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post Mar 8 2017, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 8 2017, 09:52 AM)
OK.

Give simple example

Take the first one.
RSI.
It just measures the relative strength of the stock based on the days set in the parameter of the indicator.
In most cases, the period is set to 14 days.
Very basic stuff la...
nothing geng.
Now what most people tend to do is...
they look at this indicator to see if the stock is overbought/oversold.
In which, you will see many beginners screaming rsi oversold la... time to buy.
or when it's overbought, it's time to sell... etc etc.

Generally, it's ok but the number of failed instances is far too many.
ie. the EXTREMES.
The EXTREMES is where one make or break really.

For in the EXTREMES of the RSI indicator, this is where we get the 'rolling down the hill' stocks...
or the forever flying stocks.

so if one gets their tails up and simply go ga-ga once the RSI indicator flashes its alerts...
one will surely lose out....

in the 'rolling down the hill' instances...
one could end up buying early...
only to see the stock continue sinking after one bought....
example? err.... the ONG sector. tongue.gif

if one gets kiasu...
and jumps the gun selling once the rsi shows overbought...
one would definitely miss out on the multi baggers.
however.... having said all that ayam...

for beginning charting...
it's ok la.

just don't over rely too much on any indicators...
it's like using financial ratios...
like PER....
I am sure you understand you cannot over rely on it too... yes?
and sometimes using PE alone... it's also risky.

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Nice, a topic solely for trading? Great! thumbup.gif

Yeah, sometimes we as traders or even investors could not just rely a lot on the indicators. Indicators are just merely used for the sake of emotion during trading, psychological behaviour would be best described if one is solely using TA.

However, just from my point view, in more advanced markets like UK and US, it could be proven that this method is workable since most of their trades are filled via high frequency trading using some bunch of algorithms. Especially if we can see it from indices or futures for example, it is basically a wash, rinse, repeat scenario. Some charts could be proven nearly a success while others do not (who was it that pull out that we are in a 1929 style of recession graph, where is it?). Personally, I never used the RSI as sometimes it could be just a paradox to investors and it is not proven. One needs like few indicators to confirm whether the sideways graph is about the break upwards or downwards, add in Fibonacci, MACD etc. Never liked using RSI during intra-day trade, for long-termers it's okay.

Also, on the PER, always do not like it when using it from the past, for example on UMW when oil prices were so excellent. Rio Tinto when they were at the top of the world when mining earnings were off the chart, it's different now. As an alternative, using PER is useful only when looking forward how it will be 5 years on. But usually stocks best for trading should rely both fundamental futures and the technical chart for best picks.

Now do not assume whatever I said is right, somewhere here could go wrong... rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 8 2017, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 8 2017, 03:46 PM)
WAH !!!

Long time no chat!!!

Excellent writing skills.  thumbup.gif

So waaaaaazzzzuppp !
Doing good ?

Do visit this corner more often. biggrin.gif

And please feel free to post (in regardless of me participation) smile.gif
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All good so far, I'm out of the game for this week, need to re-think some strategies.

You know, that we have a proper trading topic, wouldn't mind dropping in every now and then.

But for now, TA perspective, can look at stocks like Dialog. Dialog has a flag pattern graph, I'll pull it up when I'm free. Not sure why Dialog, but it must be something... brows.gif


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post Mar 8 2017, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 8 2017, 04:14 PM)
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You know this isn't a bad idea at all.
Not at all.

I mean... if one is missing out on some OnG stock rally....
This could be a decent consideration trade option.

I got my laptop with me now...
I can pull it out....

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Nice thumbup.gif

O&G is still the continuing play when trading, very promising.
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post Mar 13 2017, 07:51 PM

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Just showing some article from i3 on JCY, quite an interesting take, with the technology theme continuing to play, this one will surely be in the limelight with IWCITY, PWORTH, DNEX and its sectoral peers.

https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/candlestick/118172.jsp

On a related note, other sites which have successfully called PWORTH have their fruits bear, most likely tomorrow will break 20c but as always, trade with caution.

Here's another, all due credits given to Bursakakis, not me who did it, so thank them, okay. tongue.gif thumbup.gif

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post Mar 14 2017, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 14 2017, 12:24 PM)
Good stuff!

That JCY article is well written.
Nothing like the usual snake oil bloggers posting on that site. tongue.gif
Surprise to read the quality of the writing.
But I still have to say that forum website is toxic la.
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Anyway, thankz for that link.

Anyway my opinion la...
Overall, it can get messy if we continue to post links to other forums. Let's say if I have a problem with the article and I want to beeetch and moan and criticise the writeup, posting it here makes no sense. And if I did, and the other forum readers read my shitty comments and want to taruh me back, left, right and center...then very pening. tongue.gif

Which is why I don't.

Just saying only.....not saying u shouldn't.

Anyway JCy looks like a good short term trade.
You made some? biggrin.gif
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Correct, agree that website is very poisonous, cause I see some of their members talk-cock all the time with no straight reasoning, but yes, when I read it, it was really good.

Yeah, it does look really odd on the posting of links here, sometimes they may take it down and it will really confuse users, nevertheless, room for improvements when we show articles.

But to promote more quality and prevent spamming articles that may deteriorate the quality of this topic and forum, I will screen through on case to case basis, usually if most of calling for it and also coincidentally find the same share.
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post Mar 14 2017, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 14 2017, 02:24 PM)
Actually useful oso those forum u can gauge the market psychology sentiment lo. Dont get sucked into their mentality bt try to look at it from bird eye view
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This. After observing for quite a while, I cannot disagree on this statement. The negative perception on say IWCITY this morning for example, is most probably the reason why it will be 99.99% safe to enter below 2.50. Because everyone fears about it.

As Warren Buffett said, "We simply attempt to be fearful when others are greedy and to be greedy only when others are fearful."

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post Mar 14 2017, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 14 2017, 07:00 PM)
TQ !!!

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Anyway, it's not just talking-cock but they seem to have this idea to make money in the stock market, all you need to do is to promote like hell (this includes all kinds of dirty tricks) the stocks they own and hope other stupid and lazy punters will just buy the stocks they promote.
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But very susah also if you do this tactic. Reason being is they know that a group or one of us is promoting kaw-kaw, then the next moment is to queue up at the next ask price after purchasing at the ask because they knew it is also the trick.

0.005 very easy to make. All one has to do, follow the first few second ask to monitor the shares. Next, have 100k shares already make 200, after fees deductible. One week, 1000, one month, 4000. Rinse and repeat, win liao lor. icon_idea.gif

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post Mar 15 2017, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 14 2017, 08:18 PM)
LOL!!!

How la...

I so hate that quote.

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Back to Kerbau.... oops got new brand name... IWCITY... hehe..

This stock went limit up how many times - in how many days?

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I really wouldn't know how to play this....
Never ever my cuppa of tea...

Can really use buy when everyone is shitting in their pants when the stock went below 2.50 meh?

From the above chart... I dunno even know where to plan my exit plans if I went in at 2.50....
Anyway...

today's trading...

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Do not think that this stock will limit up one more time, that's that. Limit down, maybe... hmm.gif

Anyway, although fundamentally this stock is a loss-making company, the theme at play is the future value. Like Armada and UMW earlier, who cares if they lose billions. brows.gif Most important here is the future valuation because what's done is done. Past is the past, it would not come back. Look at the present or better, the future.

Moving forward, let us look at more shares that unlock value. The other day UMW, was RM5, today as of this posting? RM6.13, quite grateful to join the ride.

Anyway, if looking at my RM2.50 entry, my stop loss would have been 15% less than RM2.50. Why is that? The future value is worth more than RM2.50, unless one is a contra holder, easily struck by fear, this is no problem. I am conservatively placing my TP of RM3-3.15 in my opinion, looking at few months worth of swing trading.

Disclaimer: Whatever I said above is actually BS, one should go and consult your remisiers because they know what to do..... or they don't.... tongue.gif

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post Mar 15 2017, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(djhenry91 @ Mar 15 2017, 12:00 PM)
Disclaimer: Whatever I said above is actually BS, one should go and consult your remisiers because they know what to do..... or they jus earn ur commission so jus buy buy buy.......................at ur own risk hahaha
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Correcto. Typical of them. I think only a few of them were nice though.

QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 15 2017, 12:15 PM)
ps:

Just checked...
My fake trading record shows I can only get close to 35% winnable trades from such situations....

Yes on my fake trading...
I do categorize the type of trades...
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Same style with IWC? Would it be the same scenario for other trades with no fundamental future?

If just hit and fail, the ratio must be high then.
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post Mar 15 2017, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 15 2017, 12:38 PM)
This one would be under 'Chasing limit up stocks' .

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Ah I see. But it does not happen every day does it? What about limit down, i.e. Globetronics and Shell a.k.a. Hengyuan? icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 16 2017, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 16 2017, 06:54 PM)
Another good category is Vivo.
Remember?

Put it under stocks that enlarge their shares into mulit billion shares.  tongue.gif
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Yup. Why are they injecting fats into the body? Good fats? Bad fats? But what's with the bonus shares for?

The whole management really needs to question the reality of it and why they think it is necessary for it. Now 3 billion shares plus from slightly 1 over billion. shakehead.gif
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post Mar 20 2017, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 20 2017, 10:01 PM)
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So tell me why one should not paper trade ?

Let me hear your own opinions. smile.gif
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Just my 0.005, from my point view, paper trading should only be used to how one is familiar with entering orders, the filling of orders and how the market works. Paper trading for too long could result in overconfidence and just delude one to think the stock market is perfect.

If we observed in the US markets, you will know what I meant. The bid and ask spread is way bigger than our Bursa and the market makers may play or give leniency to a trader when matching orders. I am not saying it is bad or stay away from paper trades but that is how I see it.
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post Mar 21 2017, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 21 2017, 09:48 AM)

Getting familiar with the trading platform, ie entering orders etc etc...

Sorry but that's handbags in my opinion. wink.gif

Paper trading for too long could result in overconfidence and just delude one to think the stock market is perfect.

I don't agree because I now believe that many have a misconception what paper trading is.

Paper trading is not about randomly paper trading the hot stocks.
Paper trading is for us to discover our strength and weakness in the stock market.
There are so many trading methods/ways.
For example: Wave trading, Breakout trading, Bottom up trading, Day trading, Scalping, Trend trading, Pattern tradings, momentum trading etc etc...
Out of so many methods, how do we know what's our best trading skill?
For example after paper trading for a period of time, we DISCOVER that our favorite day trading yields a 50% result and breakout trading yields a 65% result for us.
With that paper trading result, we can conclude that breakout trading is our best skill set...
so we formulate our market trading strategy based on our paper trading result.
Make sense so far?
It would be illogical if we do real trading as a day trader just because it's our favorite trading method, yes?
Instead should stick to breakout trading, yes?
That's our best skill set, so we use it.
Make sense again?

Now the question now is, how do we make this discovery that breakout trading is our best?

We have to TEST OUT our trading skills yes?

How are we going to test it out?

Test it out by trading with real money?
or test it out with fake trading?

This is how I would use paper trading.

And I really do not see how paper trading can be the source of over confidence.
There's nothing as 100% win record in paper trading.
I cannot achieve it.

Back to over confidence.
YES!
It's DEADLY and it's a source of where mistakes are make.
Sometimes BIG BIG mistakes for many.

There will be days when one wins BIG in the market.
After selling out the stock, trust me, the feeling is damn shiok-ka-lingam....
And one of the favorite songs to be heard ringing our ears is usually 'Believe it or not' ...
Unfortunately what happens next is impulse trading ( which basically trading on HOPE )...
and one would just buy the next stock due to over confidence...
ie. trading on HOPE...
and that's when one makes most mistakes.
It's a common mistake.
Those stock switching investors make it all the time.
They buy the next so-called available stock just because they have the 'extra' money in their portfolio (after selling out a winner)....
and these next-so-called available stock, if they look back in the future, they would realize, it's only a really average stock only.
I used invest cause perhaps it's best understandable (i think)...
Traders being overconfidence takes on the next trading just because it's an option (unfortunately it's never the best option)....

in short...

yeah... many have misconception what paper trading is all about.

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Fuyoh, that is some very long explanation, opinion here. sweat.gif

Very well written indeed. So okay, let us explain on the negatives of paper trading first, because sometimes we get out from the stock market or have yet to open the trading account with the brokerage house , can nevertheless attempt to do paper trading. From my standpoint, when conducting paper trading on the day itself, maybe a stock favoured by a trader is doing so well. And it comes back to various reasons such as, good corporate earnings, speculation to news, good progress on the development of companies etc. But when we enter with real money, problems begin to surface.

For this, let us to last Friday on OLYMPIA as an example. I paper traded around 13.5 within my imaginary mind. Not real money, fake. So the stock did very well right, on Monday, gilanya, it rose to 17.5, I entered another few thousand lots, once again, fake, flimsy, paper money. Wow, won a ton of fortune. Having amassed with delusion, being very high and greedy on the stock, I entered 19.5 today as at this posting, this time, real, hard, cash. I think it will hit 22 today, well, let us take a bet. As of this writing, 17.5. So, somewhere is wrong right? Stock or greed problem.

While I agree, to the above as you mentioned that we can test new methods out and pattern day trading (yes, in fact I am practicing NYSE/CBOE options before playing for real as a starter.), as traders, we need to test waters first before just jumping in. But what above that instinct one has, the willingness to jump in if one has "hope". Yes, the "hope" is really a dangerous word in the stock market world. It is akin to saying, "gambling ones wealth". This discussion would seem very fitting as Bursa continues to sky-rocket new records on trading volumes and gives similar flashbacks to 2014. It is something that everyone as to be wary of.

For ones information, I got scared of entering some of Bursa's currently mouthwatering shares that one's share would melt into one's mouth. Examples include DATAPREP, IWCITY and as mentioned OLYMPIA. Made a fortune, in a paper trading world but of course, if I gamble all now, real money, I will be a huge loser. So I do not know where it goes. But as mentioned before, paper trading is good for testing out strategies but not for a source of delusion and when one becomes delusional, that person's mind disappears into oblivion.

Whew, that is some one long post I have done in a long time. rclxm9.gif
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post Mar 21 2017, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Mar 21 2017, 10:51 AM)
while you guys debate on paper trading, the grown ups are making real money in stock market.
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Some of my trades are real money. Just that in this time of time, I became so "rambang mata", do not know which stock to go or not to go. On Friday's Trading At Last session, I had to pick between Foundpac or Dataprep, I went to Foundpac instead. See what happen after that Friday. Susah like that to pick which is what.

And since we are in our fantasy, perfect world, hence paper trading. But nothing wrong discussing about that, some of us had to go back to the drawing board by paper trading.
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post Mar 21 2017, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 21 2017, 12:20 PM)
Lol. He was just trolling and yes, I fed the troll. laugh.gif
And for your info....
I still paper trade.
This is what I use to keep on improving. smile.gif
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I think we all fed the troll. brows.gif

But no matter, healthy discussions are always welcome around so all of us can improve.
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post Mar 22 2017, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 21 2017, 03:06 PM)
I believe that if one wants to be good in the market...
One needs to possess the ability to ignore other peoples big winnings.

Cannot win everything one ma.....

Learn to let go. biggrin.gif

Just concentrate on ourselves.
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I totally have to really agree with you.

Sometimes we miss but they win by a big margin. Let us say a market crash is coming, one will only know that it could be our turn to win and they lose. Sometimes winning, sometimes losing, even could be not our turn yet. That is why there is a term called "rotational play". biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 22 2017, 10:12 AM)
The ability to control emotions very important in the market.

Me? I am almost like a kayu. LOL!

Nothing gets to me - it never bothers me if I see a stock jumps up few hundred percent.

Guess it helps that since I ....

1. understand if the stock is not in my wheelhouse, so be it.
I never bother if an ultra penny stock rises few hundred percent.
It's not my game.

2. Ah.... it goes back to paper trading (argh oh no! laugh.gif tongue.gif )

During the period when I was paper trading...
it never bothers me...
if the stock I am paper trading went up fifty or hundred percent and that I have zero real money in it.
This is because I understand I am in the training period.
Whatever happens in the market, c'est la vie.
And also if the market is bullish and I am only paper trading, it's yet again c'est la vie for me.
I am not ready for the market.
I am training.
Que sera sera.

This is why I handle missed opportunities rather OK.

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That is a good thing.

Of course, sometimes I get frustrated because a stock I spotted before all start to fly up till it hits space even though there were signs. But to me as we see today, most important, make money when markets fall because if one can make or survive without having their portfolio down into the ditch, surely juggling in the bull market would not be any problem.

And paper trading, how did I forget that? doh.gif

Paper trading's important when we want to come and beat down the market. But as mentioned before, paper trading should be used to test strategies, not to have no faith in picking shares "one thinks will go up", and only join when it hits the climax. Missed opportunities come and go, it is up to an investor or in this case, traders to take it or leave it. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 22 2017, 04:29 PM)
LOL!

You did not forget eh?

How about you chose err... 5 different stocks... ?
I pick one and then I show you how I might do another live paper trade?

All talk ayam and no show ayam also no use, yes?

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I use my siggy as my chosen stocks, how about that? icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 23 2017, 04:54 PM)
Woaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!

Lalat!!!!

I saw! cheers.gif
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Haha, once again paper money, fake but it could have been the real deal. I'll swap some in the coming days.

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 23 2017, 09:48 PM)
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Out of the list, let me try if I can do one fake trading with BDB.

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This has the possibility of a bullish flag breakout in the making.

Stock rams up on a combination of good news + impressive set of profits on 14th.  (got some consolidation diividend)

Notes to myself...
This was a coma-tic and a loosy traded stock.
Once the combo of good news hit, it flew...
'Assuming' the potential upside... 
I shall wait for the consolidation/retracement/pull back to happen....

Which is typical of a bullish flag trading....
CANNOT jump the gun...
Wait for the retracement to finish...
Wait for the breakout of 81 sen....

So meantime.... do no nothing but wait...

Put the stock into the stock alert....
..... to be continued .................
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Sorry I was real busy today. Thanks for the upload of the graph. biggrin.gif

I reckon that with the technical advantage as well as fundamental, we will most likely see the graph move upwards to the 90 and RM1 range within the coming months, weeks or even days!

This was the exact graph that we can see stocks like AAX and Air Asia once before. However, another to note that it could be a bull trap in which as you said we have to observe over the coming days. I reckon if it gets two green bars or an Marubozu breakout, it would really mend well for the graph.

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