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post Aug 19 2020, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 19 2020, 04:42 PM)
like this i rather chase stock with break out of trend line, like GCB brows.gif  brows.gif
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breakout of the upper trend line ... is not necessary a good thing ... we saw it in TG .... no? tongue.gif

this one... multiple flagpole breakouts... thumbup.gif

very nice ... but you might have to be a bit cautious with the declining volume.... icon_rolleyes.gif


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post Aug 20 2020, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(IMBeta305 @ Aug 20 2020, 09:39 AM)
Why would one say, go up but declining volume not good.
but the other would also say go up but with huge volume also not good.

What is the ideal scenario? Can help enlighten?
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Volume analysis can be pretty much subjective, which is why my choice of words was to be 'a little cautious' with the declining volume.

My first interpretation of that said stock was the stock is hitting its highs but yet the volume is lower. Search the net on new high on lower volume.

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Perhaps this is a easier view...

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Price action for me can be pretty much subjective. Each side of the bull/bear camp will always look for the tiniest info, and if they have they will dissect every possible info from the chart.

The cautious or bear side would say 'demand' or the appetite for the stock is clearly declining as the stock hits the new highs...see the last 4 trading day data in the above table.. and as such a correction could be due soon.

The opportunist or bull side will say that it is okay and normal because as stock hits new highs its natural to see some cautious trade. No worries. Volume will pick up again as the stock higher highs.


... going up on huge volume is actually good as it suggests the higher demand for stock has resulted in higher volumes...

Higher volume and the stock doesn't move... is a no no.

There are tons/volumes of info on the net. smile.gif
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post Aug 20 2020, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(IMBeta305 @ Aug 20 2020, 09:39 AM)
Why would one say, go up but declining volume not good.
but the other would also say go up but with huge volume also not good.

What is the ideal scenario? Can help enlighten?
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Forgot to say this....

Volume should not be your main/sole reason to buy/sell your stock...
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post Aug 20 2020, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(IMBeta305 @ Aug 20 2020, 03:19 PM)
okay understand, need to consider multiple factors. Have to do more reading on this.
Always find it confusing when people say. "Volume is abnormal"
other than the volume is more than the daily "normal" volume, idk how else is it abnormal.
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If you equate volume as demand, perhaps it will be slightly more understandable.

Yeah, very often you would hear general commentary that we don't really brain. Dont worry.. it happens. laugh.gif
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post Aug 20 2020, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(kevraul @ Aug 20 2020, 05:50 PM)
Candlesticks then. But of course the volume bar will give another information where you can compare with previous days.

But is there a connection for the volume with rsi out stochastic rsi? Not sure if what I'm asking when makes sense.
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Google how to calculate rsi.. answer is there smile.gif
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post Aug 21 2020, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(kevraul @ Aug 20 2020, 05:50 PM)
Candlesticks then. But of course the volume bar will give another information where you can compare with previous days.

But is there a connection for the volume with rsi out stochastic rsi? Not sure if what I'm asking when makes sense.
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Did you manage to find your answer on the net?
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post Aug 21 2020, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(kevraul @ Aug 21 2020, 09:26 AM)
i didnt fully read up but managed to understand that it's an indicator for overbought / oversold.
how price and volume relate to it, still dont know.
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You did not google..... the right phrase ..... tongue.gif

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If you look at the formula... it doesn't mention Volume at all.....

therefore ..... whistling.gif


it can gets really messy with the indicators....
cos sometimes, when rsi points overbought...
it just means its over bought and it doesn't mean the stock will correct there and then.....

same with oversold....
and there are situations where the oversold stock can remain oversold at a longggg time.

Lastly, the RSI setting can be adjusted ....
laugh.gif .... best you don't touch it until you are fully comfortable with the default setting first....

after that go search 'fast rsi setting' .... laugh.gif

this one ... good read => https://tradingsim.com/blog/relative-strength-index/


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post Aug 21 2020, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 21 2020, 10:19 AM)
Volume is just an indicator, most importantly is the price movement and the chart shape. Speculative stock (Penny stock often appear in top 30 volume) and fundamental wise stock has different chart movement.

If u look at those penny stock, when consolidating time it appear a huge volume, price did not move at all, then your time is wasted if u enter, the best time is to enter when break out. When it up another 50-100%, then the volume increasing, when it reach peak, the volume is huge until share is trading about 30-40% of the total shares, then at this time u need to consider to sell all the stock because u don't know when it will peak.

But then the above stock cannot apply on other stock, quite often those fundamental good counter hardly can trade above 10% of total shares, so when price move up and volume declining, it could mean the shareholders is holding the stock tight.

In summary i would say wary of the stock appear highest volume when the price is at peak.
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That is correct ! smile.gif
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post Aug 21 2020, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 21 2020, 10:21 AM)
My experience on this RSI, i think it is a laggard indicator laugh.gif
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Me? I lose far too many times than I win... doh.gif

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post Aug 21 2020, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 21 2020, 12:02 PM)
Your losing is in buku 555 only

While the real big win money is in your bank account  brows.gif  brows.gif
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You got see meh? rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 21 2020, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 21 2020, 05:45 PM)
i had to wait until closing today to check with you again! biggrin.gif

if u can take a fresh look at TG... for learning purposes.

.. i see 3 white soldiers after 9 days of correction/flat... should be a confirmed reversal, bullish next week!?
.. uptrend is intact.
.. rsi 61 is ok, not overbought.
.. vol is not big but is decent.
.. bonus/split ex-date sep 3.
.. QR sep 17.

i dun see same with any other.

superman is a bit like TG but not as good... i have doubts.
talking of which i make rm50 from spmx today! laugh.gif
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Looks like 3 white soldiers but it isn't...

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First candle is way too long...

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post Aug 21 2020, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 21 2020, 07:20 PM)
they're not?

2nd, 3rd bodies too short?

can call them 3 tiny white soldiers?!! laugh.gif
so much for a beginner...! biggrin.gif
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Too big la laugh.gif

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post Aug 21 2020, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 21 2020, 07:24 PM)
u mean the first one?

ya, too long.... maybe?!
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LOL....

Have a good weekend dude


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post Aug 23 2020, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 22 2020, 11:38 AM)
TG declined from a high of 28.xx for 9 days aug 6-17.

followed by 3 days rise on aug 18, 19, 21 back to 28.00.

that's why i said i saw a confirmed reversal from bear to bull with the 3 white soldiers.

ok... maybe not really 3 askar putih or a distorted one, or fake one... but don't u think it is at least a bit bullish?! biggrin.gif
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At this moment, for me, at this moment, things are looking okay. The stock should easily retest it's previous high. No problem.

But how it does it.... aha.... keep an eye on the volume. As you are aware those 3 candles is built on declining volume...
322m < 261m < 180m .....

the declining volume indicates a waning interest...
where are the buyers?
doesn't it believe TG can go higher and higher?



once again... keep an eye on the NOS issue.... tongue.gif

recap... ppl tell you the glory story of how Repco Holdings was fried from 5 bucks to 140 bucks ...
but no one will tell you...
it was relatively easy...
with a NOS of only 14.2 million, the free float then must have been extremely small....

and guess what? Ever wonder how many shares is there in TSLA?


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post Aug 23 2020, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(XweienX @ Aug 23 2020, 10:12 AM)
If you are holding your stock for more than a day, then of course you need to look at day chart because there is significantly lesser noise than 1 min/5min chart etc. Even if you plan to do FIFO, you can use the previous day's candle to determine your EP and TP for the current day's trading.
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aye to that .... smile.gif
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post Aug 23 2020, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(anakMY @ Aug 23 2020, 10:27 AM)
lol bro hv u started boarding the train again already? Now all the focus is on the biggest 2 😂 . Really curious how the market will perform for this coming week.
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No wo....

Must be losing my touch.... tongue.gif
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post Aug 23 2020, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 23 2020, 10:44 AM)
u still haven't spotted a big win coming?! biggrin.gif

last 3 months, there was gloves... tech, pharma, gold... some sustained, some yo-yo.

off and on, there have been spurts... "sanitizers", "ppe", masks".

latest.. i  read touting... "plantations", "oil" and even "developers".

really... there isn't much going on that actually makes good profits, is there?!

noises, plenty.

seriously, it does not bode well after >6 months.

how the hell is the economy going to recover if there aren't enough engines tocut it.

debt alone cannot do it.
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Ya lo...

Back to TG..... tongue.gif

There's basically nothing 'new' and this I have to say is all due to our lack of quality in the scientists. It's overdone. Giving new TP based on profit revision every couple of weeks early on will have its consequences, in which they set the bar way too high that whatever profit the glove makers will not make/cause any new surprises.. what's the latest profit estimate? It was 800m early on and they just went up and up... now 1.1 billion for q4? I lost count already laugh.gif

It's so high that it's not gonna seduce ppl like me unless it's 20% above their estimates... err... which is gonna reach 2 billion at the rate the estimates keep revising.

Yup... so for me... unless the numbers come in really big and force these already over optimistic scientist to drop their glasses.. TG next QR will be a non price boosting factor.... which is utterly stupid if TG reports a billion in profit for the quarter and these jokers say oh, no big deal, we were expecting much more...

and if the profits don't dazzle how these jokers gonna create higher earnings numbers?

.... and as it is... the 2022 numbers are not even indicating booming numbers....

just some few sen for you to ponder.. M



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post Aug 23 2020, 11:36 AM

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Ps.. Ironically.. there's nothing really new in my morning ramblings...

So all eyes on the QR... laugh.gif
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post Aug 23 2020, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 23 2020, 11:38 AM)
then u probably will truly dislike KOSSAN! biggrin.gif

kossan, QR due mon or tue, i think.

last 3 qtrs PATAMI - 64.8, 61, 49.2 mil.

kenanga gave it TP 17.1... expecting this qtr PATAMI between RM96m and RM116m.
https://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/ptres/56106.jsp

this is a bit worrisome:
21-Aug-2020 Insider EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT FUND BOARD (a substantial shareholder) disposed 935,620 shares on 17-Aug-2020.
21-Aug-2020 Insider EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT FUND BOARD (a substantial shareholder) disposed 353,200 shares on 17-Aug-2020.
21-Aug-2020 Insider EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT FUND BOARD (a substantial shareholder) disposed 261,800 shares on 17-Aug-2020.
21-Aug-2020 Insider EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT FUND BOARD (a substantial shareholder) disposed 228,800 shares on 17-Aug-2020.
21-Aug-2020 Insider EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT FUND BOARD (a substantial shareholder) acquired 335,000 shares on 17-Aug-2020.
21-Aug-2020 Insider EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT FUND BOARD (a substantial shareholder) disposed 639,900 shares on 14-Aug-2020.
21-Aug-2020 Insider EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT FUND BOARD (a substantial shareholder) disposed 346,100 shares on 14-Aug-2020.
21-Aug-2020 Insider EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT FUND BOARD (a substantial shareholder) acquired 1,500,000 shares on 14-Aug-2020.

kossan currently rm16.40.
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In a small pond... 2 is enough la laugh.gif

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post Aug 23 2020, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(anakMY @ Aug 23 2020, 11:43 AM)
It’s all about the sentiment now. Ppl don’t really look into the details in such a bull run. Still plenty of newcomers will pick up the expensive stocks. No idea when the musical chair will stop.
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YES... that is so true... sentiments is important.

However, take a step back... dont we need to ask what's causing the bullish sentiments?

Isn't the fact that glove makers are making obscene amount of money?

And with it... comes the higher and higher target prices set by these scientists?

So for TG... for the stock to push say 35 or 40 levels.. wouldn't it require a brand new catalyst to give the stock the oomph?

For me... it's simple. A big, big number is required from TG.

This is what will create an insane bullish market sentiment and push it to beyond 50 bucks... yup, show me 2 billion profit for Q4.

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