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How my sharing? Not good enough? BWC
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Mar 5 2021, 05:15 PM
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Mar 6 2021, 01:27 PM
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Mar 6 2021, 01:27 PM
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Mar 6 2021, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Mar 6 2021, 05:47 PM) Decided to cut profit on Yinson for some cash reserve, and it's failure to shine even after securing a major contract works. Tag me for what?It was the super lagger and i wonder if oil price manage to dive down after the hype, this stock may not be spared too ![]() The reason i picked was due to it's fundamental and the sudden drop due to the contract was terminated, but it has fallen into the shadow of the losing end while others have already enjoy a substantial gain. Is fundamental important? to a investor yes To a trader? might not. i remembered boon3 mentioned that harta was not worthy for a kill? Yes. but i feel safe sleeping with it Yinson? no idea, too much uncertainty... nampak tak bagus, kena potong |
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Mar 7 2021, 09:00 AM
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Mar 8 2021, 09:42 AM
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Mar 8 2021, 10:07 AM
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Mar 8 2021, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Mar 8 2021, 10:15 AM) You got it the other way around.... If only one... you probably won't be buying Yinson... cos it doesn't appear that there's any meat to begin with. you limit your trades... you will learn.... learn to play only when you are sure got good chance to win big. it's like chem stocks... I saw the potential of better earnings... but ... from day one ... I was skeptical on how big a reward i can get. which was why I refused the trade. |
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Mar 8 2021, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Mar 8 2021, 10:39 AM) This i got a to agree. if i have one stock to choose, i will not go bang all at yinson. Perhaps Krono or Inari or even harta (harta was a joke okay, was not meant to trade anyway) But still, i would still buy in the general market or at least if i know there's a uptrend coming along (index fund, which is too bad malaysia doesn't have a proper one that i really like. eg S&P and nasdaq) Therefore, keeping cash now to Aim one Big one in future. Err .... err ..... bottom line is .... no matter what the market, try to be very selective when you trade.... you gotta be very convinced, the setup must be good (more so it's one that you always had won big money b4 in such a setup), the potential reward must be big. Try avoid those KFC trades. (ie trading to win a kfc meal the stock market is not our ATM machine where we can simply go and press money anyhow we like..... |
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Mar 9 2021, 04:26 PM
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Mar 9 2021, 07:06 PM
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Mar 10 2021, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Mar 9 2021, 05:28 PM) TG result. inline with expectation isn't that it?and expectation says RM8 is possible (on average) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « and the dividends.... wasn't it as expected? in the stock market, try not to make an opportunity out of everything ....... many a times, it's just best not doing anything. |
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Mar 10 2021, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(howyoulikethat @ Mar 10 2021, 12:25 PM) Err.... here have a look....The run up since last March... ![]() and the following charts in different time phases shows what happened before March and since then ... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() it started moving down since 2nd March 2021... ( here's what you should do... look at the date and compare with other tech stocks. Is the down movement all about D&O or is it 'sector' related?) .... and yeah.... in a relaxation mode... not thinking much... so I am not give any opinion..... |
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Mar 10 2021, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE(howyoulikethat @ Mar 10 2021, 03:02 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I suppose it's sector related? The techs move pretty closely to Nasdaq's movements. I wonder if they will chase this into another Supermax like last year Just curious, do you take macro factors like USA markets or interest rate in your trading? Or pure chart? Edit: Btw, Boon kor, I should've listened to you when you said "the scientists" have begun forecasting next year. Today, while most "scientists" reduced TPs, some "scientists" reduced their magic numbers so drastically. If only I had cutloss on gloves then... Anyway, thanks coz now I read more critically at those "scientist repot". Tg yesterday report is its 2021 Q2 already. So technically, research houses cannot make anymore reference to 2021 numbers already and any TP will be based on FY 22 numbers. But if you read the below screenshot .... ![]() yeah, as mentioned many, many times b4, they still have some 'leeway' cos their numbers is based on CY22 and not FY22. Which means, technically, the profit numbers is slightly higher. and the HK listing comes so big in focus. See the cash balance in TG latest report? 2.35 Billion ringgit. They have the money what? Why still need the HK listing? What a BS. For me, as an outsider, I see this more as an ego listing for the boss. end result? Massive dilution in earnings! (and those jokers simply simply say HK listing is good) The diluted TP from Kenanga is only 5.80. And the other thing... The boss die die do share buyback and also own self buy and use Tropicana money to buy TG shares. Now see the Balance Sheer again. The money in the 'money market fund' or listed as 'investment securities'. That's a whopping 2.1 Billion there. Now if I include this amount and the fact the boss went amok buying back TG shares, I had been left wondering how come, he die die no touch this money in the money market fund. See, if i am a shareholder of the fund, the biggest concern is... what the hell money market fund is this? TG shares was literally falling off the cliff but the boss did not touch this money at all. Why? Is the money used as collateral? or what? and this money market fund is worth 2.1 Billion mah.... a lot of money there... but the boss rather choose the HK listing and let everyone suffer the massive dilutions in eps caused by the HK listing. Now if I am a shareholder, I probably would not be happy. so what will the company really do with the HK listing money? would because TG will have more money after the listing, will TG be even more aggressive buying back their shares? now that's the scary thought when one factor in how they executed their buybacks and also the current performance of their share buybacks. post #3892 ... the table of the ASP calculation is useful..... |
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Mar 10 2021, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(howyoulikethat @ Mar 10 2021, 03:02 PM) btw keep this link.....and still .... no matter what .... take really all these reports with a large dose of salt.... myself hardly read anymore.... howyoulikethat liked this post
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Mar 11 2021, 08:56 AM
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------------ As per postings #4117, I am tracking the idea of buying TG for its dividends... 1. Purchase of 1000 shares on Dec 2020 at a price of 6.70. Dividend collected so far = 16.5 sen 2. At 5.30, as per posting #4120 , purchased another 1,000 shares Purchase of 1000 shares on Feb 2021 at a price of 5.30. 3. Total shares = 2,000. Cost = 12.00. Average price = 6.00 Dividend collect so far 16.5 sen. Upcoming dividend = 25 sen. |
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 11 2021, 08:56 AM) Simulation squarepilot ...if anytime you think I should top up shares in this simulation, pls let know. ------------ As per postings #4117, I am tracking the idea of buying TG for its dividends... 1. Purchase of 1000 shares on Dec 2020 at a price of 6.70. Dividend collected so far = 16.5 sen 2. At 5.30, as per posting #4120 , purchased another 1,000 shares Purchase of 1000 shares on Feb 2021 at a price of 5.30. 3. Total shares = 2,000. Cost = 12.00. Average price = 6.00 Dividend collect so far 16.5 sen. Upcoming dividend = 25 sen. |
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Mar 11 2021, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Mar 11 2021, 11:02 AM) Trading on gloves has already ended. Now is value investing. Scientist says ASP will decrease. Sudah takde catalyst to goreng anymore in the coming month. However gloves will show its actual value when their financial report beats anal yst estimation. For me... I will monitor kossan and harta. I think this 2 will beat estimation. Speculating... and it's now value investing? how come I never thought about it.... let me say again.... these one/two quarters... everyone knows the profits will be strong.... it's next year that matters.... (p/s this was the exact thing that was mentioned since last Sep la) oh btw.... the 3.50. got factor in the 18% dilution for TG for the HK listing or not? and remember TG is the market leader... when it dies .... kuchi rats like kossan... no 1 cares la.... |
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Mar 11 2021, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Mar 11 2021, 12:20 PM) Contradicting as in posting in a trading forum ah? value investing ah? No la. The reason I bought the 3 big gloves is for long term, I even bought way before the pandemic. Maybe that's why I couldn't even care less about the movement. My mind was thinking undervalued, undervalued and undervalued Was not for trading at the first place. For orna and yinson. Yes it was for trading. That's why once the chart is not nice, straight chop. Sentiment wise, yes when leader dies, all its brother follows. But isn't all already half dead? I think we can agree to disagree with kossan and harta with the earnings. My own calculation shows that kossan and harta will outperform topglove. Whether the market accept the fact or not, I'm just happy to collect the dividends issued by them Many more other counter to tikam mah. What theme next? okay la........ I leave you be..... btw ...... if the glove stocks really collapse... is there a price you think you will admit you are wrong and potong? |
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