Going through many articles, many seem to say mirrorless gonna be the future bla bla.
But going through the forum here i noticed many ppl still stick to dslr, many still looking at new dslr in fact.
Wonder for professionals like u all is it because you all still prefer dslr? For newcomers is it better to get into dslr or mirrorless now. Mirrorless price seems to be on the high side

Like you said, now mirror-less more pricey, selection of lenses not that much.

SO, u buy camera to use now or to be used in the future?

This post has been edited by kiasu6: Mar 16 2017, 04:10 PM

Personally I moved to a mirrorless camera from a semi pro DSLR due to the weight and size. Previously with the DSLR, I did a few wedding assignments but stopped for a few years. As I am just a hobbyist, I moved to the mirrorless system due to the lighter weight and size..

I mainly shoot landscapes/travel and some portraits

We can easily get cheap manual lenses to be used on mirrorless cameras. With focus peaking and focus magnification, manual focusing is much easier than before..

Horses for courses, mirrorless is attractive to those who do frequent travelling, or only take pictures during travel, and are fed up with carrying a DSLR with its heavy lenses for the whole trip. Though there are some pretty light primes as well in the DSLR ecosystem.

DSLR gets the job done. Some people prefer the "feel" of mirrorless as it encourages them to shoot more.

In Malaysia, it feels like a lot of people still have this bigger is better kind of mentality, they see you using a big DSLR with those big white zoom lens, they think you pro or picture must be good because of your gear.

Price wise since DSLR has more used options, used lenses and bodies are cheaper than mirrorless equivalent. Comparing new prices, a new XT2 + 56 1.2 is around that same price as a new D750 + 84 1.4g?

of course you can.

i have a mirrorless and a dslr as well.

but i tend to use more dslr despite the size and weight. why?
for me, i enjoy a wide choices of accessories and lens selection now.

besides, if you landscapes and portraits, maybe you have the time to compose and patiently focus on your subject.
(and traveling, yes size and weight is something to think of)

if you're taking action, wildlife, sports, events. you really do not have the luxury of worrying about your focus.

thats just me and TS kkk8787, you got to mention what you gonna use most about your camera.

going into stressful period of my life, so i was playing with some1's old dslr and gosh i like the fact of playing around with the settings and such. I'm upgrading from point n shoot n phone cam which cant change anything. I need to have control over whataver i shoot . Was looking at d5600 , but just afraid in the future when excitement is gone i wont bring it anywhere. And also sone1 said dslr is actually a near obsolete stuff.
But looking at mirrorless seems i cant find any new ones from canon or sony which is around 2 to 3k plus.
M3 and a6000 so many years d the price seem to increase instead of reduce

seriously???

who told u near obsolete?? companies still launching new lenses for DSLR...

so many new dslr models still launching as of 2016....

who told u obsolete???

photography is an expensive hobby.
you better think twice and don just hangat hangat tahi ayam.

yupe i scared also thats y took so long to decide.
Ya sorry if i offended anyone. But i got it through forums and such.

yeah.. i understand also.. but i really don think dslr is anyway near obsolete yet.

when i first hold a D90, i never look back.

so now u can try look see some beginners dslr but dont rush. find if you really have the passion or not.

Both are good. so decide ur self what do u expect from ur camera.
For me, using dslr for serious photoshoots and mirrorless for jalan2/travel.
but will use mirrorless for serious photo-shoots in the future.. pelan-pelan laa!

This post has been edited by OOtaii: Mar 16 2017, 08:04 PM

My camera history is like ... EP1, x100, D7000, A7, XE2. Doing mostly street, landscape, portrait.

Mirrorless is fully capable of taking serious shots as well, bear in mind. Alot of people are doing weddings with only mirrorless.

A6000 despite being old, still have one really good sensor.

If your use doesn't involve wildlife, sports. go for mirrorless, you won't regret.

Anyway, since you're still new, any camera made within this 10 years will all still be good enough.

Did u just read my mind ?

Well, I don't frequent travel to other places, but due to the nature of my work, I have to travel to most part of the town I'm in. I like the fact that I can always carry my small mirrorless in my bag and take it out to shoot nice flowers(with Raynox DCR macro lens adapted), beautiful sunsets, scenery, people that cross my path with my tiny kit lens that doesn't draw much attention. I did that with a dslr (nikon d7000) before, and it just too big and heavy in my bag, not to mention the attention I was getting from using it.

It's true that people feel bigger is always better, even my Aussie friend felt the same, so not only malaysian folks.

XT2......aiyoo....fuji's parang is very sharp no doubt image quality is top notch. For Apsc mirrorless, I think sony is the best compromise between price/performance. Just my opinion though...

This post has been edited by Loseeker: Mar 16 2017, 11:52 PM

I read somewhere if the camera is using the same sensor the lens of it shall be almost the same size right?
but how come mirrorless's lens seem shorter
example a6000 is using APS-C, but the kit lens seem shorter than Nikon's DSLR

Sensor size has nothing to do with size of lens.

Actually it does. FF sensor tends to have bigger lens cause it needs to produce larger circle of light to cover the sensor. Though on regards to why nikon kit lens is bigger than sony (or any other mirrorless for that matter) despite same sensor size, has got to do with how the lens is designed rather than sensor size. Sony's kit lens is designed with electronic zoom that resets itself everytime the camera is turned off whereas nikon's kit lens have a manual zoom with extended barrel that does not reset. If you look at sony's old 18-55 kit with manual zoom, it's actually also pretty big. Smaller mounting flange may have to do with why most mirrorless lens are small (or slightly smaller) than dslrs, but I haven't seen any discussion on that yet.

Distance between mounting point to sensor does affect the lens design.

That really is up for debate because sony's mirrorless lens size is not that much different from dslr. But again, just my opinion.

This post has been edited by DaddyO: Mar 18 2017, 05:37 PM

Don't know, don't care. I haven't bought any lens due to size. To me the 'purpose' of the lens outweighs anything.

Ideally i would have 1 DSLR for serious works, and 1 mirrorless for travel

I sold off my nikon kit years ago because it's too impractical for travel, which is the majority of what i shoot anyway. how using mirrorless and happy with it. but of course i miss a few things:

- battery life.. for sure need 1 or 2 extra batteries even shooting just for fun
- start-up time. mirrorless will have a few seconds delay compared to DSLR which turn on instantly
- expen$ive. sony lenses generally are on the high side. Also, less used lenses in the market

it's true that once you put on any other lens apart from the kits, the size advantage is minimal. but i really like the flexibility. if i just feel like taking photos for fun, i can slap on the 16-50 and dont really think about it. it's still a major difference compared to any DSLR with a 18-55

This post has been edited by dvlzplayground: Mar 19 2017, 07:58 AM

what about the feel ahaha...what mirrorless u r using anyway.
Dslr looks cooler n i like the way it feels in hand n the click sound but ya la, I think it its too heavy for me i might be lazy to bring out.
The kit lens is indeed smaller than dslr kan

This post has been edited by kkk8787: Mar 19 2017, 08:30 AM

i saw this. Actually to me the body difference between mirrorless and dslr i dun really mind. But the lens, the a6000 plus kit lens same size as whole d5600. I think d5600 kit lens still few times of a6000 right


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If say u are just going out for a dim sum near your house with family, wont dslr be a bit overkill if u just wanna snap snap

how the control. Coz dslr u wanna change apaerture wanna change stuff just a few twist on the top feels natural. I dunno mirrorless does it feel natural ?

Even phone camera is overkill in my opinion. Just enjoy the dimsum and gathering than worry about how delicious your food look on instagram.

photos of family eating dim sum wo not the food.

im using sony a6000 the kit lens extends just a bit after the grip. not the sharpest lens but decent enough, with OSS too.

haha its true DSLR feels better in the hand.

ya its like grabbing a bigger...erm...ya size does matter.
Anyway u mean a6000 kit lens will lose to say nikon kit lens? Hows the noise. As noisy as a nornal dslr shutter sound or quieter? Cannot be stealth when taking photo also right.

From someone who started off with mirrorless back in 2008!

I went from Olympus EPL3 > Canon D100 > Panasonic GX1 > Nikon D5300 > Sony A600 > Olympus EP5..

let me tell you the mistakes i make:
1) selling off my EPL3 is a mistake it doesn't differ much to D100
2) buying D100 with 40mm f2.8 is a mistake should have just get a better prime for EPL3.
3) Selling off my GX1 with 25mm f1.8 is the biggest mistake! that's the best range i like, the picture appear to be crisp and clear. color rendered isn't too bad too for the old body.
4) moving to nikon with 35mm f1.8 G.. nothing to complain about but sold it after my trip cause it's heavy. could have lugged around with it for a little longer.
5) Sony A6000 with 50mm f1.8 and sigma 30mm f2.8 that's another great setup! if it wasn't because of a deal for EP5 i would not have sell the whole system. Should i keep longer? maybe i should but Sony's price went up earlier and i sold them for a small fraction of lost

a6000 is 2.4k now . How much u bought back then

I bought it for RM1815 with E PZ 16-50kit, 1 extra battery (total 2) and a Original Sony 16gig Memory card. It was in March 2016, the price was RM2057 before 12% maybank card promotion on lazada birthday sale. Since my price is cheaper than those with kits, I considered my kits was FOC.

oh my god...that was cheap..like dirt cheap. now this same set with all these gifts will be 2.4k and above

Until now still haven't decide?

Why don't you just go and rent/borrow a friends dslr or mirrorless for a weekend and decide? Judging by the replies you give, you yourself don't even know what you want.

Myself just stick with smartphone camera lah settle. Most easy to use and beginner friendly.

double post

This post has been edited by sp6068: Mar 19 2017, 05:21 PM

I pinjam 1 DSLR for months d, playing with it. nice to be able to change everything with a dial, nice to be able to do manual focusing of the lens. but not sure I will bring it everywhere or not eventually.
Mirrorless I also wish some1 can pinjam me, but none

Then you are left with either renting one for a day or or going to camera shop to test display unit kao kao.

U can also manual focus with mirrorless just that SOP is different from DSLR depending on its lens used. I believe most of the folks here already gave you sufficient info on both types of camera's and its advantage.

Don't get distracted with all the in-depth technical details i.e sensor size, since you mentioned you're only a newcomer. Ask yourself what you NEED rathar than what you WANT.

This post has been edited by sp6068: Mar 19 2017, 05:38 PM

hey thanks bro. what I need is probably a mirrorless only. But I think I got attracted by the D5600 free 70-300 lens promotion. feels like getting something on the cheap. sorry if I irritated you

Lol what irritate me. I'm just trying to help

cant forget who was it, got irritated by me for asking. I din mean it.
To be honest Im now working in a small town in Sabah, u cant find any of it here.thats y I cant test both. If Im in KL, I can make the decision within 1 day haha

This post has been edited by kkk8787: Mar 19 2017, 05:46 PM

Shipping!

Yes its risky for such an impulse buy, but the only choice to get it over to Sabah. Unless you got any friend/family who travel from KL>Sabah often.

I originated from Klang Valley actually. Gosh the Sabahans here really suffer for things like these. The only way they can buy is go to the shops here and book it, then they will ship all the way from Peninsular. No testing nth. We have it easy in KL

I would say, just go to the nearest city KK and do the testing there. Pretty sure they have camera shops there too. Even though it is more expensive than KL, unless you plan to make a trip to KL, might as well just buy it and save the hassle.

ya need to fly over to kk when I'm free

rm2090. hahaha sold at rm1900

Wanted to ask ,

If im looking for camera which is able to do video recording

1080p in 60fps . My budget between 1500 for used unit .

if my mind, had few choices .

1-Sony A6000 used with 16-50mm lens

2-Sony A5000 Kit 16-50mm f3.5-5.6 OSS

3-Canon PowerShot G7X Mark II Nice Camera

4-Canon EOS M Camera with kit EF-M 22mm STM lens

5-Canon PowerShot G9X Mark II Nice Camera

all of these is used and below 2k .

Or any DSLR to recommend instead of going mirrorless?

Do consider the possibility of adding external mic, of which the A6000 an A5000 doesn't support. Not sure about the rest.

thanks for input ,

how about DSLR ?

actually is depends on the set itself to capture the video or the lens itself can make adjustment there?

cause mostly I saw ppl make recording, also using dslr, but I dunno which I should start off

Are you planning of doing it professionally or just amateur tembak and record only? If you're planning on going pro, would be more preferable to get a DSLR for video shooting.

Of Courses will go for professionally if my level can go beyond that, but Used Unit Dslr , any model that can be short listed ? Currently having YouTube video production courses , might be further my skills with videography if possible .

With your limited budget you cant get any DSLR that can record full hd @60fps. At most only @ 30fps.

Used 600D - RM1XX - 9XX
Used 60D - RM15XX

http://kldslr.com/Used-List

This post has been edited by sp6068: Mar 20 2017, 08:08 PM

so for time being, which model can go for 1080p 60fps?

or i go for mirrorless?

http://www.mudah.my/Canon+EOS+60D+EFS+18+5...ew-52731883.htm

http://www.mudah.my/Canon+60D+kit+lens-52125348.htm



This post has been edited by kasey1314: Mar 20 2017, 08:34 PM

80D.

60D is still at 30fps. Google yourself the specs. Mirrorless, you're stuck with just the camera and lens. Not many add-ons you can attach to the camera. i.e external mic.

This post has been edited by sp6068: Mar 20 2017, 08:48 PM

mirrorless to me is not very durable. The sensor on all the time to capture image into EVF.

DSLR sensor only switch on when you take photo or live view.

that matters ?

DSLR has mic input.

For mirrorless, you'll have to go something like A6300 to have mic input, not sure about the A7 series.

Many pros are using Sony A7 mirrorless for videos.

DSLR or mirrorless, they both work fine for videos.

To me the main difference is that mirrorless tends to need many batteries to be accompanied with the unit.

Mahal. They willing to blow RM5k+ for it.

A7 body alone is more expensive than the 80D Kit. 2nd hand unit also RM3.2K already.
Plus Sony's original accessory/lens not exactly cheap either. Some more with Ringgit depreciation now.

And agree with the battery issue. Personally used A6000 to shoot a 17min video, half of the battery already gone.

This post has been edited by sp6068: Mar 20 2017, 09:47 PM

Wah so bad? LOL my D750 is like wth battery y u last so long wan? LOL.

Go out projects photo shoot already come back still can use for video until I'm happy.

.......aren't most mirrorless cameras like sony a6xxx able to plug external power bank for longer recording compared with dslr that (the ones i know of) dont do that at all.

Yes.

And to add on, all Sony dslt and mirrorless is already 1080p 60fps since eons ago.

This post has been edited by lwliam: Mar 21 2017, 02:03 PM

Thanks for input , now I got two offer

Canon 700D with 18-55 @ Rm 1200
Go Pro Hero 5 @ Rm 1500

GoPro hero 5 @ RM1500 new?
That's a good deal, got mine at retail price during their promo free 3-way pole.

But GoPro is more for action/selfie/hands-off kind of video. I'd go for mirrorless or DSLR for proper video recording.

GoPro more suitable as a C-cam, I wouldn't even use it for B-cam unless there's absolutely no other choice.

Ya . I think will downgrade to make video of 720p 60fps

No choice , train my skills 1st

Ya , B - Cam ? C segment B segment like car ? Sorry for my noobies question

Which shop is selling for rm1500 btw?

If Sony A6000 u dun wanna use native lens, use Canon lens via adapters, is it as good as native lenses

Is used unit . still under 9 month funzsport warranty . for the GoPro Hero 5

I sold off my Canon s100 few years back. Many are still using DSLR though. If I am to choose, probably will go for beginner's DSLR setup.

DSLR can last longer than mirrorless camera.
But nowadays everyone has prefer on mirrorless camera , even for myself now

>Mirrorless
>pricy
>low lens selection

Lol. Unless you're shooting sports or using a full frame, mirrorless trumps all of these in spades.

A Panasonic G85 that shoots 4k video and has Dual IS only costs RM 3.5k
A 100-400mm (200-800mm in FF) PanaLeica lens only costs 6k. A PanaLeica 25mm 1.4 (50mm in FF) only costs ~RM2.5k

Panasonic and Olympus lenses are interchangeable with both brands' bodies. How are they inferior to APSC DSLR again?

No worries, nowadays got lens mount converters

Most olympus/ panasonic lenses are so much more expensive compared to the nikon/ canon equivalent. and how is a 50mm f1.4 equivalent lens "only" costs rm2.5k?

dslrs are still unbeatable in terms of lens prices and availability, especially when it comes to 3rd party lenses.

Yeah. That is the one thing i dont get m43 and why i shun it. For the smaller sensor, the lens construction would have been much smaller thus cheaper, yet their pricing almost the same or even more expensive than any other apsc and dslr lenses.

im currently using d5300 with 18-55 kit lens. video recording wise very nice already, shoots at 60fps 1080p. TS, i recommend this. just get yongnua 35mm f 2.0 lens (China brand).All for rm3k
settle d for video and photo




This post has been edited by JustNoeL: May 15 2017, 03:14 PM

if you think the D5300 then the canon will produce better quality. in fact the EP5 may produce better result as well. yongnua 35mm f2.0 won't it be too noisy for your videos? to top off the bookeh of the 35mm is a little soft and the bookeh balls aren't good as well.

a6000? definitely better haha.. but d5300 and ep5, ill choose d5300 because of 1080p @ 60fps because of the video i shoot requires 60fps, and ep5 only at 30fps

A6000 can't even support external mic audio input. Meh.

Low light and DOF --> DSLR > small sensor

true also, d5300 can.

hahahaaaaa...u must be joking.

d5300.

you realize with the lens option and the body chosen you have lost the most important aspect for video recording.. and that's image stabilization.. the lens and the body will not cut..

Nop i'm not.. If it's a Canon it's a different story but with a nikon and a yongnuo? that's a bad choice for video.. most likely the end result from walking around and sweating will turn the video to be as choppy as hell.

Get VR lens and gimbal if possible.

body alone...d5300 is good for video.

well.. that's why i say my EP5 alone if compared to D5300 it will produce better quality video's. Also A6k not suitable for video as well. forget about using A6k for video.