from dogs same as with spiders and snakes coz i have phobia. i been in few occasion where dog chase me, bit me and etc. but i try to face the fear slowly now. i can walk near dogs now, just not the one who bark at me.

but i not gonna throw stone etc unless they gonna attack me. been in that situation many time before. i also dunno why (house) dog keep barking at me even i didnt do anything :confused:
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I understand the fear. Some of my friends regardless of race also fear dogs and freak out when they visit my home.

Protip, throwing stones is just going to aggravate the dogs even further lol. Next time just be calm and ignore them will do.

As for why dogs bark? My guesses is that dogs are territorial creatures, particularly house dogs, which is the reason why they make good guards. Hence that might the reason that they bark at you.

They also bark when they want something, or trying to be friendly. It goes to case to case basis and most people that has good experience with dogs can tell apart.
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Mar 28 2017, 11:48 AM)
One really honest question from me. Been wondering for the longest time perhaps.

I used to be scared of dogs when I was a kid due to me being chased by a dog and my little sister was bitten by it. Unlike my traumatized sister, I managed to overcome the fear from reading the tips given by /k/ years ago. These days, I am no longer scared of dogs, not even the stray ones. But I do realize something, stray dogs will not bark at me, but those being kept in the house compound barked relentlessly whenever I passed by in front of the houses (in my neighbourhood). Why arrr?
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once u don't emit that fear, the dogs knew ur intention is good n meant no harm to them.

those dogs bark to defend their territory only.
some kept at home got too much of energy n bark non stop. sometimes at night they see dirty things also can bark.

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QUOTE(nuvi @ Mar 28 2017, 11:41 AM)
Then​ the problem is those people that criticise her. They the one that need to be told people can choose their own life.

Or is it life must be followed according to what they say is ok or not?
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of course and from my understanding, the article is to clarify to the community who criticize her, not to the girl.

and no. we are not follow according to the mufti. we follow the way of islam. mufti is there to clarify the confusion only.

QUOTE(AllnGap @ Mar 28 2017, 11:44 AM)
dogs can sense fear n hate
if u look at the percentage of Malay kids getting bitten it doesn't make any sense because dogs aren't racists at all.
the only explanation is because when u already hate that animal, u give out the threat and the dog picks it up therefore it will attack u.

get chased by dogs are normal.
get bitten is because u become a threat to dogs.

I've seen many time Malay kids throw rocks at stray dogs. dogs will remember them n when got chance attack back.

so pls if it religion forbid dogs also, don't go hate them, throw rocks or what. when u give an action to them, u will get reaction from them
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some dogs bark some are not. usually the one who bark is behind the gates. street dogs ok ok only with me. even close by they dont bark. just walk pass by and i also walk pass them.

and i dont hate animal cry.gif . even dogs. i just phobia.

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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:33 AM)
Doesnt matter la what mufti said also

Still my cainis office colleague tanya2 sarcastically why kenot touch anjing, why this why that with anjing.

Toxic people. I nvr ask also why they sembah patung, bakar hell money, bakar colok, pertuhankan money.
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Mar 28 2017, 11:54 AM)
Stray dogs probably had stones thrown at them before.  Or were abused in other ways.  I have seen idiots on motorbikes passing a stray and just kicking the dog. 

Strays would rather avoid a confrontation.  They just turn round and run off. 

Another possible explanation is that they don't really have a turf to defend.  Dogs in house compounds do.
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Mar 28 2017, 11:57 AM)
once u don't emit that fear, the dogs knew ur intention is good n meant no harm to them.

those dogs bark to defend their territory only.
some kept at home got too much of energy n bark non stop. sometimes at night they see dirty things also can bark.
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Ahhh~ make sense though. But I always suspect that the house dogs in my neighbourhood are being prejudice against me laugh.gif because whenever my Mom walked in front of those houses, they don't bark at her, but the strays on the other hand will do sometimes and my Mom can easily get agitated.
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Ahhh~ make sense though. But I always suspect that the house dogs in my neighbourhood are being prejudice against me laugh.gif because whenever my Mom walked in front of those houses, they don't bark at her, but the strays on the other hand will do sometimes and my Mom can easily get agitated.
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Dogs are also selective.

I have tried to be friendly with some of my friends' dogs, but they tak layan.

On the other hand, they seem to be friendly to other people. sad.gif

I guess, you either hit it off or you don't.

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QUOTE(siaoand1 @ Mar 28 2017, 11:55 AM)
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Mar 28 2017, 12:03 PM)
Ahhh~ make sense though. But I always suspect that the house dogs in my neighbourhood are being prejudice against me laugh.gif because whenever my Mom walked in front of those houses, they don't bark at her, but the strays on the other hand will do sometimes and my Mom can easily get agitated.
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strays bark to defend their territory only.
don't hate them, don't fear, don't throw rocks just walk away.
throwing rocks is invitation for trouble (provocation)

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When I encounter aggressive strays, I just stand my ground.

I can tell they are wondering wtf to do with me.

If I turn and run, they would chase.
If I make a sudden move to pick up a stone, they could be more aggressive.

So, I just do nothing but stand there and cock stare them.

After a while, they would figure out that I won't yield and they can't take me on. Then they just go away.
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of course and from my understanding, the article is to clarify to the community who criticize her, not to the girl.

and no. we are not follow according to the mufti. we follow the way of islam. mufti is there to clarify the confusion only.
some dogs bark some are not. usually the one who bark is behind the gates. street dogs ok ok only with me. even close by they dont bark. just walk pass by and i also walk pass them.

and i dont hate animal  cry.gif . even dogs. i just phobia.
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behind the gates they are guarding the house mer....

they pick up ur fear easily. remember that. stay cool
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Strays used to hound me when I went back trekking nearly 100 meters to my apartment from nearest KTM station in wee hours of midnight during my bujang days.

I simply confronted them and pickup stones or sticks lying by the road and and shouted at them dogs while playfully attempting to throw the sticks or stones .... acted oni la becoz those doggies meant no harm, tunjuk action oni.

Used to called 'em Black Dog Bone group, ofcoz by then oredy biasa2 no kacau me no more. Sumtaim they even walked me back home, good strays.

The Black Dog Bone got decimated by nearby new stray pack that maimed the leader, later think they migrate to other neighbourhood ... while the new samseng strays later got decimated when Bandaran did the OPS ANJING rounded the new strays.
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Mar 28 2017, 11:48 AM)
One really honest question from me. Been wondering for the longest time perhaps.

I used to be scared of dogs when I was a kid due to me being chased by a dog and my little sister was bitten by it. Unlike my traumatized sister, I managed to overcome the fear from reading the tips given by /k/ years ago. These days, I am no longer scared of dogs, not even the stray ones. But I do realize something, stray dogs will not bark at me, but those being kept in the house compound barked relentlessly whenever I passed by in front of the houses (in my neighbourhood). Why arrr?
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Because those dogs in houses are very territorial. And they lack socialisation with humans.

This is unlike stray dogs where they have encountered so many people around.

In my experience as a leaflet distributor, I'm always always and always afraid of dogs kept in houses, not the stray dogs.


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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Mar 28 2017, 12:18 PM)
When I encounter aggressive strays, I just stand my ground. 

I can tell they are wondering wtf to do with me. 

If I turn and run, they would chase.
If I make a sudden move to pick up a stone, they could be more aggressive. 

So, I just do nothing but stand there and cock stare them. 

After a while, they would figure out that I won't yield and they can't take me on.  Then they just go away.
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In Islam when you save ANY ANIMAL,including Babi(Pig,Khinzir or whatever name you want to call it) you get a pahala la..

Haish,no wonder people here misunderstood Islam dry.gif
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semata-mata pelihara anjing untuk bersuka ria dengan tidak beri faedah sehingga perbelanjaan besar itu perlu dipertimbang

its not good point moreover its a best friend for those who own it and best protector to the person it loves.If me i will rather spend cash to dogs rather than to human those who forget us after awhile.
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:33 AM)
Doesnt matter la what mufti said also

Still my cainis office colleague tanya2 sarcastically why kenot touch anjing, why this why that with anjing.

Toxic people. I nvr ask also why they sembah patung, bakar hell money, bakar colok, pertuhankan money.
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Ya bro.

I wonder why bijan pertuhankan money. Ko boleh bagi tahu tak?

Sembah patung/batu tak boleh ker?
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attack to me means he has cornered u and he is baring his teeth. Or an unleashed dog is lurging you. With that you are mostly to being bitten already. That's the meaning of attack. The word attack has been used so easily these days.

I hope you are not like those who just throw a stone at a dog just because the dog is merely barking. I have seen that so many times. With that, they also said it's an attack.
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QUOTE(IMORTALfatahL2401 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:42 AM)
it's call respect yoh

it seem that your Chinese friends doesn't respect you enough

I know that when shot occur that related to muslim and nons in Malaysia there is a shadow hand doing things like that

so we will be divided

funny thing, people who claim. that they don't want the country divided are the one actually first in line to mock others
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Mar 28 2017, 12:18 PM)
When I encounter aggressive strays, I just stand my ground. 

I can tell they are wondering wtf to do with me. 

If I turn and run, they would chase.
If I make a sudden move to pick up a stone, they could be more aggressive. 

So, I just do nothing but stand there and cock stare them. 

After a while, they would figure out that I won't yield and they can't take me on.  Then they just go away.
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Don't stare at them. Why u would want to do that?

Just mind your own business and do your stuff as usual.
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QUOTE(upcars @ Mar 28 2017, 10:23 AM)
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all life is precious and should be valued except lalat, mosquitos and rats.
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God created all animals and yet he ask his followers to hate and banned certain animals
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QUOTE(Vape On @ Mar 28 2017, 12:27 PM)
Ya bro.

I wonder why bijan pertuhankan money. Ko boleh bagi tahu tak?

Sembah patung/batu tak boleh ker?
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everyday aku bagi makan to stray cat & dog.. tapi everyday they give me tahi depan rumah..
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 12:37 PM)
Vape on, u toxic people.

So f off.
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he always in triggered mode 24/7 la. the sole reason hes in lowyat.net is to be triggered or try to triggered other people.  puke.gif
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u jangan so obvious sangat
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QUOTE(upcars @ Mar 28 2017, 10:23 AM)
life is life. cruelty to animals are no diff.

all life is precious and should be valued except lalat, mosquitos and rats.
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 12:23 PM)
Cepat lah triggered.
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QUOTE(adj3 @ Mar 28 2017, 12:42 PM)
u jangan so obvious sangat
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he always in triggered mode 24/7 la. the sole reason hes in lowyat.net is to be triggered or try to triggered other people.  puke.gif
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:50 AM)
No. They dont respect what people believe. I dont respect some of my colleague, but i dont go cakap he bodo hari2 bakar colok bagi buah offer kat orang mati.

My tudung labuh colleague also they almost everyday ask why kenot touch skin, can touch skin but berlapik kan kertas also kira haram?

Things like that make me boils you know. Explain brapa kali pun still nak joke around
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Nanti soh akak tu print tldr article bagi diorang
Xpun bagi no telefon ustaz soh depa kol sendiri

Kalau depa cakap apsal u sendiri xbole terangkan, ckp je dah penat terangkan hari2, tapi memandangkan org xfaham juga baik dia refer kan kepada org yg lebih pandai

Masalah melayu ni susah betul nak cakap terus terang, dok fikir sgt apa org nak kata, apa org lain fikir, sampai kita xperasan dalam hati kita dah kutuk benci orang tu. Lepas tu hati sendiri yang sakit, sebab terlalu tryhard nak put on an angel face.

Biar org lain yg bodoh, jgn biar bodoh diorang tu tarik kau kebawah sekali.
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QUOTE(nuvi @ Mar 28 2017, 11:04 AM)
I read and understand it. Did you understand it?
It's not saying ok or not ok.
Why impose religion stuff on her action?
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i never harm any stray cats @ dogs if they dont harm me.
on several occasion, especially at night, the stray dogs formed a pack and will chase and bark at any motorcyclist. im scared why la MPKJ dont catch these dogs..so agressive
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QUOTE(TAZIO.N @ Mar 28 2017, 12:25 PM)
Haiyo Unker Joe,why deleted my post doh.gif  doh.gif

In Islam when you save ANY ANIMAL,including Babi(Pig,Khinzir or whatever name you want to call it) you get a pahala la..

Haish,no wonder people here misunderstood Islam  dry.gif
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Mar 28 2017, 12:29 PM)
Don't stare at them. Why u would want to do that?

Just mind your own business and do your stuff as usual.
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Because it had come to that stage.

They were aggressive. Any sudden moves, even walking around them might set them off. So, just stand firm. Maintain eye contact; i.e. the staring part, to show that you are not going to yield.
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:33 AM)
Doesnt matter la what mufti said also

Still my cainis office colleague tanya2 sarcastically why kenot touch anjing, why this why that with anjing.

Toxic people. I nvr ask also why they sembah patung, bakar hell money, bakar colok, pertuhankan money.
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Wow...so many PH macai got Circus Animal Instructor talent!!....good laa...When PH bungkus nanti...this people can apply job at London Royal Circus. biggrin.gif
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The Quran contains a very important rule for all believers, and the rule is:

Nothing is haram (unlawful) unless it is prohibited by God Himself, and since God describes the Quran as complete, perfect and fully detailed, thus all the prohibitions decreed by God are found in the Quran. The following Quranic verses confirm this truth:

“Say, "Who prohibited the nice things God has created for His creatures, and the good provisions?" Say, "Such provisions are to be enjoyed in this life by those who believe. Moreover, the good provisions will be exclusively theirs on the Day of Resurrection." We thus explain the revelations for people who know.” 7:32

“Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?” 6:114

“You shall not utter lies with your own tongues stating: "This is halal (lawful), and this is haram (unlawful)," to fabricate lies and attribute them to God. Surely, those who fabricate lies and attribute them to God will never succeed.” 16:116
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QUOTE(JokerNymous @ Mar 28 2017, 12:25 PM)
semata-mata pelihara anjing untuk bersuka ria dengan tidak beri faedah sehingga perbelanjaan besar itu perlu dipertimbang

its not good point moreover its a best friend for those who own it and best protector to the person it loves.If me i will rather spend cash to dogs rather than to human those who forget us after awhile.
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well it's up to you. but it doesn't apply to muslims.
they can't keep it for fun or as a replacement for friend/children.
definitely no buying dog from breeders and treating it like own child.
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Mar 28 2017, 12:55 PM)
Because it had come to that stage. 

They were aggressive.  Any sudden moves, even walking around them might set them off.  So, just stand firm.  Maintain eye contact; i.e. the staring part, to show that you are not going to yield.
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U shouldn't stare at them. That will increase their aggression. Look elsewhere instead.

I have encountered a pack of over 15 stray dogs barking at me and i just ignored them and mind my own business. Probably to some, they would tell their friends they were being "attacked" by over 15 dogs already.
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Ok which one is worse sin/dosa ?

Bersuka ria with dogs or

Go beli 4 ekor
Smoke every day until ur kids n wife develop cancer from secondary smoke
Pay n receive corruption
Use co n gomen money to buy luxury bags

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Mar 28 2017, 11:37 AM)
Hiroshima isn't a good example. 

The Americans didn't bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki as payback or anything like that. 

If they didn't do that, more American and allied lives would have been lost in an invasion of Japan.  The Japanese would have fought them inch for inch.
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It's a perfect example. The Japanese were part of the invading force, bad.

Americans bombed Hiroshima, which is a civilian city. Wrong.

Ending the war, right.
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Mar 28 2017, 01:00 PM)
U shouldn't stare at them. That will increase their aggression. Look elsewhere instead.

I have encountered a pack of over 15 stray dogs barking at me and i just ignored them and mind my own business. Probably to some, they would tell their friends they were being "attacked" by over 15 dogs already.
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I guess different strokes for different folks or different situations.

I sure ain't going to take my eyes off a dog growling and barking and look like it would strike anytime. It is just a stare, maintaining eye contact. Sort of giving the message, you bite me, I am so going to bite you back. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Mar 28 2017, 01:03 PM)
I guess different strokes for different folks or different situations. 

I sure ain't going to take my eyes off a dog growling and barking and look like it would strike anytime.  It is just a stare, maintaining eye contact.  Sort of giving the message, you bite me, I am so going to bite you back.  biggrin.gif
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Well, to each his own.

Professional advice always says to avoid eye contact and I have been following that all the time.
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 11:05 AM)
Dont joke with people's religion.

I dont joke with people religion, i expect the same treatment.

And ur the sort of people that i hate the most. Cant seem to restraint urself for doing religion joke.
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Inb4 their excuse will be bacause sudah berkurun-kurun kena oppress.

Konon la katakan.
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 12:37 PM)
Vape on, u toxic people.

So f off.
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Mar 28 2017, 10:24 AM)
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QUOTE(StationMonkey @ Mar 28 2017, 12:51 PM)
Nanti soh akak tu print tldr article bagi diorang
Xpun bagi no telefon ustaz soh depa kol sendiri

Kalau depa cakap apsal u sendiri xbole terangkan, ckp je dah penat terangkan hari2, tapi memandangkan org xfaham juga baik dia refer kan kepada org yg lebih pandai

Masalah melayu ni susah betul nak cakap terus terang, dok fikir sgt apa org nak kata, apa org lain fikir, sampai kita xperasan dalam hati kita dah kutuk benci orang tu. Lepas tu hati sendiri yang sakit, sebab terlalu tryhard nak put on an angel face.

Biar org lain yg bodoh, jgn biar bodoh diorang tu tarik kau kebawah sekali.
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I ignore saja ma.

Explain sudah, sruh rujuk ustaz pon sudah. But they still want to be an ass. That girl also type of religious people also hari2 try to correct them oso no use. Dah la jenis lemah lembut.

The problem lies in them not drawing lines when it is should although we keep telling its a sensitive issue.


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QUOTE(spanker @ Mar 28 2017, 01:01 PM)
It's a perfect example. The Japanese were part of the invading force, bad.

Americans bombed Hiroshima, which is a civilian city. Wrong.

Ending the war, right.
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Wrong?

I don't know if there is much right or wrong during war time.

All this has been covered by historians - https://www.nps.gov/articles/trumanatomicbomb.htm

But of course, history is written by the victors.

I for one am fine with those two bombs going off.

Some of my ancestors would not be around if those bombs didn't go off. I might not be here either........

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You need to be told there will be rewards for you at the end of it all for you to do good? Pretty screwed up.
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QUOTE(juanpublo @ Mar 28 2017, 01:15 PM)
At least today i never start mentioning Tongsan in ktard.......arghh fark...there...you make me started again..
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Mar 28 2017, 12:19 PM)
behind the gates they are guarding the house mer....

they pick up ur fear easily. remember that. stay cool
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i aint even that close to the house sweat.gif . but i understand what u mean. the chiwawa one i not scare but some house go muscular big dog where 1 bite sure gonna tear off my arm. one time when i was doing something, my scumbag neighbor open the gate and the dog come strait at me barking. our house 2 gates away. i just said shoo shoo and dog keep barking. i look at the owner, he talking on the phone. what a douche.

QUOTE(Blofeld @ Mar 28 2017, 12:27 PM)
attack to me means he has cornered u and he is baring his teeth. Or an unleashed dog is lurging you. With that you are mostly to being bitten already. That's the meaning of attack. The word attack has been used so easily these days.

I hope you are not like those who just throw a stone at a dog just because the dog is merely barking. I have seen that so many times. With that, they also said it's an attack.
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this is what i meant too but not until been cornered. bitten? yes. not barking. the barking part is other part of story. not related. the dog was ready to jump already. i not the type of torturing animal one. even my house is a mini zoo with cats, turtle and hedgehogs. no way i gonna hurt an animal unless i force too. i love them wub.gif

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QUOTE(lol~ @ Mar 28 2017, 01:20 PM)
i aint even that close to the house  sweat.gif . but i understand what u mean. the chiwawa one i not scare but some house go muscular big dog where 1 bite sure gonna tear off my arm. one time when i was doing something, my scumbag neighbor open the gate and the dog come strait at me barking. our house 2 gates away. i just said shoo shoo and dog keep barking. i look at the owner, he talking on the phone. what a douche.
this is what i meant too. not barking. the barking part is other part of story. not related. the dog was ready to jump already. i not the type of torturing animal one. even my house is a mini zoo with cats, turtle and hedgehogs. no way i gonna hurt an animal unless i force too. i love them  wub.gif
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chiwawa pondan wan.

those dogs that the owner abuse them, those u should be wary of. because they are very unpredictable.
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bila k/ lagi muslim dari muslim
sembang mcm ustaz, padahal copy paste ja.

kah kah kah
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 01:11 PM)
I ignore saja ma.

Explain sudah, sruh rujuk ustaz pon sudah. But they still want to be an ass. That girl also type of religious people also hari2 try to correct them oso no use. Dah la jenis lemah lembut.

The problem lies in them not drawing lines when it is should although we keep telling its a sensitive issue.
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Ask her to be lagi aggresif

Hantar surah yasin ke org tu, surprise drive dia pi jumpa ustat, bgi hadiah telekung/serban
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QUOTE(n0kur0 @ Mar 28 2017, 01:24 PM)
wow
bila k/ lagi muslim dari muslim
sembang mcm ustaz, padahal copy paste ja.

kah kah kah
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QUOTE(vanpersie91 @ Mar 28 2017, 01:30 PM)
ok la dari orang yang tak tau apa apa tapi takde effort langsung nak at least copy paste and only know to laugh at people using dupe acc
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QUOTE(cedriclee @ Mar 28 2017, 12:57 PM)
The Quran contains a very important rule for all believers, and the rule is:

Nothing is haram (unlawful) unless it is prohibited by God Himself, and since God describes the Quran as complete, perfect and fully detailed, thus all the prohibitions decreed by God are found in the Quran. The following Quranic verses confirm this truth:

“Say, "Who prohibited the nice things God has created for His creatures, and the good provisions?" Say, "Such provisions are to be enjoyed in this life by those who believe. Moreover, the good provisions will be exclusively theirs on the Day of Resurrection." We thus explain the revelations for people who know.” 7:32

“Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?” 6:114

“You shall not utter lies with your own tongues stating: "This is halal (lawful), and this is haram (unlawful)," to fabricate lies and attribute them to God. Surely, those who fabricate lies and attribute them to God will never succeed.” 16:116
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So the muftis got it wrong when they say some foods are haram?

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QUOTE(spanker @ Mar 28 2017, 01:31 PM)
So the muftis got it wrong when they say some foods are haram?
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QUOTE(Vape On @ Mar 28 2017, 12:27 PM)
Ya bro.

I wonder why bijan pertuhankan money. Ko boleh bagi tahu tak?

Sembah patung/batu tak boleh ker?
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So the muftis got it wrong when they say some foods are haram?
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QUOTE(StationMonkey @ Mar 28 2017, 01:30 PM)
Ask her to be lagi aggresif

Hantar surah yasin ke org tu, surprise drive dia pi jumpa ustat, bgi hadiah telekung/serban
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:39 AM)
Sudah educate.

Still want to ask main2, joke with people religion.

The thing is i never joke with people religion. U want to sembah wat also i dont care. Just dont suka2 cakap things yang you dont even know.
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You dont but a lot of people do.
Agenda barat buruk, Yahudi, kafir lakhanat types. Not only joke, terus kutuk kena sembur air liur also got.
No provocation at all, they are the ones who ask 'You what religion? ' Just answer one word ' Christian', a long lecture of how bad the 'Christian' US , how immoral western countries are, and how good being a muslim is.

If I say its sensitive issue I tak mau nanti gaduh, they tak apa, bincang2 only. Say bincang but marah2.
If didnt answer their question, they say sombong. Answer that time, kutuk2, regardless the answer.

You say like you kena so kesian, non muslim kena 10X worse (on a regular basis)also chill only. Adui... Lol.

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dozens of my muslim friend drinks..

but none of them eat pork..

when i ask and tell them, " why you don't eat pork?"

they answered, " wei, babi haram la makan, jadi darah daging"..

me: *&($%^#%$@*&
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Mar 28 2017, 01:12 PM)
Wrong? 

I don't know if there is much right or wrong during war time. 

All this has been covered by historians - https://www.nps.gov/articles/trumanatomicbomb.htm

But of course, history is written by the historians. 

I for one am fine with those two bombs going off. 

Some of my ancestors would not be around if those bombs didn't go off.  I might not be here either........
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Hmm... No right or wrong during war time?

So it's acceptable for daesh to invade the EMEA region then?
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QUOTE(cedriclee @ Mar 28 2017, 01:38 PM)
Believe only the word of Allah from the Holy Book.
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You didn't answer the question. Are you saying the muftis are wrong?
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QUOTE(spanker @ Mar 28 2017, 01:55 PM)
Hmm... No right or wrong during war time?

So it's acceptable for daesh to invade the EMEA region then?
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I find being aggressive in front of a stray dog is more useful. What use run? most dog average speed faster and more stamina than a human.

Better make like acah-acah moves to threaten the dog. Dog will usually back away. But keep your eye until you or dog is quite far already, if not has chance dog will ambush you.
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QUOTE(spanker @ Mar 28 2017, 01:56 PM)
You didn't answer the question. Are you saying the muftis are wrong?
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Listen to the word of muftis, then refer back to the word of Allah.

Interpret yourselves whether the word of muftis is relaying the message of Allah from the already perfect Holy Quran.
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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Mar 28 2017, 01:46 PM)
You dont but a lot of people do.
Agenda barat buruk, Yahudi, kafir lakhanat types. Not only joke, terus kutuk kena sembur air liur also got.
No provocation at all, they are the ones who ask 'You what religion? ' Just answer one word ' Christian', a long lecture of how bad the 'Christian' US , how immoral western countries are, and how good being a muslim is.

If I say its sensitive issue I tak mau nanti gaduh, they tak apa, bincang2 only. Say bincang but marah2.
If didnt answer their question, they say sombong. Answer that time, kutuk2,  regardless the answer.

You say like you kena so kesian, non muslim kena 10X worse (on a regular basis)also chill only. Adui... Lol.
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:33 AM)
Doesnt matter la what mufti said also

Still my cainis office colleague tanya2 sarcastically why kenot touch anjing, why this why that with anjing.

Toxic people. I nvr ask also why they sembah patung, bakar hell money, bakar colok, pertuhankan money.
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they never know the reason behinf so are you.

whether you/someone tell them the origin of such thing, they will never know as wont even try to find out why

same thing as civilisation shock

same thing as why people eat bug and you dont

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ukur authenticity of copy paste dkt lowyat.
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QUOTE(zaini900 @ Mar 28 2017, 10:33 AM)
Doesnt matter la what mufti said also

Still my cainis office colleague tanya2 sarcastically why kenot touch anjing, why this why that with anjing.

Toxic people. I nvr ask also why they sembah patung, bakar hell money, bakar colok, pertuhankan money.
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Explain to them, else one day they did something offensive you say "why didn't you ask me first ?"
Same thing you cvan also ask back their sembah patung bakar hell money , or you can dont do so out of interest biggrin.gif

You presumed they will get triggered just like you when you throw them some question ?

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QUOTE(lol~ @ Mar 28 2017, 12:00 PM)
of course and from my understanding, the article is to clarify to the community who criticize her, not to the girl.

and no. we are not follow according to the mufti. we follow the way of islam. mufti is there to clarify the confusion only.
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And what if the mufti say not ok?
Then she deserves to be condemned when all she's​ trying to do is helping the animals?

Her act of kindness is the only thing that needs to be mentioned. Not a mufti says ok then only become ok.

Halal or haram, let it be decided on her afterlife, if you believe in it. Now is she's helping by being kind, that's​ all that matters.

QUOTE(WanMB @ Mar 28 2017, 12:52 PM)
The mufti is supporting her action by saying that its a good deed.
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Refer to above

QUOTE(whyamiblack @ Mar 28 2017, 01:17 PM)
You need to be told there will be rewards for you at the end of it all for you to do good? Pretty screwed up.
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Pahala aside, the part where you need someone to tell you what to do is consider as right is already screwed up. That's why group like isis can be successful, too many followers but no thinkers.

Tho the word "follower" kind of sum it up, you are to follow, not think.
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QUOTE(nuvi @ Mar 28 2017, 04:25 PM)
And what if the mufti say not ok?
Then she deserves to be condemned when all she's​ trying to do is helping the animals?
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1. mufti said ok. so please dont make it harder will ya?

2. IF not ok, then can refer 2nd 3rd opinion. mufti is not god.

3. IF still not ok then just advice. u need to know that islam is a religion of peace. we are not suppose to condemning other ppl if they do wrong. we advice him/her in a good way. so for the thing that u see or saw before or currently where ppl condemning others is yup u guess it right, they nots islam i practicing the true way of islam. How is it possible as religion of peace? because in bucket of eggs, there will be a rotten one. same like other religion where there will be a rotten egg. but....u know what the sad thing in this community? stereotype.

am i answering your question and doubt? wink.gif
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QUOTE(AyamBlend @ Mar 28 2017, 02:50 PM)
Explain to them, else one day they did something offensive you say "why didn't you ask me first ?"
Same thing you cvan also ask back their sembah patung bakar hell money , or you can dont do so out of interest  biggrin.gif

You presumed they will get triggered just like you when you throw them some question ?
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I dont presume.

They will get triggered if i did the same thing, in the same manner as they did.

So i just dont.
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as usual... man-made rules, some wanna play "god" themselves... and start creating/implementing their own fancy rules!!! probably... those ppl are not animal lovers!!!

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So those holy ppl kat fb yang kuat kutuk tu kira dosa tak?
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QUOTE(lol~ @ Mar 28 2017, 04:49 PM)
1. mufti said ok. so please dont make it harder will ya?

2. IF not ok, then can refer 2nd 3rd opinion. mufti is not god.

3. IF still not ok then just advice. u need to know that islam is a religion of peace. we are not suppose to condemning other ppl if they do wrong. we advice him/her in a good way. so for the thing that u see or saw before or currently where ppl condemning others is yup u guess it right, they nots islam i practicing the true way of islam. How is it possible as religion of peace? because in bucket of eggs, there will be a rotten one. same like other religion where there will be a rotten egg. but....u know what the sad thing in this community? stereotype.

am i answering your question and doubt?  wink.gif
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1. You just describe how followers should act, only follow.

2. Refer 2nd or 3rd opinion? Basically means you don't agree with 1st interpretation thus you looking for other interpretation that suits you. Why bother? Just follow whatever you believe in instead of looking for validation from others.

3. Not sure where's you going with this. And I don't think you know who's the first to coined the term religion of peace. And you want to talk about the true way? If you have really studied it you'll know there is no true way, only which interpretation that you want to follow.
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QUOTE(nuvi @ Mar 28 2017, 04:25 PM)
And what if the mufti say not ok?
Then she deserves to be condemned when all she's​ trying to do is helping the animals?

Her act of kindness is the only thing that needs to be mentioned. Not a mufti says ok then only become ok
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Why do u want to think the other way? Mufti already praised her action and thats it. Why have to twist to other situation? Whether her action ok or not depends on her religion. You might have different view but thats ur opinion. In this case, her action is right and is a good deed as what the mufti said. U dont have the right to say people are not allowed to say other people's action is right/wrong especially when u dont have the same belief as them. If u see someone do wrong will u keep quiet or will u warn the person not to do it so the person wont get into trouble?

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QUOTE(WanMB @ Mar 28 2017, 06:27 PM)
Why do u want to think the other way? Mufti already praised her action and thats it. Why have to twist to other situation? Whether her action ok or not depends on her religion. You might have different view but thats ur opinion. In this case, her action is right and is a good deed as what the mufti said. U dont have the right to say people are not allowed to say other people's action is right/wrong especially when u dont have the same belief as them. If u see someone do wrong will u keep quiet or will u warn the person not to do it so the person wont get into trouble?
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Because what she's doing is out of her own kindness, nothing to do with religion. But now people want to associate her act with religion. If you want to talk about right to say, then no mufti have right to say about her act because she's not doing it for religion but what her father taught her.
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QUOTE(cedriclee @ Mar 28 2017, 02:12 PM)
I ain't nobody to judge the creation of Allah.

Listen to the word of muftis, then refer back to the word of Allah.

Interpret yourselves whether the word of muftis is relaying the message of Allah from the already perfect Holy Quran.
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OK, time to close.

Good on the girl.

Good on the muftis.

I am happy. You are happy (I hope).

Everyone happy.

Yeh!


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