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Im slowly growing into the idea of portability now. D5600 seems nice to play with. But I do not know half a year , 1 year down the road will I still hold in and bring it everywhere. It just seems like a bit overkill to bring it everywhere right.
Seems A6000 is a good choice to start with since its cheap? Its not really new, will it be a bit out within few years time?
Some friends recommended me canon mirrorless. she is using M3, so naturally asked me to look at M5, M5 seems overpriced for me. M3 seems similarly priced to A6000
She said canon u can even use canon DSLR lenses on it. dunno how true

This post has been edited by kkk8787: Mar 14 2017, 09:28 PM

If you worried about limited lens selection of Sony mirrorless, then canon mirrorless has even fewer lens. Native EF-M lenses are less than 20 if I'm not mistaken. As for Sony side, there are more than 40 (Full Frame + Apsc) E mount lenses just based on what shashinki is offering. Unless you're professional, seriously, how many lenses you will buy for a hobby ? Most of my friends got 18-55 and 55-200 and that's it. And after few months, they let their camera and lenses sit in their home to collect dust.

If you going to get a a6000/6300/6500, coupled it with a 18-105 (very useful range) and a 35mm f1.8 (for low light/night shooting without flash) you will have most of your bases covered. As for 70-300 that came with the d5600, as many has mentioned, it's too long for general walk around. That range is good to shoot birds/wildlife though.

It is true that Canon mirrorless can adapter their dslr lenses, but Sony mirrorless can do the same, even more selection. But let face the fact, adapting lenses only works if you have many dslr lenses to begin with. So, Canon mirrorless work best (the way I see it) for video blogger who are happy with the kit lens and wanting the dual CMOS AF. Or for those who already owned many canon dslr lenses but wanted to adapt them to a smaller body. If you don't already have many canon dslr lenses, buying a M3/M5 so that u can adapt the dslr lenses really defeat the purpose of having a portable camera the way I see. it. On top of that, I'm sure many will agree with me that no adapted lenses will work better than the native. Again, just my 0.02 cents.

This post has been edited by Loseeker: Mar 15 2017, 12:16 AM

Sony mirrorless with the kit lens and 55-210mm is a very good combo already. Even the kit lens can achieve a bit of wide-angle FOV. Unless you lazy to swtich between lens there's a 18-200m available. But that sniper alone cost more than the camera

In terms of lens, Sony's lens ain't exactly cheap. Plus with the limited option choice makes it another disadvantage. Its like they don't want you to buy their lens

http://www.sony.com.my/electronics/lenses/...ramount=e-mount
(APS-C only has 15 lens according to Sony's site. FF gets you the 38 variety)

This post has been edited by sp6068: Mar 15 2017, 12:37 AM

I agreed. And they are quite affordable.

True, many sony lens are not cheap. But there are good and affordable one. I find that there are always cheaper alternative. Example

UWA
Sony E 10-18 can be replaced by Samyang 12mm F2.0

Standard zoom
Sony Zeiss 16-70 can be replaced by Sony PZ 18-105

Standard prime
Sony E 35mm f1.8 or Sigma 30mm F1.4 DC DN ( both are very affordable)

short telephoto/ portrait lens
Sony E 50mm f1.8. (cheapest among all the lenses mentioned here not including kit lens)

While many don't like the idea of using FF lenses on apsc, I see it as the vista to upgrade to the FF in the future. So, I always welcome the idea of using FF lenses on apsc camera.

Lastly, if we compare sony lenses price to Fuji lenses, you won't feel sony lenses are so expensive anymore. Apart from the samyang 12mm f2.0 that I've mentioned above which also offered in fuji x mount, I'm don't think I can find fuji offer something at a similar price point for I paid for sony. The closest match to my 18105 is the fuji FX18-135mm. While it has longer reach, but it's not fixed aperture. And the price is RM4k, enough to tapao my a6000 with the 18105g with few hundred ringgit change.

This post has been edited by Loseeker: Mar 15 2017, 01:06 AM

Ah do read my post carefully and to whom i responded to. I giving reason why a6300 and a6500 are overpriced. Not why u need 4k. And there really is high iso problem (around 3200 above) which produces ugly red hue/banding/noise (not sure what u called it) when u uplift the shadow in pp.

And you are not stuck with sony natives only lah. Native lens are indeed limited on sony but because e mount has shorter length you can actually adapt far more lenses from Canon, Nikon and even oldie lenses via adapter.

Doesnt really matter. In fact some pros even recommend D5300 over D5600 cause its cheaper and some dont notice the image quality drop.

I prefer DSLR when there is special event because you got wide choices for accessories and lens. Rather than picking up D5600 + 70-300 better go with D7200 used + prime lens like 35mm 1.8 or 24mm 1.4. You will be blown away by its result if you like bokeh and portraits. For everyday point and shoot, smartphone is enough. (using oneplus 3T and it works good with street photography but not great. Good enough)

I couldn't agreed more, with events, I will pick up a dslr over a mirrorless anytime everyday given the choice. But then again, unless we do photography as a profession (eg, wedding photographer), is it really worth the investment we put into our dslr just to take it out on ocassional events and weddings among friends, relative and acquaintances? Well, I supposed that's an answer each of us have to answer for ourselves.

hahah that reminds me that in showcases/events, when there's a group of photographers taking photos of the models

1) Guy with Handphone
2) Guy with P&S
3) Guy with Mirrorless
4) Guy with DSLR
5) Guy with Mirrorless + Flash + Battery Grip
6) Guy with DSLR, Battery Grip + Flash

Guess who the models will always look at first to pose

the most handsome one ?

well it seems like kldslr offer 800 for the 70-300 trade in as too many of their customer trade in.

decent...cos they will then sell it around rm1.1k.
if u want to sell it also, then ur gonna be competing with those 'many customers'...see in the end maybe u sell rm900-1k and will take time.

but i will just keep the 70-300VR and use it cos its still a good lens.

how u know they offer 800. Whats the actual price actually for this. 3.4 if minus 800 means the cam is around 2.6k.

i pmed thr fb page

I'm guy #1. But for serious photos la (like Comic Fiesta or Computex) I will be guy #4, add flash if need.

Last year at AFA SG i got lazy, so I use smartphone.

This one.

When I was on Canon system, I have the 70-200 F4L. I bought the cheapest, and even though being probably the best lens I have it was so rarely used. So rare until it was the first few lens to go.

Now on Nikon system, still no 70-200 and don't even have a need for it. May buy it in the near future 'just in case' need for work but even for my work, rarely do I need anything more than 120mm.

Last night when I shoot for a dance performance show, I met a guy that using D5100+ 18-55
He is just a beginner and ask be of what setting to use

Of course, when I try to explain the aperture, shutter and ISO to him, by using his camera
I find out, when my aperture is F5.6, 55mm, I already push the ISO to 3200, but I still cannot get shutter that faster than 1/100
The photo come out still dim and of course, when slow shutter, photo turn to be not that sharp due to hand shake

By looking at this, getting a 70-300 that with dynamic aperture, I can say it not much useful during dim light environment (if not shoot with tripod)
My personal opinion, dun get the package that come with this 70-300 (then you sell it)
Just get what you need will do

If really plan to get D5600, I would suggest just get the body + kit lens (such as 18-55, 18-120) and not more than that, or with some prime lens also another good idea

When travel, I use D750+35mm and also I will bring along my a6000
my a6000 mainly is for video purpose, and some place as market or shops
Because these places if u bring out your DSLR, people will be shy or run away or trying to avoid you
But, if you using phone or mirrorless, people can accept.

The response and handy feel of DSLR is something that Mirrorless cant reach at this moment

So, you have to think back your self what you need, then only can spend wisely

That 70-300 probably is now a bundle because tak laku no one want and now want to get rid of it.

I also think it's wiser to go with just the standard zoom range kit.

For me, UWA and macro lens, even standard primes (35mm, 50mm) serves more purpose than a 70-x00 range telephoto zoom.

better go for d3400 then? Sensor same most lf it same only lack a articulating screen and wifi to name a few. How u guys take selfie for fun if ur screen is fixed haha