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post Mar 3 2017, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 3 2017, 08:05 AM)
umm u do realize sanchez isnt the only south american they have...
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aye i do, what i meant is that he have lost the pulling power he had on players, and even back then it was mostly on French and young players.

Very few managers have the pulling power to be the main factor behind a player's arrival: Pep, Mou, Ancelotti (maybe?), decorated ex-players who happen to be the idol of the player (Zidane etc). Money, as usual, still play a very very big part though.
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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Mar 3 2017, 09:12 AM)
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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 3 2017, 09:29 AM)
aye i do, what i meant is that he have lost the pulling power he had on players, and even back then it was mostly on French and young players.

Very few managers have the pulling power to be the main factor behind a player's arrival: Pep, Mou, Ancelotti (maybe?), decorated ex-players who happen to be the idol of the player (Zidane etc). Money, as usual, still play a very very big part though.
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ironically, thats what we all thought of klopp...that he could use his star power to attract players...
but we didnt exactly get anything great from germany...

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 3 2017, 09:36 AM)
ironically, thats what we all thought of klopp...that he could use his star power to attract players...
but we didnt exactly get anything great from germany...
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Yeah we dreamed about Goetze, Draxler, Meyer but nthg came out of them.

Not too sure if it's a case of him failing to or not wanting to. He said he was never in for Goetze, and good for us as we have dodged a bullet. Draxler went to PSG for easy trophies - and money - and looks justified.

Let's just wait and see what could he do in the summer. Though i wont expect a top player at his peak to come through the door. Klopp just prefer young players, don't he? bangwall.gif
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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 3 2017, 10:03 AM)
Yeah we dreamed about Goetze, Draxler, Meyer but nthg came out of them.

Not too sure if it's a case of him failing to or not wanting to. He said he was never in for Goetze, and good for us as we have dodged a bullet. Draxler went to PSG for easy trophies - and money - and looks justified.

Let's just wait and see what could he do in the summer. Though i wont expect a top player at his peak to come through the door. Klopp just prefer young players, don't he? bangwall.gif
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klavan and manninger arent exactly young...may be cheap but there are still wages to be paid.
klopp at dortmund also didnt exactly sign all young players...and wasnt adverse to spending for someone older.

just the team doesnt look interesting to play with...there isnt even a proper core in the team.
if anything our 'core' looks like mignolet-lovren-henderson-coutinho...
contrast that to something previously like reina-agger-gerrard-torres...
so who really wants to come play with the current core? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 3 2017, 10:18 AM)
klavan and manninger arent exactly young...may be cheap but there are still wages to be paid.
klopp at dortmund also didnt exactly sign all young players...and wasnt adverse to spending for someone older.

just the team doesnt look interesting to play with...there isnt even a proper core in the team.
if anything our 'core' looks like mignolet-lovren-henderson-coutinho...
contrast that to something previously like reina-agger-gerrard-torres...
so who really wants to come play with the current core? tongue.gif
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But those 2 are not signed as first teamers, gosh i have even forgotten about manninger lol. And yeah, not saying he's adverse to sign someone old, but his preference looks like players of 25 and under, those who still have the lungs to run all day as well as to develop overall.

Agree about our "core" compared to previous years.sad.gif But thing is, unless we have a sugar (oil) daddy to bankroll purchases of top players along with crazy wages, things wont improve overnight. We have to buy smart, let the group grow organically and then add pieces where we could.
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Nobody can deny this.

Since Suarez left, we don't have the player that will carry the whole team, the player that will turn the favour around, the player that will create something out of nothing, the player will score when you least expected it, the player that can motivate the whole team.

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Mar 3 2017, 10:43 AM)
Nobody can deny this.

Since Suarez left, we don't have the player that will carry the whole team, the player that will turn the favour around, the player that will create something out of nothing, the player will score when you least expected it, the player that can motivate the whole team.
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In Short, we LACK of a true LEADER. A General on the pitch.
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Mar 3 2017, 10:47 AM)
In Short, we LACK of a true LEADER. A General on the pitch.
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Dont think that's who we call a leader?? We miss Stevie's leadership that's for sure. But that's not what leaders do?

Game changer is probably the better fit for that purpose? Cout is capable of that, occasionally, but remains inconsistent as ever.
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Henderson is not a good leader? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 3 2017, 11:10 AM)
Dont think that's who we call a leader?? We miss Stevie's leadership that's for sure. But that's not what leaders do?

Game changer is probably the better fit for that purpose? Cout is capable of that, occasionally, but remains inconsistent as ever.
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Coutinho is the kind of player who plays well with great players around and creating space for him then he can work his magic. Without that, he is just another player.

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QUOTE(jimbet1337 @ Mar 3 2017, 01:31 PM)
Henderson is not a good leader? biggrin.gif
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So far still havent filled in the big shoe of Stevie. Dont think u can put him alongside any of our club skipper and says he of the equal... Maybe time can help, and time is on his side

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Coutinho is the kind of player who plays well with great players around and creating space for him then he can work his magic. Without that, he is just another player.
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So the Suarez factor again? 1 and a half season of overperforming leads us to thinking that he could be THE player to bring the glory days back? That's what u mean right? There might be some truth in this hmm.gif

But again, only time can tell.. And we really need to add more game changers to our team. Mane could be one, just look at his first goal for us vs Arsenal, he just doesnt do it often enough?
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QUOTE(jimbet1337 @ Mar 3 2017, 01:31 PM)
Henderson is not a good leader? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 3 2017, 01:39 PM)
So far still havent filled in the big shoe of Stevie. Dont think u can put him alongside any of our club skipper and says he of the equal... Maybe time can help, and time is on his side

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Good leader or not I dont know but with Henderson around our winning percentage is more than 60%

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still have no idea if klopp s good at man management.

lets hope there s no "leicester" shadow here....
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Klopp's pre-match press conference vs Arsenal in BPL:

Jordan Henderson is out of the Arsenal game tomorrow
A decision will be made on Dejan Lovren, who is back training

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It’s too soon for Jordan, for sure.

Dejan had full team training yesterday. We will have to see how he reacts. He will be involved in training again if nobody tells me any different and then we have to make a decision.

He was out for four weeks and will have been training for three days.


Daniel Sturridge is again missing and may not train properly for a week after suffering hip problem
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Sturridge is not training. He was ill, really ill. Now he has a strain his hip muscle. It happened in a rehab session. It’s very small but it keeps him out of normal training for another week. or so, he can train but he won’t be in team training.
Jurgen Klopp admits Liverpool aren’t as free-flowing as earlier in the season and need to be more consistent
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It was a free-flowing start, not too perfectly organised with no bad experience together.

As full of confidence as possible after a pre-season we were convinced we had done the right things.

The Barcelona game wasn’t too long ago, it was another nice game in London. Completely optimistic.

It doesn’t feel that free-flowing anymore but that’s how seasons are. Only Chelsea have that feeling still, all the rest have had better or worse moments in the season.

We have a lack of consistency. We cannot ignore it because we were involved in the games.

It’s not too important to compare the start of the season with this moment. But it’s obviously different.


He dismissed suggestions he doesn’t have enough leaders, or his team aren’t physical enough
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We ran 121km in this game - 80% the wrong way - and had a really bad game.

But in terms of being physical in the challenge, it’s not a general problem. It hasn’t been until now.

In the five games we lost, we had only three yellow cards?

I’ve never forced my players to foul. We are a pretty fair team. In a challenge we want to win the ball, not break a leg.

Being physical means being ready to hurt yourself, not the other player.


Liverpool need to “prove” themselves again
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What do I want? I want that players lead, and strike back.

I saw a lot of times, even when I was a player and i Was real mentality player as I wasn’t that good at football, for me that wasn’t always possible.

You try everything in the game, to have influence from the sideline that they can help each other.

But in the end we have to accept it didn’t work against Leicester.

In an ideal world, you need to be spot on from the first second.

We have these players they do it in different ways. Adam, Milly, Lucas Leiva these three players for sure, with different things. Usually also Roberto Firmino with his attitude, readiness you can give him the ball.

But against Leicester the first ball went five yards away from his foot and you thought ‘what’s that’ It started like this and couldn’t get any better.

I don’t know the last time he did that.

I can’t ignore the game against Tottenham, three weeks ago but pretty much the same players. Should we doubt them in general?

Being consistent is the most important thing, when you have the quality to reach something. Being inconsistent means you struggle.


Says he isn’t a “clown” and his mood is affected by what’s happened in recent weeks

Klopp has had talks with Mario Gotze over the Borussia Dortmund star’s enforced absence





Meanwhile, sugardaddy incoming?
Saudi 'investment agreement' to be announced at Liverpool - here's why

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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 3 2017, 01:39 PM)
So far still havent filled in the big shoe of Stevie. Dont think u can put him alongside any of our club skipper and says he of the equal... Maybe time can help, and time is on his side
So the Suarez factor again? 1 and a half season of overperforming leads us to thinking that he could be THE player to bring the glory days back? That's what u mean right? There might be some truth in this  hmm.gif

But again, only time can tell.. And we really need to add more game changers to our team. Mane could be one, just look at his first goal for us vs Arsenal, he just doesnt do it often enough?
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I don't know. That is just an observation.

Or all we know is that Klopp isn't much of a difference from Wodgers. Can talk and make media like him, make fans feel hopeful. And can only perform in half of the games.
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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Mar 3 2017, 11:14 PM)
I don't know. That is just an observation.

Or all we know is that Klopp isn't much of a difference from Wodgers. Can talk and make media like him, make fans feel hopeful. And can only perform in half of the games.
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Well yeah, at the beginning of Klopp's stint that kinda freak me out. But Klopp has actually achieved something, winning 2 league titles in a row, which is the hallmark for a really good manager. In a way, he also helped to revolutionize Bayern to what they're today.

Meanwhile BR was more like a politician, talk the talk but fell when asked to walk.
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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 3 2017, 11:42 PM)
Well yeah, at the beginning of Klopp's stint that kinda freak me out. But Klopp has actually achieved something, winning 2 league titles in a row, which is the hallmark for a really good manager. In a way, he also helped to revolutionize Bayern to what they're today.

Meanwhile BR was more like a politician, talk the talk but fell when asked to walk.
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Well, winning 2 leagues but still have lower points in 55 games compare to Wodgers.
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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 3 2017, 11:42 PM)
Well yeah, at the beginning of Klopp's stint that kinda freak me out. But Klopp has actually achieved something, winning 2 league titles in a row, which is the hallmark for a really good manager. In a way, he also helped to revolutionize Bayern to what they're today.

Meanwhile BR was more like a politician, talk the talk but fell when asked to walk.
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Bayern? You mean Dortmund?
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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Mar 4 2017, 12:41 AM)
Well, winning 2 leagues but still have lower points in 55 games compare to Wodgers.
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Different league mar. And Rodgers had mighty SAS for the goals for a season and a half

QUOTE(jimbet1337 @ Mar 4 2017, 01:08 AM)
Bayern? You mean Dortmund?
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No, i meant Bayern. His Dortmund pushed Bayern all the way to realize their own weakness and revolutionize to become what they're today, in terms playing style, not financially of course.

As for his contributions to Dortmund, it's already well known biggrin.gif

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