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post Mar 25 2017, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 25 2017, 02:52 PM)
Yes they can. But why setup a company that will lost money. Imagine that your are running a service centre can you survive if you only repair one product and the product servicing follow planned time. You need to pay high salary for workers who will not do anyrhing at some time. And the amount of spares you need to keep. That the reason all TLDM will be going to BNS or may be Destini. Its to keep malaysian working.
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they also service the civilian sector as they know they would go kaput if they oni service the military sector
boustead got another shipyard in penang for the civilian sector and destini is buildings OnG sector vessels well b4 they got mmea contract
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Mar 25 2017, 02:59 PM)
i agree with this statement,but your suggestion for 4 squadron of new fighter is impossibles. thats around 60 to 70 fighters..we simply cannot afford that.  biggrin.gif

with limited budget,we just need to be creative.for eg:

- instead of twin engine,we can opt for single engine.( i know tudm prefers twin engine).acquisition and running cost is cheaper
- instead of two-seater jet, we can opt for single seater.we can reduce the number of pilot/wso.
- instead of new jet, why not opted for 2nd hand jet
- instead of fighter jet, why not acquire medium to long range sam such as hq-9  or s300.....a2/ad strategy...running cost probably lower than a squadron of fighter jet..

Personally, i would prefer we acquire mpa and aew&c first,before new fighter...but, if Mig's replacement is a must, just go with Kuwaitis' hornet.No need to create a new footprint for logistic.We can train the crew and pilot our self...
/just my 2 cents opinion
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You forget we need to cover sabah and sarawak as well.
Medium to long range SAM is expensive and you need lots of them to cover malaysia.
Jet is much cheaper option and flexible strategic as you can use it to attack and defence.
Tudm have preferences over two engine jets as they have better combat radius as to single engine jets.
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post Mar 25 2017, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 25 2017, 03:08 PM)
Don't get me wrong Singapore way is always a tripartite way. Where the Armed force will say what they want may it be the airforce, navy and the Army. The government will let DSO and DSTA research on the best with feedback form the armed force and together with ST work out the best solution. It in ST website, you can check it. With this ST will get project going and this Singapore got work, not just singaporean as some are malaysian worker too. If cannot be done locally get from oversea like the new LMVs. Malaysia on the  other hand will let the market decide even with TOT. But done get your government wrong, even with TOT is expensive but there will be many malaysian with work. Thats why you Navy Chief is smart with the 15 to 5 class . it a win win situatuation politically and financially in the long run.
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speaking ToT and offset,

Saab's partner for Mig replacement program is Deftech, which is a sister company of CTRM ( company that makes aerospace composite component)...
both deftech and ctrm are wholly owned by drb-hicom...

so dont count out Gripen yet... they got a big cable. tongue.gif
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post Mar 25 2017, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 25 2017, 03:19 PM)
You forget we need to cover sabah and sarawak as well.
Medium to long range SAM is expensive and you need lots of them to cover malaysia.
Jet is much cheaper option and flexible strategic as you can use it to attack and defence.
Tudm have preferences over two engine jets as they have better combat radius as to single engine jets.
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Yes true fighter are flexible and using SAM there going to be radar gap.
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post Mar 25 2017, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 25 2017, 03:15 PM)
they also service the civilian sector as they know they would go kaput if they oni service the military sector
boustead got another shipyard in penang for the civilian sector and destini is buildings OnG sector vessels well b4 they got mmea contract
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The problem come not with the civilian side of boustead but the. Naval shipyard in Lumut as they need project to keep running.
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post Mar 25 2017, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 25 2017, 05:08 PM)
Don't get me wrong Singapore way is always a tripartite way. Where the Armed force will say what they want may it be the airforce, navy and the Army. The government will let DSO and DSTA research on the best with feedback form the armed force and together with ST work out the best solution. It in ST website, you can check it. With this ST will get project going and this Singapore got work, not just singaporean as some are malaysian worker too. If cannot be done locally get from oversea like the new LMVs. Malaysia on the  other hand will let the market decide even with TOT. But done get your government wrong, even with TOT is expensive but there will be many malaysian with work. Thats why you Navy Chief is smart with the 15 to 5 class . it a win win situatuation politically and financially in the long run.
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not everyone can afford a DSO or DSTA... they have thousands of brainy nerds and geeks with phds there... and funding them doesnt all come from mindef.. that's why singkie's military industrial complex is so strong...
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Philippine troops rescue ship captain kidnapped by militants

MANILA: Philippine soldiers on Saturday rescued one of two Filipino cargo ship crewmen taken captive just two days ago by suspected Abu Sayyaf militants, a security official said.

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The troops recovered Aurelio Agacac, the ship captain, in the remote village of Basakan in the southern Philippine province of Basilan, said Colonel Juvymax Uy, commander of the military’s 104th Brigade and Joint Task Force Basilan.

The kidnappers took Agacac and his companion Laurencio Tiro captive from a cargo ship off Basilan on Thursday, only hours after soldiers rescued two Malaysians held for about eight months on a southern island.

Uy said the abductors were forced to abandon Agacac to delay the pursuing troops and evade a firefight.

"The victim looked alright," he told reporters.

Uy said the soldiers had also captured a wounded suspect during the pursuit who died while being transported to the hospital in Basilan.

Uy did not confirm that the kidnappers were Abu Sayyaf members.

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Abu Sayyaf, a small but violent Islamist group known for kidnappings, beheadings, bombings and extortion, is still holding a number of Filipino and foreign nationals captive, including some Indonesians and Malaysians.

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has threatened to impose martial law in the south, home to the majority of Filipino Muslims, to address the security problem there.

(Reporting by Enrico dela Cruz; Editing by Christian Schmollinger)

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 25 2017, 03:39 PM)
The problem come not with the civilian side of boustead but the. Naval shipyard in Lumut as they need project to keep running.
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actually their shipyard in lumut also can service civilian customer if there is a demand
they can also service civilian ships its not like tldm have a monopoly on their service

a superyacht being serviced at lumut shipyard
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 25 2017, 03:54 PM)
actually their shipyard in lumut also can service civilian customer if there is a demand
they can also service civilian ships its not like tldm have a monopoly on their service

a superyacht being serviced at lumut shipyard
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post Mar 25 2017, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 25 2017, 04:00 PM)
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post Mar 25 2017, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 25 2017, 06:04 PM)
You still serving?
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 25 2017, 03:19 PM)
You forget we need to cover sabah and sarawak as well.
Medium to long range SAM is expensive and you need lots of them to cover malaysia.
Jet is much cheaper option and flexible strategic as you can use it to attack and defence.
Tudm have preferences over two engine jets as they have better combat radius as to single engine jets.
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is mig29 have a better combat radius than f16 or gripen(without external tank)?
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Mar 25 2017, 04:26 PM)
is mig29 have a better combat radius than f16 or gripen(without external tank)?
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Yes. Mig 29 have better combat radius.
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post Mar 25 2017, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 25 2017, 04:23 PM)
till 50yo  sweat.gif take ME scheme till 60  bangwall.gif
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Mar 25 2017, 04:26 PM)
is mig29 have a better combat radius than f16 or gripen(without external tank)?
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Radius of Msian Mig29 = 500 to 1300 km?
Radius of Msian F16 and Gripen = 0
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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 25 2017, 12:11 PM)
True. Their only consent is any naval force briching Australia defence. Thats the reason they collaborate with australia and work together on the Anzac frigate.
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NZ and Aust have no choice but to depend on each other to cover their corner of the world, despite whatever their more pro-independent politikus like to think
QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 25 2017, 01:33 PM)
Technical the hawk 208 was suppose to be front line figbter back then. But with new multirole aircraft its use is obsolete. Any aircraft is good to be use in Sabah and Sarawak. Even in the Lahad Datu incident the F/A18 joint in the operation. What Sarawak/Sabah airspace lag is a fast multirole fighter to do interception. The TUDM learnt the hardway with MiG29 doing interception duties. To me they should sell the mig. Get Typhoon. 18 plane of tranche 3 and get tranche 2 from Saudi if they want to sell them upgrade to tranche 3. Place one squadron in East malaysia and one in West malaysia. Get another squadron of MKM and place in East. Get second hand FA18 from kuwait or get 16 fA18E/F split them into 2, so you good a good balance. Next trainer scrap the mb339 and hawk and get m346. For turbo prop trainer pc7mk 2 is ok.
Why this mix? Easy one scantion/embargo. Two, at any point of time if and aircraft is grounded another can fly. 3. Each aircraft got it pro and con so. Use the best for a mission. For save fuel from flying from east to west and vic versa.
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>4 squadrons of fast jets
>Replace entire LIFT/2nd line fleet
Why not another T80U armour regiment and some KDX Aegis destroyers while you're at it rolleyes.gif

Hawk 208 with AAMs have been suggested to help cover UK QRA requirement, but its true that RAF opted to bring back 2 squadron of Typhoon T1 instead - best choice really. For us, Hawk 208 is currently quite useful for potential Pinoy-hunting, whether its Suluks or MILFs.

QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 25 2017, 02:19 PM)
Mkm is doing fine.
Having russian jet biggest worries is about getting those spare parts but it seem likes malaysia is doing well solving these issues.
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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 25 2017, 06:36 PM)
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Friday, March 24, 2017
French to upgrade Rafale's to F4 standard. Payloads with a decent platform?


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During the March 20 meeting of the Ministerial Investment Committee, Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian decided to authorize the launch of initial development of the new F4 standard for the Rafale combat aircraft.

This standard, integrating experience and feedback from combat operations, should contribute to strengthen the Rafale's capabilities to operate alone or as part of a coalition. New developments will include improvements to network working methods, sensor developments and their integration.

The F4 standard will also take into account the expected evolutions of missiles, of the power plant and the integration of new capabilities. The first aircraft fully equipped to this new standard should be commissioned by 2025, but certain functionalities will be available as early as 2023.

This new standard is part of the continuing evolution of the aircraft which will progressively constitute the entire French manned combat aircraft fleet.

The launch of a future tranche of Rafale aircraft will be decided by the next LPM multi-year program law to meet the requirements of the Air Force.
Interesting.

New engines, new networking methods, new sensors and the evolution of power plants.

Are we seeing a variation of the US Navy's "payloads over platforms" meme? Could we say that the French have adopted "payloads with a decent platform"? If so, then I say brilliant. We're seeing the same with Super Hornet and I think that is the most practical and cost effective approach.

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http://www.snafu-solomon.com/2017/03/frenc...-to-f4.html?m=1

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