ask him questions also kenot answer. then in the end he blocked the msgs. so lansi la this guy


[11:42 PM, 1/19/2017] Joe: Hi Arnold ... Responding to your wus re seiko black urushi chrono... I am in Singapore so u kno... Your number isn't right...
[12:07 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Hi mate. I'm in Singapore too.
[12:07 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Staying in hougang
[12:08 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Let me know if you're convenient to meet this Saturday.
[12:08 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: I'm heading back to Malaysia on Sunday, will be back again after cny
[12:09 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Oh ok... Got it.. Saturday in town ok for u? Cash and carry...
[12:11 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Tell you what, I'll view the watch and i'll decide to purchase over cny.
[12:11 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Can't commit now as i haven't seen the watch in person
[12:17 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: I c... It would be better for us to meet when you are ready to deal on e spot.. If the deal doesn't go through due to condition, I understand.. I apologize I don't do viewing then considering ...
Not to be difficult...
[12:19 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: to make the arrangement smoother. I can meet nearer to your location as a compromise.
[12:20 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: I would prefer to ask all questions and view it on the spot. Taking notes then make sure i don't make an impulse purchase decision
[12:21 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: By delaying the purchase. I hope you understand
[12:24 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: I completely understand mate... But your due diligence shouldn't be quite on me... Go to Tong Xia, they may still have a piece... See and view the watch in person.... See if u like it ... Wear it... Determine then if my price is ok for u ... Then come just to see if it's in the mint condition that I stand by...
[12:24 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: And then deal on e spot
[12:25 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: What u would like is a shop/boutique service I'm afraid I can't provide ...
[12:25 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Again ... Sorry mate... Reali not trying to be an a hole here
[12:25 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: OK. Then we'll limit to WhatsApp conversation.
[12:26 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: If u have qns... Feel free ... No prob
[12:27 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Maybe if you don't mind you can share me your purchase experience with Japanese website. And the reason for sale.
[12:30 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: I love the watch... Just don't seem quite like I could bear to wear it... I tried trust me... Put it on an all.... It's a beautiful watch in photos and even more so in person... It came. All condition was good.

Re shipping I was charged a +7% cuz the japs honor the price tag and do not claim lower.. So u paid full and then some...
Go to yahoo auctions where I got it from... Check out the price and all... I got it steep ..

Personally just couldn't wear it...
[12:36 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Why it doesn't fit you? It designed to be worn on Asian wrists. Will you be able to scan a copy of the tax invoice so that i can take a look at the details? Sure you can black out some of the more sensitive details.
[12:37 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: I assume you bought it new. What is the condition now?
[12:37 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: How much wrist time you had it on?
[12:41 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Worn it around the house for trying... That's it.. Like new in box is me being conservative... You can check the leather band if and when u decide u can deal. It's bought new and still is new.

And it's not so much fit physically .. More like a personal mental barrier ... It's too dear to wear daily for me... Some can... Not I ... And so it goes ...
[12:42 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Shipping where the courier came and made me pay for gst et al indicated on the box... That's all gone ...
[12:43 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Payment I made online I can trace for sure .... But I don't think I'll want to or need to show... If buyer feels it's a price he's not willing to pay... Then I'd say don't buy..
[12:48 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: No paperwork on the purchase to be provided? When was this watched purchased? Send me a pic at your free time. With good lighting of course. Ttyt, it's getting late. How should i address you.
[12:54 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Call me Joe.

In any case Arnold. How I do this is simple ....

What u see in the pics is what you get. In person u just need to verify condition is as described and to your satisfaction. If it's not, we don't deal no prob.

If u don't feel comfortable just cuz I don't pull out my online sales logistics for u, or even go so far as to find the product "suspect", then let's not deal. I'm perfectly ok..
[12:54 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: U rest well and have a good cny... Give it some thought and get back to me... Or don't ... It's fine either way mate ... I understand this is u being cautious
[12:55 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: But sometimes some deals in a certain way is not worth the hassle for me... No offense to u ...
[1:02 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Paperwork is important for warranty claims if there are any manufacturer defects. Not having it becomes a problem.
[1:22 AM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Warranty and proof of purchase are 2 diff things... And u seem to want the latter which I won't provide... Also re warrant, it was not sent to me. But the confusing conversation I have with the jap seller was that if anything happens I send it back to him...
So I would say... If u bought it from me... And some shit happens in the coming year... I will say I will cover mechanical defects.. But not cosmetic...
Again, if this is uncomfortable for u ... U kno what I'd say...

Anyway knowing where u r coming from I urge maybe you can try and set out to see if there are shops selling... They will definitely put your mind at ease...
[9:24 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Since there are no paperwork, i assume you are prepared to give out personal warranty as a service. It's not the most ideal method, but will you be giving out your full personal details in exchange?
[9:25 AM, 1/20/2017] Me: Now that i have a better understanding of your package. What is your offer price as a seller?
[4:34 PM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Hi mate... U mean like a I c front and back? I'll give u details to put your mind at ease for sure... But maybe not ic front and back..

Since we deal in Sg... No shipping price. Flat 3650 sgd.

Think about it first... Can get back to me... Thanks
[5:20 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: Please send me pictures of the watch over the weekend. That'll be very helpful thanks. Please make sure that the environment is well lit. Closeups are appreciated.
[5:20 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: Do take a picture of the whole package that is going to be part of the deal, i.e. boxes etc
[5:23 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: If we can meet up tomorrow, we would be able to skip all these hassle and jump straight to the conclusion.
[5:25 PM, 1/20/2017] Joe: Conclusion is when u can decide and pay on the spot... That would be skipping the hassle ... Let's meet up when u r ready... Thanks
[5:28 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: Do you mind sharing some of your more personal information such as facebook account? Of course these are unrelated to the sale itself. Just trying to get comfortable with the dealing.
[5:32 PM, 1/20/2017] Me: Normally I wouldn't want all these details, since it's a sale without much paperwork and relying on your personal warranty. I guess these information then becomes necessary.
[3:53 AM, 1/21/2017] Joe: Sure... Let me know when u r back...
[9:44 AM, 3/15/2017] Me: Hi
[9:45 AM, 3/15/2017] Me: Your urushi chrono is sold?
[11:18 AM, 3/15/2017] Joe: Nope. Just kept.
[11:24 AM, 3/15/2017] Me: Not selling anymore?
[11:24 AM, 3/15/2017] Joe: Not actively selling..
[11:51 AM, 3/15/2017] Me: Is it because it's hard to sell?
[12:11 PM, 3/15/2017] Joe: Hah.. It's cuz I'm not in need of money.. I put it up every now and then..
[12:11 PM, 3/15/2017] Joe: When I have e time to ..
[5:56 PM, 3/15/2017] Me: Has the initial hype of purchasing this urushi dial gotten over or just starting to intensify even more?
[6:28 PM, 3/15/2017] Joe: It is whatever u think it is man... Good luck with your purchases...
[9:32 PM, 3/15/2017] Me: Are your prices staying?
[12:56 AM, 3/16/2017] Joe: Let me know when u r concrete.. Status quo remains
[8:53 PM, 3/22/2017] Me: I saw the urushi sibling
[8:53 PM, 3/22/2017] Me: At KL
[8:54 PM, 3/22/2017] Me: Very nice dial indeed.
[9:10 PM, 3/22/2017] Joe: No contest on the dial... But observe the diff between the chrono and its siblings... The "silver powdered" numbers...
[10:18 PM, 3/22/2017] Me: Yes... Good point... Still looking for a chrono since D-Day...
[12:49 AM, 3/23/2017] Joe: You kno I've never tried once to hard sell u... I always leave it to u to decide... Anyway I just tot I'd inform u I'm nearing a deal to have the watch sold... Probably should happen by end of this week.. Giving U a heads up... And if u interested, I'd still give it to U if u pay before him...
[9:15 AM, 3/23/2017] Me: Congratulations on your sale. What the price you guys agreed on?
[11:02 AM, 3/23/2017] Joe: $3600... Pleasantly surprised He actually came over to deal just. Apparently solid and a Steady buyer... The kind sellers appreciate... Sad it has to go... Hey good luck with your search aight...
[11:05 AM, 3/23/2017] Me: Can I have his contact? Just wanna ask if he's selling it again. Then I might have a chance.
[11:08 AM, 3/23/2017] Joe: Good lord... Sorry mate.. No offense but I wouldn't recommend a "buyer" like u to him... Or to anyone for that matter...
[1:10 PM, 3/23/2017] Me: I have made up my mind. If you can, please share. Thanks.
[1:18 PM, 3/23/2017] Joe: Nah... You will burn bridges at my expense... All I can say is all e best... Don't have to text me for anything anymore aight... U can find your desired watch from another blessed seller... Watch out for Basel 2017 new seiko releases..
[1:39 PM, 3/23/2017] Me: You are a flipper. I know. And you're very elusive, that I know too. No need to use words to belittle me. I know what you're doing.
[5:53 PM, 3/23/2017] Joe: Huh.. Flipper... ?! Something wrong with that...?! Then any man or woman doing business or commerce must be culpable... Goodness... By your standards society is an evil place... Even seiko dealers must be baddies... Cuz they take low and try to sell high... Market vegetable sellers are all sinners.. Wow, how protected at home are u... Anyway if u feel belittled, that is not my intention at all... My main object is really to hope I don't have to see a text from u anymore... If e contents come off as anything else... I apologize... That's that man.. I reali wasted enough breath on u and that's e best I can go...
[7:04 PM, 3/23/2017] Me: Feel free to cross check "be-little" to your previous conversations.

TLDR LAH BODO

u think we got so much free time?

TLDR

seiko again

this guy with his fantasize watch and bmw making thread again.

lul

u browsing /k of coz u got free time lulz

watch is useless

better spend it on apparel/clothing

Seller is so good! Seriously! What more u expect? TS must be snowflake generation.

lol so long.. wtf

hahahahahah

sounds more like ts is a loser.

this

so obvious the guy trying to scam. that's why didnt want to provide any proof

From what i read, you're the arse here. Ask toooooooo many questions. Even unrelated ones. Very annoying

could be a scam
consider yourself lucky for not being a victim of scam

tldr

4k seiko box

if you spending 11k surely you need to make sure everything is in order right?

Joe: I c... It would be better for us to meet when you are ready to deal on e spot.. If the deal doesn't go through due to condition, I understand.. I apologize I don't do viewing then considering ...
Not to be difficult...

-> your next reply should be "lets meet".

I try to read halfway i give up.

Ppl hungry kakak havent sent my irder ur tered tldr pulak 😡😡😡

Ts in sg?


Tipu ker apa

Wah spending 11k like a milllion, conversation start jan n now is late march .....
hahahaha

U should​ search past lowyat threads on what is really "rude seller."

[11:05 AM, 3/23/2017] Me: Can I have his contact? Just wanna ask if he's selling it again. Then I might have a chance.

really WTF, sold adi also ask for buyer contact..

If you are so rich willing to spend 11k, just straight go real shop. Not delaying since January, ask too many questions, when got different buyer already baru want to buy.

Klau i awal2 da block customer mcm u

Based on the conversation, I think the seller thinks u are the con man instead.

OP, you should consider getting help.

If you're this retarded+deluded online, I just cant imagine how you are IRL.

what a beta

Hello Arnold

Notice the phrase "so much"

Quoted just to annoy people after me.... Scroll baby scroll!

the seller is a super nice and good natured guy, im impressed

lol no money to buy from boutique then just wear your RM4k seiko box la

all these grey seller purchases are cheapskates who can't afford to buy luxury watches but still wanna act high keras

tldr didnt know Seiko box cost so expensive

I am more amazed the seller was willing to spend so much time on u.

Buyer wasting time... If i am seller i would just ignore

If I see this kind of annoying shit buyer on carousel I'd just ignore though

seller is veeeery patient

The seller handled it professionally. You were too intrusive and rather than ignoring you, he was patient enough to answer them.

he wants to meet only after confirm want buy lulz

tis is called food for thought

11k is a lot...

rude cb seller detected

Pft food for thought
Nak kena 3 days ke

Tl Dr, TS the one loso ask so much, no intention to buy. Sell to others also butthurt. Ppl flip also butthurt. No money ask for fun only

good god man... I know as buyers we do take precautions even for <RM100..but rude seller is 404 here man..if he was a scammer, that's the most patient scammer I have EVER seen.

bodo

Sohai. If u don't dare take the risk then go shop and pay full price la. Want cheap then wan see first only decide, then people say sold u want the contact somemore. U think who so free?
Stupid buyer. He damn patient with u d.
U no money buy stfu la. Got money no need haggle until so long. Just go shop buy.
Fcking sohai man. Buy seiko 2nd hand as if buying patek like that mcb.

This post has been edited by chickenshit36: Mar 23 2017, 09:20 PM

exactly wei!!!!

the amount of patience he put up with TS.

Wrong move TS, thread backfired

Kesimpulannya

Why cainis with cainis chat england.

ada 11k pigi kedai beli baru la.. buy 2nd hand for wat

Couldn't agree more. Seller kept his cool and was pretty polite.

If ts wants to try before buying, best to go to a shop instead of finding a cheap deal online and expecting sellers to please every request of his.

wow , buyer banyak songeh, seller very patient.. if it were me, blacklist this kind of buyer.. wasting time

TS is a masochist....

This kind of people not buyer la. They are dreamers. Cannot afford but dream of it and just wanna act important.

Mahai even my qualitative survey with local industries not as long as your WhatsApp dialogue

LOL.

i also would not sell to you if i'm the seller.

it so obvious that he didn't force you to buy. you don't agree with seller t&c, then don't buy. but instead you become more annoying to the seller. want cheap price but vip service..

This post has been edited by soultaker: Mar 23 2017, 09:41 PM

Summarylah

Backfire thread...

Btw.. ts bodo+ snowflake
Even seller oso know u r protected like a snowflake

tldr except the last few lines

conclusion: TS still same ol same ol

Wall of text

Ok ts bodo kena con

Kek only u feel u r right..

If u really want to buy.. go and meet him already..
If u like the item, ok then pay already.. if u dont like.. fine, dont buy... he said that already..

Not asking his ic, his fb, his hometown, his grandma story yada...
Considering usually takes at most 1 week.. or at least wait till got salary... this is fucking 3 month..

There is a line between interested buyer n annoying buyer.. u just crossed the line and waste seller time..

Hats off the seller. Sad that he wasted his time on replying an arsehole

I see a patient seller and irritating buyer....

i stop reading at Seiko

Dafuq i kesian the seller. He is so patient already

Go buy at shop la tunaseng. The amount of time took you can swim to Japan factory and get one already.

This post has been edited by Vinci777: Mar 23 2017, 10:25 PM

Didnt read, but based on reply

Ts sohai

BREAKING:

TS stole another forumer conversation..

proof kat sini: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4016757/+1980

TS HAM KA CHAN BETUL!

Dont waste time. Go to shop.

Ts puak pencuri pengsonglap dah

Lel. I just helping permintcuzzi get some honest answer from /ktards

TS has no life.. need to steal other people story..

Sounds like a smooth talker kind of scammer

well..this is not the 1st time he stole something from other forumers..

now u protek permintcuzzi? lulzzzz

curi content lagi

conclusion: TS still same ol same ol

if you cant see it's obviously on purpose then you bodo lulz. why would i post at the watch tered and tag all the people who answered lulz

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4016757/+1980&#entry84228369

still a prick too

conclusion: TS still same ol same ol

Fuc $&

I actually read all. Wtf

+1

hahaha so funny seeing all your replies lulz.

quoted for truth

why do i feel that TS is a loser and dick at the same time @.@?

Spot on mate!

well if retards can plotek ps4 supposed thief. why not this scammer. inkambing 200 pages of worthless stuff

debonairs datang lagi dengan thread imaginasi tingginya

seiko box
galaxy s8
airfryer
pizza

now imagining that he's a high end blue collar worker

by the ID i assume that he's born on 1991. still young already become like this

how you know? i'm over 30 so yeah i'm old

Seriously quite ugly

Oh fuck, I actually read everything. So TS you copy paste from the other thread right?

Sorry to say, that guy is fucking annoying, and the seller already being nice and all that. Still in the end that guy triggered.

lol i would have just block this buyer, darn annoying.

lolx someone spotted he curi thread orang lain

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4232274

Both buyer and seller are annoying, bias to the seller being more annoying.