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hehe86	Apr 11 2017, 01:29 AM Return to original view \| Post #21
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	Q: technical wise, let say for stock like SUPERLN after brokeout from 2.6, how would one enter if he doesn't have this stock yet? As for myself, cannot see entry
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hehe86	Apr 13 2017, 07:00 PM Return to original view \| Post #22
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Apr 12 2017, 08:11 PM) U missed the boat.... 😅 Haha when broke out of 2.6, i'm queuing already. Even mentioned that 2 price did not even match. Then thought tmr got chance, mana tau EOD release qtr rpt, sayonara QUOTE(gark @ Apr 13 2017, 02:52 PM) Boat come back today.. Baru start to retrace a bit only wo...
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hehe86	May 1 2017, 07:45 PM Return to original view \| Post #23
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	i think double bottom also its preceding trend is a downtrend, and failed to make new lows, hence the reversal would be strong. in frontkn case, it was not in a downtrend my 2 cents This post has been edited by hehe86: May 1 2017, 07:45 PM
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hehe86	May 1 2017, 11:09 PM Return to original view \| Post #24
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	Haha, not saying i'm good in charts also gek, we're here to learn! They say reading a chart is an art, not a science too Actually to read a chart on cheap stocks like frontkn, which is 0.2x-ish, i'm not so sure how accurate chart reading can be for it. Since it is cheap, the movement is very limited. in my opinion lo. as for double bottom, to me, a double bottom is a reversal play. Hence thats why i said it should be in a downtrend, failed to make new low, then reverse to go into a new trend. thats why opposite of double bottom is double top lo
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hehe86	May 3 2017, 04:39 PM Return to original view \| Post #25
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	Haha. Maybe sometimes one need not to know where's the beef but act according to the current price?
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hehe86	May 3 2017, 05:52 PM Return to original view \| Post #26
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	QUOTE(Suicidal Guy @ May 3 2017, 05:06 PM) [attachmentid=8782069] [attachmentid=8782070] Paper trade this stock at 2.82 Yes this i will trade also, breakout trade ftw haha This post has been edited by hehe86: May 3 2017, 05:52 PM
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hehe86	May 8 2017, 03:20 PM Return to original view \| Post #27
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 8 2017, 10:32 AM) The beef represents the 'potential' reward. Without knowing the potential reward, how is one gonna do a risk assessment of a trade? Or maybe JT is in vogue. Yea i know, but there are times when let say a stock is making a new high, a breakout move with substantial volume, without news, so if one wait for the news or know what happen, maybe way too late. This is if one only based on TA purely. If wanna include FA, of course this is not the only way where one could do more home work into its project, cost price, etc etc to increase their odds of predictability And i thought one normally wouldn't know how high a stock can go? More often that not though, a stock usually not in my radar until the news came out only to realize. But a recent example like SUPERLN, the consolidation before the breakout around 2.6x, one could be ready to wait for the breakout before waiting for the qtr report to act lo Btw, what is JT? This post has been edited by hehe86: May 8 2017, 03:22 PM
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hehe86	May 8 2017, 03:23 PM Return to original view \| Post #28
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	I also waiting for Suicidal Guy to reply his stock pick out of that 3 hehe
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hehe86	May 8 2017, 04:54 PM Return to original view \| Post #29
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 8 2017, 03:31 PM) For stock breaking out to new highs, your own estimate valuation of the stock is needed. Yes the funnies is needed and is very important. Compare Favco and Success....what's the difference? Why one is worth risking to chase... JT = ? Just Tembak la. For new highs stock, the way i currently been doing is minimum expectation of x2 reward of my risk/stop loss. Usually will take some profit once it reach x2 reward and hold the remaining to ride the trend. Not sure how or what to use to get the valuation of a stock (based on estimated PE, broker house tp, etc) Favco, able to closed new high with good volume, but the next black bar is also with significant volume, so that's not a really good sign already. may have to monitora while longer. As for Success, is already in an uptrend, unlike Favco which was in a consolidation, keep making new high, especially after the break of 2.9 and 3.1 with good volume. But to enter Success, no idea. So my answer would be to consider Sign after the close above of 1.01, it 'consolidate' with low volume which is quite ok imho. JT, first comes into my mind is John Travolta lmao
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hehe86	May 8 2017, 07:15 PM Return to original view \| Post #30
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 8 2017, 05:37 PM) ..... so if you have to ..... which stock would you have chosen? Eh, ada answer liao ma aku lol. Sign
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hehe86	May 12 2017, 03:52 PM Return to original view \| Post #31
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	Can check out the book Mastering the markets by tom williams to know more bout volume price relationship quote from the book: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « To make it easier for you to understand volume, compare it to the accelerator of your automobile. Think about the results you would expect from pressing the accelerator when approaching ‘resistance’, such as a hill. Imagine you are an engineer monitoring a car's performance by remote control. Your instruments only allow you to see the power applied to the accelerator pedal (volume) and a second engineer is looking at the cars actual motion (price movement). The second engineer informs you that the car is moving forward uphill; however, this uphill movement is not in keeping with your observation of power to the accelerator pedal, which you observe is very low. You would naturally be somewhat sceptical, as you know a car cannot go uphill without sufficient power being applied. more read up: https://atoast2trading.wordpress.com/2013/0...esse-livermore/ This post has been edited by hehe86: May 12 2017, 04:05 PM
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hehe86	May 15 2017, 04:41 PM Return to original view \| Post #32
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	They say after close its gap, will turun?
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hehe86	May 15 2017, 07:36 PM Return to original view \| Post #33
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 15 2017, 04:44 PM) Cast in stone? Haha, mostly lo. Of course not fix lo
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hehe86	May 15 2017, 07:52 PM Return to original view \| Post #34
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	Haha anything that cast can be uncast also ma, lol
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hehe86	May 17 2017, 04:23 PM Return to original view \| Post #35
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	SIGN, paper trade if close above or @1.04? lol
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hehe86	May 17 2017, 05:20 PM Return to original view \| Post #36
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	Haha, i assume you would like it to move above 1.06?
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hehe86	May 17 2017, 07:32 PM Return to original view \| Post #37
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	yea that huge jump net profit is quite obvious. Without that profit, macam so so only or rather not so good. lol i know i know you gonna say u dun let chart use you.
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hehe86	May 17 2017, 10:56 PM Return to original view \| Post #38
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	char koay teow stocks very de obvious wan wo... example TIGER? How also SIGN n TIGER macam heaven and earth leh lol
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hehe86	May 18 2017, 04:14 PM Return to original view \| Post #39
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 18 2017, 01:04 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Waaaaa I guess you like me to be long winded and make me say the obvious? The last 2 quarters, the earnings declined 32% and 41% respectively. But the stock? The stock was at 0.805 on 22nd Nov (the day after Q1 earnings) The stock today closed today 1.03. Which means the stock is up 22.5 sen despite posting two set of shitty results. To be more obvious, it's up a massive 28%. Normal? If you just have all these data, and you have NOT yet look at the actual chart, would you consider that this is a good/sensible/logical trade? Think about it. Goreng. Fried. You think ONLY stocks without fundamentals are fried? Is it cast in stone? What's there to stop stocks with poor fundamentals from being fried? Is this not possible? See the simple obvious point here? Do you understand the obvious risk in trading such a stock at this moment of time? If i assume that when the earnings on Nov 2016 was announced, the price already reflected, hence cannot go lower. Then slowly it recovers, then again on Feb, it announce not so good result and yet to move up higher. I would have ask myself apasal tak cantik tapi masih mau naik? I "could" react on the price action and ride the trend no?
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hehe86	May 18 2017, 06:07 PM Return to original view \| Post #40
Gratitude Senior Member 1,497 posts Joined: Dec 2005	QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 18 2017, 05:05 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « You need to focus on the bare facts lah. Nov 2016 results in comparison of its net profits. Nov 2016 (3.33 million) vs Nov 2015 (4.89 million) vs Nov 2014 (9.28 million) What's the above line saying? 2016 < 2015 < 2014. Check the RATE OF DECLINE. Maybe one bad quarter. Maybe Nov period not ONG. Maybe Q1s is not good. Check another one. ie the latest one. Checkout the Q2s. Feb 2017 (3.35 million) vs Feb 2016 (5.64 million) vs Feb 2015 (12.17 million) What's the above line saying again? 2017 < 2016 < 2015 and the RATE OF DECLINE is alarming too! numbers taken from the table below again. Either how you compare, the numbers are SHOWING VERY CLEARLY that this is a company whose EARNINGS HAVE BEEN DECLINING RAPIDLY. Yes? ------- ok.... some times... it does happen... that turnarounds might happen. YES, this is a VALID TRADING STRATEGY. But as valid as it is... you need to bet it on actual numbers. How can you bet on a stock WHOSE TURNAROUND has YET TO HAPPEN but the stock price has already APPRECIATED some 28%? make sense? -------------- rite now... which means you are betting on a stock trade just cause of its trend DESPITE it's shitty results, which basically is more the same as what the punters in MUDAJAYA is doing right now. Think logic lor. Where got investors chase a stock when the stock earnings is declining more and more. Make sense meh? or simply put ... a thousand times again... you are trading just because of the chart. OH YES, there are many who says that this is what they have been doing all their lives. The chart. The chart. The chart. The chart becomes more important than the stock. WHY IS WHY I SAID SO obviously THAT IN SUCH STRATEGY THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN TRADING IN GORENG STOCKS. Yup, no difference. TIGER or SIGN, it doesn't matter. The chart says nice, I will trade. This is reality. If such trading strategy is OK with you, stick with it lah.... Your trade, your choice. Alamak Ah Boon, jgn marah. I just "chui sui", haha din expect you gonna reply this long. Yes fundamental wise it is declining and the price didn't make sense to move up. Hence thats why i said i paper trade with reason: ONLY TA, and see how it goes only. I also most likely won't put my money on it with this kind of FA. So i get your point, is not that i dont, lol
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