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post Feb 9 2017, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Feb 9 2017, 02:04 PM)
Just read few pages back. Seem investors here avoiding Malaysia market. Maybe time to sell kenanga and eastspring small cap?
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Where did you read this?

Also, Kenanga and Eastspring have followed the trend of FBMSCAP more than FBMKLCI so far this year based on my tracking. So don't just look at the topline performance. FBMKLCI was -2% for 2016, FBMSCAP was down by -8%. This year, it's the other way round, FBMKLCI is trailing FBMSCAP.

The one fund which actually almost mirrors the FBMSCAP performance is CIMB Small Cap Fund. But of course it leaves you very exposed especially since small caps have rallied over the past 45 days in Malaysia.

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post Feb 10 2017, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Feb 10 2017, 05:29 PM)
Unit trust play like stock already lose in sc
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Please don't talk nonsense bro if you don't know. So far I have 0% SC in switching and they're all relatively successful trades.
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post Feb 10 2017, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 10 2017, 04:48 PM)
I entered in mid Apr 2015 and exited in end of Sep 2015.... (CIMB Principle Greater China)
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I am scared this is how my entry into US small caps will be like.

I went in one lump sum on 27 Jan while it was on a peak.
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post Feb 10 2017, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(Eddy924 @ Feb 10 2017, 08:03 PM)
Do u guys think it's worth to pay little bit more sc (5.5 vs 2) on buying the funds with bank? Coz in FSM all depends on personal experience & awareness, while in bank at least there is one person ready for your enquiry, although noted FSM have client support channel via email, however recent enquiry reply like "copy paste" statement, I don't find their advice to me is constructive. But i aware lower SC = faster to break even, to see the return. And my investment plan start with minimal purchase then constantly dump in money for long term investment. Need some suggestion here, do u all start with self study on funds (through FSM) or learn from banker first?
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Many corporate working people who want to purely passively invest do so in banks. My father does with Public Mutual. It's totally normal. But if you're adventurous like us all here, then it's worth going alone for lower costs and greater flexibility.

Btw I think Maybank is 3% and CIMB 2.5%...but maybe their in-person charges are higher, I don't know. I just did with online banking facility. UOB is 3% I believe for in-person.
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Did anyone see this Bank Central Asia crash? Really troublesome lah, BBCA appears in most of my funds. Today was supposed to be a good day, but this is a major loss that is very hard to offset.

https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/BBCA:IJ

It also drag down the entire Indonesia LQ45 index with it. https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/LQ45:IND

To make matters worse I can't find out what the cause of this is.
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post Feb 10 2017, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Feb 10 2017, 08:58 PM)
Don't sweat the small stuff, that is what you pay the fund managers for. I mean seriously, you are obsessing over one stock in a manager's portfolio. If you look at the 5y trend, it's up. It's volatile.. it can drop 20% and recover smile.gif
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Not worried about long term ATM all, I'm more worried about my one day gain! This 4% drop can wipe out gains elsewhere in most portfolios it is in. TA SEA, CIMB APAC, CIMB CII all have it as a top 10 stockholding.
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post Feb 10 2017, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Feb 10 2017, 09:20 PM)
Bro, firstly, you got to stop worrying that much man.
You're starting to sound as if you're holding individual stocks in your portfolio.
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I have 9 UT, just one stock. Very opposite from others. But you're right. Somehow the CIMB CII Indonesian funds are up by 0.2% for the day. Amazing!
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post Feb 10 2017, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Feb 10 2017, 10:33 PM)
There you go. You are worried about one stock in a portfolio of possibly hundreds. That's the beauty of mutual funds, a properly selected portfolio reduces volatility.
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No I mean I am separately holding a solitary stock counter.

Btw if you read all the top investing books, it's better to hold less stocks that you are very confident about to maximise gains. This is what Warren Buffet preaches. Only those who don't know what they're really investing in, should own a diversified portfolio. Same applies to trust funds, and I fail miserably there!

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post Feb 10 2017, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Feb 10 2017, 11:20 PM)
LOL.. one of these days I might join you.. how high can SGD/MYR get.. smile.gif
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Wow, careful there. Who's to say the Ringgit will not appreciate against the SGD going forward?
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post Feb 11 2017, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Feb 11 2017, 12:23 AM)
Reflected so fast? Sure it's not prices for Feb 8th?
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Feb 10th. They are localized Indonesian funds used by CIMBCII. Localized funds get priced on same day in Malaysia, so I assume it's the same case for Indonesia, since in both these countries we don't have to wait for the 1pm GMT official global exchange rate from London (since Malaysian and Indonesian companies do not have a main listing abroad and so the funds only deal with the local currency).

https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/CPSMART:IJ

https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/CIMIDEF:IJ

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post Feb 11 2017, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 11 2017, 08:54 AM)
investors waiting bullish breakout.

http://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/191293

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President Trump has announced that he will be releasing his tax system in the coming weeks. Asian markets have been trending up (too much and too fast in my honest opinion)

Trump Economics
http://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/191233

The coming weeks will be challenging for us all. So load up your ammo. save what you can. place into CMF. when the blood bath starts, buy in.
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Indeed, Asian markets are trending up too much and too fast...but based on my research they are still very much undervalued relative to the US. In fact, looking at the indices, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Malaysia, China and India are all below their early 2015 peak. Plus, China just released favorable trade data on Friday. Plus Trump seems to be warning up to both Japan and China now. So, not really sure what the catalyst will be for a correction in Asia in the near term - perhaps there simply won't be one.
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post Feb 11 2017, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 11 2017, 11:45 AM)
You make a statement, but then says not sure... hence you sound like those kopitiam uncle. All talk but dare not substantiate.

You want to make statement then you need to analyse, come to a conclusion, make inference, make logical deduction etc to back your assertion. If not you sound like kopitiam feller and wasting post count only.

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Wow, wow. Do you even understand what I said?

I made a statement that Asia is undervalued. I made a statement that most Asian indices are below their highs of early 2015. I made a statement that China has released great trade data on Friday. I made a statement that Trump has warmed up to China and Japan.

Four statements. All to back up my point that Asia may still have much room to trend upwards, and that a correction may not be due after all in the near term (1-2 months) in Asia.

I'm sorry but I don't speak in absolutes. Only a fool will do so when speaking about financial markets.

You seem to be a very problematic person to deal with.




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post Feb 12 2017, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 11 2017, 03:37 PM)
I mean, those numbers are kinda iffy lah. Sure, the figures add up, but you must consider, how often can individual stockholders beat or match the market?

Read this article: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why...gain-2017-02-09

Sure, I mean really if you got all the know-how and resources (knowledge + capital + contacts + experience) go directly into stocks, but those guys in Kenanga and Eastspring and CIMB Principal and Affin Hwang have got a dedicated team that visits factories and offices of small cap companies, meet up with senior management once every three months, have got insider contacts in each sector/industry, have extensive financial modelling programs, have access to Bloomberg terminals...need I go on?

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post Feb 12 2017, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 12 2017, 11:28 AM)
I think you are missing the point. The thing is if you are holding for long term (dividend stocks), it will beat growth stocks.

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Got this off a SG financial blogger.
http://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot.com/

Original website:
http://dividendmachines.com/
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Dividend paying stocks are usually your large cap bluechips which are stable and tend to sustain themselves over a long period of time.

Growth stocks are fiery in the short term, and not long after the fire dies. So you can't invest in a growth stock in the long term - you need to know when to get out. Growth stocks are short to medium term investments.

Look at the KGF and Eastspring SC Fund...they're both mainly growth orientated, and are actively managed, such that they outperform the Malaysian market greatly over a large period of time.

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QUOTE(Dividend Magic @ Feb 12 2017, 03:53 PM)
I think that's the main difference between Malaysia's market and the more transparent US one.
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You think Warren Buffet had no insider contacts? Every successful large scale value investor needs insider contacts to get a better sector or industry wide feel.

Mind you, don't confuse insider contacts with insider information. The latter is illegal obviously.
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post Feb 12 2017, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(Dividend Magic @ Feb 12 2017, 03:47 PM)
Hai guys! This thread got awakened suddenly I see..
Firstly, I am one and the same. The blog is mine. =D

The minimum fee for Hong Leong is RM8.48 per transaction now (https://www.hlb.com.my/main/e-broking). I'm pretty sure the other brokerages are charging similar competitive rates already

Now on to the interesting part.. In terms of cost efficiency if you're using RM200 as a base.. of course 2% beats RM8. That's math. Do note that when you reach the RM800 figure, it kinda evens out right. Assuming you take into account  both the purchasing and selling fees. Another way to look at this is, I save up and invest once every 6 months. That's RM1,200 at a RM16 (RM8 x 2) transaction fee. But that's RM24 in fees for you. And that's only the service charges.

I also understand UTs do charge you management fees, switching fees, trustee fees etc. Taking the long term view into account, I do sincerely think managing your own portfolio of shares is much better.

You're also right that the mantra "FM cannot beat the index" is mainly for the US market. But do you really think our Malaysian fund managers are better than their US counterparts? It is unfair to just pick one fund that's performing to represent all funds. If I recall, the statement was something like 99% of all funds can't beat the index in the long term. Anyway, this argument/debate has been going on for decades with no real conclusion. Think it's pointless for us to continue here  rclxub.gif

Hope I covered everything! Really interesting to read everyone's opinions here. Looking forward to more constructive discussions!
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The problem is with Malaysia we don't have an actual index benchmark. In the US they use S&P TR as the benchmark, in Malaysia they just use FBM KLCI as the benchmark, which is totally wrong. The benchmark to be representative must include the Total Returns (I.e. Dividends reinvested). FBM KLCI is only based on capital growth, not inclusive of dividends.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 12 2017, 11:06 PM)
Erm, the bold statement means if you hold 500 shares, and before dividend, share price @ RM1.1, they declare 3% dividend (3 sen), the share price drop 3% (RM 1.07), assume you do not reinvest the dividend and you still hold the same amount of shares, wouldn't your share value now @ 500 shares * RM1.07 compared to if they didnt declare the dividend the share price will remain @ RM 1.1?

And if that happens every year where you use the dividend as your income to support your living instead of reinvesting, would the capital be less than if you reinvest and the gap will get wider as it goes by?  hmm.gif  notworthy.gif

Or did I understand it wrongly?  sweat.gif
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The share price usually picks back up, it's just on the ex-date it decreases by the dividend amount to eliminate arbitrage.

Also, you can't reinvest the dividends into new stocks just like that lah. Stocks have a finite amount, not like Unit Trust where each unit is "imaginary" and the fund will create new units arbitrarily. On top of that stocks have to be bought in lots of 100...so if share price is RM1, with RM33 dividend you won't get a single lot.
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QUOTE(2387581 @ Feb 13 2017, 12:23 AM)
Since there's an ongoing discussion on stock, I have another question I want to ask:

Does the stock price in any way represents a company's total asset?
ie. Amount of stocks held by all investors multiplied by the stock price = company's total asset?

I have more question to follow but before that I need to clear this doubt. For me I think the stock price can be in no way represents the company's total asset, henceforth when the share price increases (stock holders' capital gain on paper), it does not necessarily means the company actually worth that much.

I seem to confuse myself. Let me rephrase. I use an example below:
At IPO, Company A offers 10,000,000 shares at RM1 per share.
The company raises RM10,000,000
Then the shares are being traded in the market for whatever price based on investor's sentiment, at a certain time, it is being traded at RM2 per share.
But the company does not raise more money beyond the initial RM10,000,000 raised because the share is being traded at Bursa at a price more than the IPO price right?
This is something that bugged me too. By right, a company shouldn't bother about its stock price/performance after it already raised the IPO right? So why do they bother?

Based on my research, these are some of the reasons:

1) A large percentage of the stock is sometimes held by the company's treasury or subsidiaries
2) A large percentage of the stock is sometimes held by senior managemenet - therefore, management has the incentive to ensure the stock performs well so that they have a high net worth
3) The market capitalization (total stocks outstanding x price per share) of a company does give it access to higher loans from banks
4) If a stock is undervalued relative to the intrinsic (i.e. fair) value of the company, the company can be subject to a hostile takeover attempt

Amount of stocks held by all investors multiplied by the stock price = the market capitalization of the stock. This is just an "imaginary value" and doesn't actually mean much since obviously the more the number of shares liquidated, the lower the share price will be. It definitely doesn't mean that the company is worth that much.

PS: Try to talk about this in the stock sub-forum, not this thread

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QUOTE(phoenix24 @ Feb 13 2017, 03:21 PM)
Hi guys, I am new to unit trust investment. I plan to submit my account opening form at fsm by probably end of this month / 1st of next month.
I have RM24,000 to spare and here's my portfolio
affin hwang select bond fund - 40%
ponzi 2.0 - 25%
AMasia REITS - 15%
RHB Asian Income Fund - 20%

Any suggestion on improvement for what my portfolio is lacking?
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1st of next month...if the positive vibes in Asia continue it would be about 2-2.5 mths from a constant bullish environment. Lots of things can change. I am NOT saying things will go downhill, but it's worth doing a research closer to the 1st of March, cause there are chances there will be a downturn then. There always is a downturn after a bullish run. The question is, when?

Also I definitely recommend some holdings outside of Asia - at least 20%. Something like CIMB Global Titans, TA Global Tech, TA European, RHB US Focus, Manulife US etc.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 13 2017, 08:14 PM)
my gosh, the gain in kgf and kap chai sweat.gif and also ponzi 1 sweat.gif
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I think we should monitor their liquid assets...once it hits 8%, chances are they will stop rising so much. Currently most of the gains in Malaysia based on my observation is coming from local funds spending their liquid assets. The mean is usually 5-8% in "normal times", but at the end of Nov/Dec it was 20-30% in most local funds. So now the gains are coming as the local funds pour cash into the market. It's a dangerous scenario cause if this is not sustained and the market fundamentals do not improve then eventually we will be headed for another major drop as the foreign funds do profit taking.

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