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post Feb 27 2021, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Feb 27 2021, 05:11 PM)
We are not majority share holder, we can sell at peak valuations, eg when TG hit 55 bil market cap that time and run road with all the profit. So it doesn't concern us this fundraiser.

But topglove boss or majority holder like epf cannot do that, just imagine if they sell big lot at peak price what would happen to the whole company share price.

So most of the time, these public listed boss already experience enough to know if they do nothing and not selling, they are going to ride the share up and ride it back down with nothing to show for it except the dividend.

The only way to "profit" without selling will be to get errr new sucker to put in money at the high point of their valuations, so when they ride it down again the new "capital" money at 5.x range is well and secure as part of the company which they have majority share  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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LOL!!!

But...... fundraiser is what they called it on their Bursa announcement. tongue.gif



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post Feb 27 2021, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Feb 27 2021, 04:36 PM)
Haha. Just enjoy watch popcorn? They can use 101 reasons to goreng a stock
It's a double edge sword. But I do agree with you. Why spend so much money on share buyback? Might as well use the money for capex
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er ...... boss had a dream (or is it 'obsession'?) .... to be bigger than Maybank ... and then dunno what Fortune what company listing .... rolleyes.gif


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post Feb 27 2021, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Feb 27 2021, 05:34 PM)
Let's say if they did a successful placement at current RM5.x price range and over subscribed.

With 35% holding, it would net the founder and it's family around 2.6bil in real money into the company, not a bad payday don't you think without selling any shares at all  biggrin.gif
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... which gives them more money to waste in share buybacks.... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Feb 27 2021, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Feb 27 2021, 05:45 PM)
Buyback reduce EPS ma. Very good for share holder.

But buy until so hard, one time wallop 1bil share for dilution rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

Hahaha i don;t know why i keep attack TG. Actually many company management team also do this kind of questionable stuff, and i still buy their share  tongue.gif
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of course reduce eps... but that's the theory.

execution is another story altogether. tongue.gif


at current rate ... what's the use of the reduction of eps when the share buybacks is gonna lose few hundred millions of $$$$ ?



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post Feb 27 2021, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Feb 27 2021, 07:58 PM)
They feel that the share is undervalued, maybe?

Even hartalega boss also buy their own shares
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Of course ... they will feel that their share is undervalued.

But what if it isn't? What if they are wrong?



Being good in their business and being good in the share market is totally 2 different things.

Look at the end results so far...

Share buyback... lose hundreds of millions.

Use Tropicana money to buy TG shares.... lose money.

Use own money to buy TG shares.... also lose money.

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post Feb 28 2021, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Feb 28 2021, 04:22 PM)
haiya. no point pull the judgement trigger too fast yet

they will announce QR in another 2 weeks

the market is just getting weirder these days rclxub.gif
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Hmmm...... hmm.gif


You shareholder issit? laugh.gif




Share buybacks started Sep ... based on 5.24 now losing 363 million.

Tropicana shares purchased was in Dec.... now losing 22 million

his own shares purchases since Dec.... now losing 13 million

let me count .... 1.6 billion splashed on buying TopGlove shares since Sep 2020 .... now losing 400 million....


err ..... this all this based on facts .... if you don't want to judge ... let it be lo....

only 400 million....


No problem what.... since Top Glove so rich... makes so much money......







alamak.... wait a minute.... if make so much money.... want to do a share listing in HK to raise money? (lol ... basically it's a rights issue in HK. tongue.gif )






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post Feb 28 2021, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Feb 28 2021, 05:05 PM)
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by the way, was curious why you are optimism on the share market in general after the mass covid vaccination hmm.gif
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I am forever optimistic la but that doesn't mean I will be trading all the time. When there is no opportunity, I will just sit.

TG... when a company is rich, what the company does with its money is so important. wink.gif
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post Feb 28 2021, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Feb 28 2021, 05:28 PM)
Based on my observation from your post.

you seems to hold much cash now

and you are anticipating a correction in the market

being said that, can you share abit of your opinion on the weird market movement in general currently?

the ARK ETF thingy, may cause a domino effect sweat.gif
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Aiyoyo.. U observe me for what la.

Stick to what you are good at and certainly try not to follow me.



So what so weird about the market?
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post Mar 1 2021, 09:27 AM

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Superman...

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and once again .... the scariest thing is we have yet to see a heavy volume selldown .... wink.gif

yup... no sign at all of any capitulation yet at all.
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post Mar 1 2021, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Mar 1 2021, 11:43 AM)
Hand itchy bought back orna

End up have to cut loss

Geram nya
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I am actually watching Orna/Muda/PPHB .... most likely Orna/Muda ...

Watching only ....


not liking what I see so far cos Muda looks like breaking down... wink.gif




gotta act and think like a hunter la.... be patient.... wait for your buy setup to appear....................... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 1 2021, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Mar 1 2021, 11:43 AM)
Hand itchy bought back orna

End up have to cut loss

Geram nya
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See TG? Under 5.

The HK listing? nothing but a rights issue ..... shakehead.gif


sure die one lo ...

shareholders here ... comeon ... are they so silly to endorse a HK listing ... to make TG a more global stock and suffer a dilution of eps for it.





pstttt..... what the boss do when the company is rich ..... says a lot. Very important la if you are a long term shareholder.

the Superman boss? He go whack big fancy richman house in the US pulak ..... rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 1 2021, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 1 2021, 12:00 PM)
See TG? Under 5.

The HK listing? nothing but a rights issue .....  shakehead.gif
sure die one lo ...

shareholders here ... comeon ... are they so silly to endorse a HK listing ... to make TG a more global stock and suffer a dilution of eps for it.
pstttt..... what the boss do when the company is rich ..... says a lot. Very important la if you are a long term shareholder.

the Superman boss? He go whack big fancy richman house in the US pulak .....  rolleyes.gif
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TG chart now ....

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scary thing .... no spike in volume ....yet!!!


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post Mar 1 2021, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 1 2021, 12:27 PM)
they will say, the shark is diam diam pushing down the price, once they come in big time, they will pushhhhhhh the price uppppppppppp

same goes to superman
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Yeah... sound like they learn from i3 laugh.gif
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post Mar 1 2021, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Mar 1 2021, 12:34 PM)
One thing for sure. Many of Retailer will have the once bitten twice shy mentality. No more dare devil in market to push to the peak price

Going back to pre covid level? Unlikely.
Going back to covid level? Unlikely.
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You got one more option ... no I see .... biggrin.gif
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post Mar 1 2021, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 1 2021, 12:35 PM)
i sudah masuk superman 4.40  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Err.......................... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif



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post Mar 1 2021, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Mar 1 2021, 12:37 PM)
Haha. I'm holding TG and harta for the dividend eh. Hahaha

Not a trader point of view so didn't put the option there lor
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Don't tell me la .... I don't wanna know.... laugh.gif



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post Mar 1 2021, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 1 2021, 05:02 PM)
they will defend and say, the shark are slowly collectingggg

you better start collecting while the price is still low, cus once they start pushing, you won't be able to catch em' at such pricing anymore~
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No buyback but the boss bought more .................... laugh.gif

One day when this is all over .... perhaps the boss might realise his folly in trying to defend/prop-up his company shares price...


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post Mar 1 2021, 07:07 PM

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and his personal record of him buying TG shares is certainly not good at this moment.

Total shares purchased = 22,105,000
Total cost = 129.564 million

At 4.90, he's sitting on paper loss of over 21 million!!


well.... I can't say much .... his company, his money to lose!

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post Mar 1 2021, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 1 2021, 07:07 PM)
and his personal record of him buying TG shares is certainly not good at this moment.

Total shares purchased = 22,105,000
Total cost = 129.564 million

At 4.90, he's sitting on paper loss of over 21 million!!
well.... I can't say much .... his company, his money to lose!

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This one will be a good case study too....

Remember Patton's thing about learning from mistakes?
Me? I rather learn from other people's mistakes la.... laugh.gif

Bloody cheepo la............... tongue.gif


Well, we always hear ... that if the insider (major shareholder) buys the stock .... it is a good indicator...

well.... if we follow TG here .... doh.gif


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post Mar 2 2021, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 2 2021, 11:59 AM)
  i might have caught too early sweat.gif
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Itchy eh? Catch worm enter bum..... rclxs0.gif

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