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post May 31 2017, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(WooTz @ May 31 2017, 10:33 PM)
I'm checking through the list now, it's like 2-3 blocks at most

world record for sure rclxms.gif
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Good for those who snagged a piece of the pie, and hope all goes well with the development of Brave.

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Something to share with you guys, reason why you should hold on tight to your ETH:

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WooTz need not apply. tongue.gif

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post May 31 2017, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(axxer @ May 31 2017, 11:07 PM)
So much for brave plan to decentralize internet ads revenue. Total supply of bat were all swept away by 193 whales. Need better way to handle ico. So far i like status plan for their contribution period, no public known hard cap to mitigate issue of whales hoarding all the tokens.
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https://etherscan.io/txs?block=3798640&sort=value&order=desc

laugh.gif Whales everywhere.
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post Jun 1 2017, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(hjffgjng @ Jun 1 2017, 12:46 AM)
malaysian need new exchanges

where i can convert ethereum to myr directly?? cry.gif

pliz u guys milionaire cant make a website or sumthin
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Wait for this: https://localethereum.com/

By then your ether would have went to the moon and you'd be driving lambos (lamboS, not a lambo).


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Convert to BTC and sell it off on localbitcoins or xbitasia lah.
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post Jun 1 2017, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(b0rhui @ Jun 1 2017, 01:15 AM)
A very good explanation of how btc basically obtained its value from the start eventually ended up with different people having different objective. To top up with how it got its perceived value

"THE BELIEFS THAT GIVE MONEY VALUE
So why does a five-dollar bill have value and some other pieces of paper do not?

It’s simple: Money is a good with a limited supply and there is a demand for it because people want it. The reason I want money is because I know other people want money, so I can use my money  to get goods and services from them in return. They can then use that money to purchase goods and services they want.
Goods and services are what ultimately matter in the economy, and money is a way that allows people to give up goods and services which are less desirable to them, and get ones that are more so. People sell their labor (work) to acquire money in the present to purchase goods and services in the future. If I believe that money will have a value in the future, I will work towards acquiring some." e.g. Mining it
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And I have yet to touch base on the use cases of other coins (e.g. Ripple for fast cross border transfers or Ethereum for smart contracts), and the blockchain as a whole (in which a public ledger requiring incentivization to ensure security of the blockchain hence the introduction of minable returns). But I'll leave that aside for another time.

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post Jun 1 2017, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Jun 1 2017, 03:47 PM)
If Proof of Stake starts to replace Proof of Work, all the miners hardware will go to waste and put miners out of business.

https://blockgeeks.com/guides/proof-of-work...proof-of-stake/
What are your views?
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Just a quick one since I am at work - Mining pools won't run out of business as you can pool to stake coins. Any invested hardware can be sold.
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post Jun 1 2017, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(WooTz @ Jun 1 2017, 08:36 AM)
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/linux-bo...tent=cta_button

You guys interested in reading about Ethereum and solidity?

I'll buy it for you guys, as a gift!
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Just saw this post.

That Ethereum book is quite good - Touches upon cryptoeconomics as well.
Salutes to you for offering it.
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post Jun 1 2017, 10:29 PM

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Looks like a dip might be coming. Hang tight.
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post Jun 1 2017, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(b0rhui @ Jun 1 2017, 10:33 PM)
Why say so? Overall BTC or are you referring to ETH?
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I've only checked on ETH. Not sure if there will be a spillover effect on other coins.

Just another dip in the pond If you zoom out far enough. laugh.gif



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post Jun 1 2017, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(roy_zu @ Jun 1 2017, 10:51 PM)
Should have just sold all ETH yesterday when had the chance.. Damm son
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And if you did it probably will reach new all time high!

Well at least that happens for me. Plenty of times. Sigh.
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post Jun 2 2017, 06:02 PM

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untouchable - Since you PMed me, thought I'd reply here for the benefit of those who might have the same questions.

Disclaimer: I am not interested in Tezos and will not be funding for their ICO.
The below post assumes that you have some experience dealing with Bitcoin/Ethereum/altcoins.



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For ICOs what would be the mode of transaction to get the ICO? is it BTC? ETH? or can we use a currency for it (eg. USD, EURO etc.)?


It depends. Most accept Bitcoin/Ethereum, some accept altcoin/fiat. You'll need to check out their page or read/ask on one of their communication channels (usually Slack/Telegram).



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What are your views on ICOs apart from Tezos. Appreciate your views on Tezos as well.


ICOs are a nice way to gain quick funding to launch innovations, not dissimilar to Kickstarter/Indiegogo. From an investment perspective, it is extremely risky - Just like how products on Kickstarter/Indiegogo may fail to be delivered on time/entirely fail. This space is unregulated at this time (and there are debates on both sides whether to this should be regulated), so be aware of the risks.

Study the whitepaper, the community, the developers. Know as much as possible about the project, and better still if you are actually familiar with it (so to see weak spots unaddressed via the whitepaper/by the devs). Invest only if you are comfortable, do not consider returns, and think of this as donations to young, brilliant minds to start up something which could potentially change the world for the better. That said, ICOs had historically seen decent returns, as this market is highly speculative.

ICOs do not necessarily guarantee portfolio returns - e.g. - The scenario where ether increased in price so much that the price of the tokens released by ICOs do not catch up. In that case it would just be better to hold ether for that duration.





Personally I allocate only a small portion of my cryptocurrencies in ICOs, and only put money into projects I personally am interested in.
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post Jun 2 2017, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(untouchable @ Jun 2 2017, 06:19 PM)
Thanks so much for the insights! @Enigmatic

What ICOs are you looking at then if you don't mind me asking
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I have some stake in Mona.co which is still ongoing, albeit it now has a slightly lower reward bracket.
Looking at TenX and Bancor as well, since all these have practical uses for me.
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post Jun 2 2017, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(b0rhui @ Jun 2 2017, 06:46 PM)
Monaco have paid so much for google ads. It's always on my web laugh.gif What makes Monaco different from others BTC card?
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To be honest... I am not sure. When (or if) I do eventually get the cards I will have a look through. Statements from founders are of course, generally bias to their own offerings.
I just really like the fact that people are making cryptocurencies accessible for daily spending now, instead of the traditional sell-on-exchange method.
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post Jun 3 2017, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jun 3 2017, 06:29 PM)
Not so much. Initially bought in at 11k sats then 4 - 5 times more on the rise. I think the last buy in was 75k sats. Might buy in again once it stabilize. Now just watching at the sides.

In principle, I don't think it is useful to mention amount/value on the internet. icon_rolleyes.gif

I'm actually waiting for the next crash to buy in again. This time I'm prepared. Go up or go down is fine with me!  smile.gif
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You certainly have a good eye for alts kmarc.

Managed to snatch some Stratis when it was on a dip, not as cheap as yours but ok la, got some pocket money. smile.gif
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post Jun 9 2017, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Jun 8 2017, 11:21 PM)
bro any recommendation good platform for bitcoin "seller"?
0.00001922 btc for 1 stellar.
cheap and risk.

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/06/06/chi...stellar-lumens/
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Ack. Seriously? tongue.gif

Stellar is giving out coins - 16B of them IIANM - Saturating the market with supply. Might want to watch out for potential price dumps over the coming weeks.

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post Jun 9 2017, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(dc_talkz @ Jun 9 2017, 05:43 PM)
Red flags!
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Check out their slack channel. Actually all the red flags had been explained in a series of videos which their founder (Kris) responded too.

Full disclamer: I have contributed to Monaco and I plan to do the same for TenX.
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post Jun 9 2017, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(dc_talkz @ Jun 9 2017, 07:00 PM)
Even if they are legit. Their reputation has taken a dent. Why not put your money on TokenCard or TenX then? considering that they are about the same, with a better reputation and progression. To each their own I guess. That's just my opinion but don't let me stop you. Best of luck.
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You can't stop people from popping up saying something - especially when reddit is a high volume board, so naturally you'll see plenty of conflicting opinions (e.g. Patientory, and you get remarks about Tezos and BAT, there are even people speaking against Bancor) - in which for this Monaco's reputation or the lack thereof holds little water as the product itself is still WIP (and I will say this extends to any product which is still WIP). So it is your own responsibility as an investor to scrutinise the product you are investing to see how sustainable it is. I've approached Kris and spoke to him over Slack especially with all the fiasco, so I have little concerns.

Anyhow, like I've mentioned - the claims were all addressed to by the founder so I see no issues there. And my money is also going to TenX as well since I am highly supportive of campaigns encouraging direct use of cryptocurrencies other than Bitcoin.

Addendum: typing on mobile is TOUGH

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post Jun 10 2017, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jun 10 2017, 02:32 PM)
Damn, look at BTS shooting. I really missed trollbox as I can't get updated info anymore.

Here's the only thing I got:

https://themerkle.com/bitshares-bts-value-s...ut-of-the-blue/
https://steemit.com/bitshares/@rok-sivante/...e-crypto-market
https://twitter.com/bitshares?lang=en

Not too sure how high it can go. It had already taken 8th spot with a market cap of 900Brclxub.gif https://coinmarketcap.com/

I think I will sell of 10% and see how....  hmm.gif
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Woah bro I was scrolling through and saw "WHAT? 900B??" tongue.gif

Stratis is crashing. Dipped below 8USD momentarily and I snatched up a couple. Humongous sell wall of 70BTC @0.002916.

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post Jun 11 2017, 12:09 AM

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You all are awesome people. kmarc and WooTz - Tonloads of nice information for newbies on that thread.

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post Jun 11 2017, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jun 11 2017, 07:49 AM)
Thanks. You are most welcomed to contribute. Want to reserve a post? smile.gif
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Eh no need la - I think you guys have covered way more than enough. Unless you want to see controversial ramblings about fiat and me talking about blockchain, which isn't appropriate on the front page. laugh.gif

What I am currently working now is to evaluate the statement that "cryptocurrencies are a Ponzi scheme". I was able to produce a mathematical representation of a Ponzi scheme on paper, but I am still working on modeling a supply-demand model for cryptocurrencies, which is a lot harder as there are too many abstract variables (e.g. how do we model the supply curve of cryptos, as it is a constant however market supply is fluid). There are some clear cut attributes differentiating the two in writing (mainly, what makes a Ponzi scheme unsustainable, being outflow > inflow, which the outflow amount (could be a constant, or a set of constants) but withdrawal rate over time growing exponentially as more investors come in), so hopefully I will have something to post again soon. tongue.gif

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