Apa cerita?

For me, should get awacs first to improve current fleet detection and communication effectiveness. Woulx be better if both platform can be combine with MPA making it a duall usage platform with funding from both RMAF and RMN

Then only new figther to further improved combat effectiveness

Transport need is already address by our fleet of c130 and a400.

If u can get more lead spray in the air without tedious reload progress.

Why not

If it look stupid but work, it not stupid

[quote=sdin3269,Apr 20 2017, 04:26 AM]
Still stupid weapon for combat arm, first u dont need 150 rounds in 1 mag, even 1000 rounds per minute burst in the air but not accurate what for?

a. Weapon to heavy
b. Magazine too bulky, cumbersome. not easy to handle if stoppages.
b. Spare magazine? Too bulky if there are. Bear in mind that
[quote=sdin3269,Apr 20 2017, 09:14 AM]
ou dont shoot 150 rounds in a single rounds or shot duration unless you have a bullet store behind you. That 150 rounds is your only rounds issued. and it is useless as it is not accurate and wastage. When you are in combat perhaps in th range of 50-250m a rapid fire is the best. (Using small arm). In close combat that weapon is too heavy and perhaps a short barrel and lighter weapon is much better. This magazine definitely have more jammed issues.

This is a copy of the obselete russian assault riffle BTW this weapon is only use by the Gila NK presidential guard. who can argue with him lol

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U do know that the china troop push back the coalition during the korea way by just the sheer number of army and bullets being fired at all conners. There even incident where an armoured division collum was pushed back due to number of bullet round they are receiving making troop disembarking impossible and fatal.

Victory by volume still applicable in today warfare.

And north korea have plenty of human resource just to do that.
The mindset of surgical warfare is still not in their war book.

8Cockerill 105mm turret?

If i want a similar system, i would rather go with fnss-pindad mordern medium weight tanks..

At least it gone beyond tank on paper concept and now in prototype stage.

Pindad should join in and propose their version. It very much similar to MPF proposal.

no news worthy news to post

1) AWACS - tak ada
2) MRCA - tak ada
3) MPA - limbo ada ke tak ada
4) LMS - overpriced with that kind of suite
5) MRSS - unlikely
6) Additional Tank - Impossible
7) Medium Range SAM - tak ada

AV8 delayed i heard was due to the CKD kit fron FNSS delays. Given how turkey is having problem now. It no surprise. But i really interested with the FNSS-PT medium tank, look polished and if suitable for indo, it should also be easy for us as well

alot of country even US is looking back for medium tank support role with the 105mm or 120mm even

Gowind - same as the kit issue as well. Should have opt for compelete french built

oh before we forget

11) SPG 155MM cancelled or on hold.. (I think the m109 sudah cancelled)

With 3, it already one up above scorpene

but we have the advantage of operating longer in SCS

hard to say for sure, with a sub, you can always wonder into SCS without even informing the said country.. if you wanted to at least

Plus, can always pull the freedom of navigation card if ever got caught

Lecrac should be the one having more technology edge

Or could it be they instead run away with a white flag

In term of technology, leclerc hold the edge but then again compared UAE variant, the ori lack behind in sensor suit but again compareable to given competition

Well UAE deployed the leclerc to yemen and it was reported they are very satisfied even though some tank suffered damages from anti tank rounds and IED but are not lost.

As compared to the saudi M1A2 and turks Leo 2A4..

There even rumour that even the saudi are interested in the leclerc. Even though to be taken with a pinch of salts, but it fight along the saudi so field comparison can made

This post has been edited by thpace: May 14 2017, 03:59 PM

Sorry... lupa the turk leo tat blown up is actually at syria instead of yemen.

Probally lack of era in development and deployment. This section is where rusian is ahead with various generation of era brick instead of adding thicker denser metal plates

kmw have their own version of era for leo though it was said that it still need some works on it compared to the already production erawa blocks.

It was also said that the poles was also less than impressed on the leo era than their own which was already tested again the 125mm main gun of the east.

it probably the old prototype 140mm gun by Rheimetal NPz K-140. It claimed, there a 6 prototypes gun and test munition ever produced. Coincidentally, France it also one of the said partnership

Or it could be the swiss experimental 140mm gun.

Though i would say that rather short 140mm gun compared to the current 120mm

that why u have a ballistic computer and laser range finder on modern tank..

Even upgraded T72 now can shoot a moving target while driving. Tak kan western tanks cant do that.

BTW bigger gun just mean better penetration and not longer ranger. Normalized tank to tank engagement more often does exceed 3km away

For russian, anything beyond 2~3km range, they will switched to guided missiles fired from their tank barrels. For western, might as well call in air support if i have to fire that far

i didnt say it was perfect

Dcns competitor.

it would put into wonder why we even opt for the eastern block tanks like the PT91M instead of western like those of leopards, M1 or even leclerc given how we are good french purchaser

Even the leopard work well enough in indon infamous swamps and mud field, while M1 derivatives Korea K1 works for korea mountainous terrains. The leclerc for example have also been tropicalised like those for UAE with air-cond and APU. Other way includes eastern but western derivatives tanks like the Korea K2 and Japan Type 10

Pretty much to answer my own question, i strongly believe cost would have the main deciding factor instead of technological factors. Then again why not the T90 which also undergoes the same trial in malaysia

It been used in India with plenty of spares without much russian support and we also have working relationship with india