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enriquelee
post Apr 13 2017, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 11 2017, 12:38 AM)
O - ka start engine already... see if this paper trade works out. wink.gif
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What is the meaning of paper trade?
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post Apr 13 2017, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Apr 13 2017, 02:42 PM)
virtual trading, no actual money is used
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I see.

BTW I am thinking to collect BDB (6173), any comments from sifu here?
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post Apr 14 2017, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Apr 14 2017, 08:03 AM)
I can't comment on BDB as i know nothing of that counter
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Ok no problem.

Maybe ILoveLalat.net can comment. Or any other sifus?
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post Apr 14 2017, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(Pipspiper @ Apr 14 2017, 12:37 PM)
The stock looks like it just came out of the cold storage. You decide but for me personally will need to wait for it to rebound back from the current price drop. Maybe need to wait longer when the price shows steady climb. For me the FA is not bad just that this stock seems lack of publicity.

Again, this is my opinion and I hope some sifus can enlighten us more about this stock. smile.gif
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What is FA stand for?

I am targeting to collect for a few months then only dumb.

My reasons of buying is
1) Share value is 0.7+ while NTA is 1.76
2) P/E less than 7
3) Future book order is not bad
4) Property sales not bad
5) Got relation with government

What do you all think?
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post Apr 17 2017, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(Pipspiper @ Apr 14 2017, 03:50 PM)
FA stands for Fundamental Analysis like the ones you wrote above. Yes, I agree the FA is ok but what I was trying to say was wait to buy until the price hits bottom and then rebound upwards. I would wait until 2 or 3 daily bullish candle before making any decision. But then again, pls consider that this is my opinion and I could go wrong....

Maybe you can wait for the sifus to give their opinions...for the moment maybe it is worth the time to wait.
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Ya, it is hard to predict the rock bottom price. My planning is just collect bit by bit using cost collar averaging method till my intended fund amount. Is this strategy works?
In your own opinion is, you will only take up when you see a 2 to 3 days rise in this counter?

QUOTE(ILoveLalat.net @ Apr 14 2017, 08:26 PM)
Apologies for the late reply, BDB is currently or should I say undergoing correction now. Fundamentally sound, it should be valued at least 90 to RM1 at minimum. Monitor for an entry you think you can handle and set some loss points in the event things go wrong.

Probably you might see some hints but for now I may not be planning to enter for the time being. Nevertheless, it is a fundamentally strong counter, it's underrated and still do not know why players are still avoiding the stock given the strong points unlike shares like Sumatec, PDZ, etc.
Erm, no.
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Why you are not planning to enter now?
BTW, what happen to sumatec and PDZ?

QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 14 2017, 09:06 PM)
Nice comments but let's refrain from using terms such as sifus here.  Why? There's no need la for such stuff here.

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Ok?

I had a go paper trading this stock. You can refer it here post #311

As correctly highlighted, this stock was in a long spell in the cold storage (I called it coma-tic) b4 action kicked in Feb 2017. For me, I would check why the stock dramatically kicked into life. Something happened. If I were interested in this stock, I would want to find out what was the catalyst that drove the stock so much higher.

As it was, a combination of an extremely good quarter  and a very generous dividend of 4.5 sen. That simply drove the stock higher.

For now, I feel the stock is consolidating and perhaps the next reporting quarter would give clues to the stock direction. The last two candles on the chart looks rather suggestive.
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Ya, i think to find out why this counter is driving back to life is crucial .
Your opinion is wait for the next quarter report to see the direction?
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post Apr 17 2017, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 17 2017, 10:51 AM)
If you would note, that Q4 quarter reported on Feb was a blowout quarter. UNLESS, you know the company VERY WELL,  ie you have a good knowledge of their current project(s) and how it is selling, waiting for the next quarter is the safer option. On one hand, there is the risk of missing out if the company produces another blowout quarter but by waiting you mitigate the risk of the company producing a much weaker set of results.

Yes,  everything is about managing your risk.

Potential wise, the company has really done well judging by its recent 5 year track record. It did a rights issue not too long ago and they have more projects now. So for me, I think its all about BDB's ability to deliver....
Dollar cost averaging is not encouraged from a traders perspective. A wrong trading decision could easily snowball into a massive nightmare...
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Noted all. Thanks for the input.
I decided to change my strategy a bit, after read all comments here.
Buy in a bit now (In order not to miss the boat), then wait and see again. biggrin.gif
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post Apr 27 2017, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 21 2017, 09:09 AM)
Update on BDB. tongue.gif

Notes..

1. Bad paper trade.....so far.
2. Forced myself to enter just cos of the dividend.... this is never a good reason to trade.

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If aim for dividend, should buy blue chip, right?

Btw, this drop of BDB really make me tempting to start my collection before the March quarterly report is out.
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post Apr 27 2017, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 27 2017, 02:19 PM)
If solely for dividend strategy, the dividend history is important. Preferably, the dividend should be increasing.

BDB track record wasn't bad, yes?

Blue chips aren't that safe.
Check out YTL history.
Collecting before quarterly reports? You run the risk of a disappointing set of results. On the other hand if the result is a blowout.....you be laughing all the way to the bank.
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That is where risk and opportunity come hand in hand huh. biggrin.gif
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post Apr 27 2017, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 27 2017, 03:31 PM)
Yup and as I said, this is where one's fundMental analysis is mighty useful. Get it right and you are set.....
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Ok la, try try a bit la.
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post Apr 28 2017, 10:42 AM

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What do you all think about SIGN 7246?
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post May 17 2017, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 16 2017, 09:17 AM)
.... and BDB tanks after a poor set of quarterlies...
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Ya wor, luckily I listen to you all here. Wait for the quarterly report to come out 1st.
Probably now is time to go in. Agree?
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post May 17 2017, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 17 2017, 10:11 AM)
Actually no.
I do NOT agree that now is the time to go in.

If it was me....
I MIGHT do the following.

BDB's quarterlies earnings seems to be lumpier (ie. much more) on the Q4.
This is based on the last 2 fiscal year observation,
( Yes, the risk is that such assumption is based too loosely on too few data. 2 fiscal year data means nothing.... )
And considering the fact that the last couple of years dividends was announced after the Q4 earnings in Feb/Mar....
perhaps I would wait until Dec-Jan and see if I could catch a good entry.

*** such strategy has plenty of risks ***
of course... i would reconsider this strategy after the review of the next quarterly.

Ok, that's just a rough idea on what I might do.

Work out your own strategy.
And oh.... do not get totally hung up on JUST THIS ONE STOCK.

Why?
Liquidity isn't fantastic.
It's really a smallish property player ....

or simply put.... there are always a much better fish in the pond......  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Haha, thanks for the suggestion.

Ya, for sure there are always a better fish out there. The problem is they are hard to be identified.
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post Jun 20 2017, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 16 2017, 01:42 PM)
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What happen to this Jaks?

QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 19 2017, 05:06 PM)
Normal la. tongue.gif
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Normal? Sound scary ler. tongue.gif

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post Jun 20 2017, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 20 2017, 12:03 PM)
1. Jaks?

1. Price has literally stalled (ie stop moving up) since hitting 1.50 a while back....what does it look like now? Accumulation or distribution?

2. Trading at 100+ pro. Justifiable for a company that is clearly struggling?

At such prices...whatever future prospect appears to be priced in. So who wants to buy now at curren price where there is zero discount and no upside catalyst surprises?
.....like I have said in an earlier posting....this is an accident waiting to happen.
2. Locally funds like to take money off the table for the festive period. Just like in CNY.  It is what it is. And the current correction/weakness is not unexpected.
My 3 Sen.
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Jaks coal fired power plant in Vietnam not promising?

Ow...festive season syndrome huh
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post Jun 20 2017, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 20 2017, 04:20 PM)
Well what's your estimated earnings projections for the coal plant?
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Probably
RM 400 million profit during the up coming 3 years construction periods.
and
a few hundred million RM a year for the next 25 years after the completion of the plants
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post Jun 20 2017, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 20 2017, 04:59 PM)
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Your figures clearly are way too overly optimistic.

There's such a four letter word called ...... risk.
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Haha, maybe and maybe not.

I base on the following estimation to come out for the figures

1) RM 400 million over the construction period.
Base on about 5% profit margin of the awarded contract sum of about RM 8 billions

2) A few hundred millions a year
Assume 1 MW can earn RM 150. Say produce 12 hours a day for 30 days.
RM 150/MW x 1200 MW x 12 hours x 30 days x 12 months = RM 777.6 Millions a year.
Then put in a risk factor of 50%
RM 777.6 Millions a year x 50 % = RM 388.8 millions earning per year.
Even 70% risk factor also give a RM 200 millions earning per year.


Of course this is with an assumption of no big impact from other factors like change of law, political issues, wars and etc.
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post Jun 21 2017, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 20 2017, 07:58 PM)
Got some time now. tongue.gif

Here's from a different perspective...

1. Just in case anyone not know, this JAKS power plant thing is not new.

News in 2010: http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...-plant-project/

( I believe JAKS then was a penny stock. Around 70 sen or so.)
Clearly this is an Old cerita.


2. Things was never smooth for JAKS and its power plant. For example: http://www.thesundaily.my/news/1004604

JAKS at one time traded around 30 sen plus.  rolleyes.gif
3. Now very important... how's JAKS track record as a company. let's skip the earlier years. Focus on the last three years.
Yes, look at the track record. Let's have a rough gauge of JAKS as a company. (you need to search the numbers yourself)
Do you like what you see?

If I minus all news and just based on the numbers alone... man, I just have to say that this looks like a pretty below average company.
... so here's how I draw up my perception of the company.... my way *maybe the borak way. tongue.gif *

I see a below average, venturing big time into Vietnam. Since 2010. And so far, nothing, absolutely nothing has come off it. So all these big earnings projections.... how do I have the faith that JAKS can deliver?

And JAKS used to be below 40 sen. Price today is now 1.50. (Won't you say that whatever good news for the stock HAS ALREADY been priced in? But the problem now is that JAKS has yet to deliver anything ! )

Tell me, if I am smart in managing my investment risk, how could I justify myself in risking my money in a stock like JAKS, which is trading at a 100x PE !?!
See my point?

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Ya, I agree, JAKS FA memang look shitty for now.
They had struggled for a long period for the Vietnam deal.
If minus all the news and just look at the numbers alone, I see a good starting point there. Compare Q1 2016 and Q1 2017 the profit grow 7 times.
It looks like the rainy days has finally passed, sunny days will arrive soon.

Why I believe so?

Reason being (From what I see)

Rainy days has passed
1) They finally manage to get a JV partner for the Vietnam gigantic project. http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...il-power-plant/
2) Financial support wise they found the 3 China Banks. http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/jaks...nam-power-plant
3) 1 of their main loss is Liquidated damages which they kena impose due to late delivery of project. This shall not be a long term losses
4) The only concern which might be worried is how are they gonna cut lose on their Evolve Concept Mall. But the amount is relatively small if compare to the "Optimistic" profit forecast. tongue.gif

Arrival of sunny days
1) They start to diversify to power plant business and leave the construction industry which I think is hard to cari makan industry.
2) Electricity is something that everyone need to use and mostly it is a monopoly business. Good example of successful company is YTL.
3) If JAKS can get power plant project in Vietnam, they probably can get more similar project from other developing countries who are lack of electricity supply.

There is 1 big concern which need to be monitored is how well their JV partner, China Power Engineering Consulting Group Co Ltd can manage the power plant project at Vietnam. As long as they do not screw up, I think JAKS should have a bright future.

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 21 2017, 05:06 PM)
Dude... I wish you all the best.
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QUOTE(djhenry91 @ Jun 22 2017, 03:25 PM)
Key takeaways from JAKS Resources AGM today:

Koon Yew Yin: the largest shareholder of Jaks Resources had repeatedly asked for board seats from the management via friendly manner. Apparently, Koon's request was not entertained. He also lashed out the management for recent placement share at RM1.35 without placing to him.

source not sure want
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What is the story about?
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post Jun 23 2017, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(djhenry91 @ Jun 23 2017, 12:08 PM)
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Thanks for sharing.

QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 23 2017, 03:39 PM)
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All the reason to avoid this share like plague !

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( If the share goes up, it goes up la..... just don't get cross in any potential crossfire. tongue.gif)
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