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Steven7
post Feb 20 2017, 01:04 PM

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Hi guys, very new to UT world here. Was told to come here seeking for more advice, so I have a lump sum of ~50k and was wondering which funds are recommended, its for long term investing till retirement. BTW I saw FSM did provide some sort of specialist advice, how much do they charge and are they any good?

In fact I bought some UT directly from AffinHwang and I was wondering what is the difference with FSM since FSM also sells Affin Hwang UT, is FSM offers lower fee is all? In terms of effort of managing the UT, is it the same between FSM and Affin Hwang?

Thanks.

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post Feb 20 2017, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 20 2017, 02:27 PM)

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I was referred here by some forumer in another thread Fund Investment Corner v3. To answer your question, my risk profile is Balanced and I have roughly 30 years before retirement as I am 26 this year. Okay I will try to contact FSM guys and see what they come up with.

Thanks for all the replies and hope guys welcome "new" investors here. smile.gif
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post Feb 20 2017, 03:10 PM

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Thanks I am glad I have this thread to educate me on UT. BTW FSM reply real fast..they came up with this portfolio for me

Eastspring Investments Equity Income Fund 15%
RHB Asian Income Fund 15%
CIMB Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund 15%
CIMB Principal Global Titan Funds 15%
Libra Asnita Bond Fund 20%
Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund 20%

Any comments on these from all the sifus here?

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post Feb 20 2017, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Feb 20 2017, 03:14 PM)
funny they left out kenanga. i wonder why
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May I know which Kenanga fund you are referring to? It must be good since you surprised they left it out.

BTW, what is the difference of investing in "normal" fund compared to PRS ?
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post Feb 20 2017, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(ehwee @ Feb 20 2017, 03:23 PM)
It is Kenanga Growth Fund

Wonder y FSM recommend a portfolio with 40% bond fund for you?

May be you are looking for a balanced fund portfolio for long term retirement purpose......
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You are spot-on. Perhaps I should list out my situation again, I am on Balanced risk profile, aiming to invest a lump sum (~50k) long term till retirement (topup will still happen time to time). So I guess should look into Kenanga as well, and BTW how diversified you guys are, is having 7 funds on my portfolio...too over? too little?
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post Feb 20 2017, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 03:26 PM)
I think the best balanced fun is xuzen fund.Not too risky and I think is better than this.
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Huh xuzen fund, I saw lots of his posts but not sure which 1 you are referring to. Could you link me please?
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post Feb 20 2017, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Feb 20 2017, 03:35 PM)
should be just right. in terms of bonds, i follow the rule of percentage according to your age, example, if you are 26, your portfolio should have 26% of bonds and when you get older, it increases. But that is just me. i think others don't have this rule. just anything they are comfy with.
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Great rule, thanks for the info. However FSM suggested a 40% bond, a little bit too much?
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post Feb 20 2017, 05:57 PM

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RHB Asian Income Fund
Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund
CIMB Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
Eastspring Investments Equity Income Fund
Manulife India
TA Global Tech

Hi I was thinking of building my portfolios as above, do you guys think its okay/right time to buy them in?


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post Feb 20 2017, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 20 2017, 06:02 PM)
Add in the % for each allocation?
Try read page 37, post 731....something to ponder about while you allocates
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Okay sure..gonna do more research before finalizing the %. BTW in fact I am working in SG now, do you think I should go for FSM SG instead of stick with FSM MY since the funds offered are different.
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post Feb 20 2017, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 20 2017, 07:18 PM)
No, you should go for poems SG.

FSM SG is worse that MY if you ask me.
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Huh, glad to know, may I know why is FSM SG worse? POEMS SG, yes I have heard of them especially on their RSP but I was hesitating as I do not know anyone who can provide me advice on the Singapore front.
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post Feb 20 2017, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 07:24 PM)
Follow puchongite advise. Avoid FSM SG at all cost. That'w what I am doing. I didn't even bother opening account with FSM SG after finding out they are going to charge platform fees vs Phillip SG (that time was 0.75% SC for POEMS. Now it's totally free rclxm9.gif ).

Since you are working in SG don't need to put in FSM MY. I am transferring my money to POEMS SG. Reasons:
(i) wider selection of ufnds
(ii) funds perform better than MY counterpart
(iii) cheaper (0% SC, 0% platform fees, 0% switching fees)

Reason for keeping some in FSM MY:
- Emergency use other than what I have in Maybank eGIA-i

Use info rom FSM SG and buy from POEMS SG. FSM SG information is better.  biggrin.gif
Wrong. Why pay platform fees when POEMS give 0% SC, 0% platform fees, 0% switching fees?  confused.gif  Use FSM SG for their info. Avoid buying anything from them.
Agreed.
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So what you will suggest is to abandon FSM MY and go for POEMS SG in full force?
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post Mar 17 2017, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Mar 17 2017, 10:45 AM)
Want to know what's worst ?

Having a Malaysian think JJPTR > FSM bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif
I know a few people personally with these kind of impression
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I know right? rclxms.gif The people who thought that JJPTR is legit investing is too much, I mean for those who dumped money in JJPTR as a bet that it won't collapse before they get their capital back, those I am okay. But the naive people thinking JJPTR is a legit/reputable investing platform, ugh it digusts me. Come on guys, the name? I really hope they keep reinvest until it collapses.

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post Mar 17 2017, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 17 2017, 10:55 AM)
Apa itu JJPTR? Scam?
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JJ Poor to Rich. Google it, 1 month 20% return yo.
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post Mar 17 2017, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(fense @ Mar 17 2017, 11:38 AM)
out of curious, googled them.
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Stalker alert. BTW I gotta say I have visited FSM SG twice and I seriously, literally envy the guy who works there. The female staff there are really gorgeous af!
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post Mar 17 2017, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Mar 17 2017, 11:03 AM)
I'm surprised you even think they actually 'invest'
well this is what the education system designated to create dumb citizen... and at the same time drain them of their money. So the population is mainly dumb and poor. Then something comes by claiming exclusivity and money, and many of the dumb and poor fell.
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And the worst is, those JJPTR investors thinking they are genius for getting 20% per month, if you tell them you are not interested they get all superior.

COME ON PEOPLE! THE NAME ITSELF IS SO FREAKING OBLIVIOUS!

Ugh they disgust me. doh.gif puke.gif
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post Mar 17 2017, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 17 2017, 01:03 PM)
Do not be envious, for all you know, your friend could be suffering as per this unker


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rclxms.gif rclxms.gif Come on who don't want to be that unker. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif I know I would.
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post Mar 17 2017, 04:12 PM

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Hi guys was wondering where should I park my MYR as I currently am working in SG and has already a FSM SG holder subscribing to their robo-advisory service. But I still have quite a bit of MYR left in the country and not considering converting it to SGD due to the bad rate, but was wondering should I throw in to FSM MY and bear the 2% SC (which FSM SG has 0% SC) or is there any better option?

Note: Not bumiputera, else would throw all in to ASB.
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post Mar 17 2017, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 17 2017, 04:19 PM)
Answer to your note - There are ASx funds that allows non-bumi to invest in, they are usually fully subscribed but you can still try your luck to place your orders. Especially now there's online portal to do it. Look for the Amanah Saham thread and the folks will guide you accordingly

As for FSM MY, personally I'd go for it. Yes, they charge one off sales charge for equity funds, but that means no platform fees. So long run it can work out to be cheaper. There's also switching ninja trick that makes sure you only pay sales charge once for every ringgit you invest in equity fund. but it's tedious la

Unfortunately FSM MY does not offer robo advisory yet, so you will need to figure out what fund you want to invest in and buy them accordingly. There's a list of favorites among the forumers here. Crystal ball's prediction is particularly popular. I can list you mine too but I take no responsibility if you lose money following my recommendation  tongue.gif
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Huh good advice, nice to see you here also. Maybe I will go into FSM MY then, just out of curiosity what is this ninja trick you talked about? BTW where can I see FSM MY fund pick of the month as I only saw the recommendations for 16/17.

BTW can I get a sneak at your list, no blame if anything happens biggrin.gif

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post Mar 17 2017, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 17 2017, 05:22 PM)
Fund choice of the month is published as an article, you can see it on the home page under Funds and personal finance. This month's
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...arch-2017--8056

Ninja trick basically mean making use of the credit system that FSM MY has, that everytime you intraswitch within the same fundhouse from an equity fund to a bond fund, you get credit points so that the next time you intraswitch from the bond fund back to equity fund you don't have to pay sales charge again

Some forummer discovered that say if you want to switch from EQ fund from fund house A to EQ fund in fundhouse B which is an interswitch, traditionally you'd need to pay sales charge
But if you are not time sensitive, you can do the following
EQ fund in fundhouse A intra-switch to bond fun in fundhouse A (get credit point)
Then bond fund in fundhouse A interswitch to bond fund in fundhouse B (no sales charge)
Bond fund in fund house B intraswitch to equity fund in fund house B (utilise credit point)

Trouble with this is, it takes about T+4 for each transaction to be recorded before you can move to the next transaction; so all in would take you maybe 2 weeks to complete and by then the prices would have fluctuated and you may lose out as a result. That's the cost of trying to save sales charge

Some of my personal fav includes:
Affin Hwang Select bond fund (aka Esther bond) - stable and around 6% annualised return; some exposure in both MY and asian bonds
Affin Hwang Select Asia (Quantum) fund (aka ponzi1.0)- small and medium cap; some exposure in both MY and ASEAN equity
RHB Asian income fund - mainly bond and REITs, fairly stable; but you can buy the mother fund in FSM SG also
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income (aka ponzi2.0)- Asian equity fund; quite consistent and covers different type of companies than ponzi 1.0
CIMB global titans fund - developed market equities (US, Europe, Japan); the better ones among the global funds
EI Small cap (aka kapchai) - Msia small cap
RHB Islamic bond - local sukuk

Since you have lots of exposure on asia and global funds I'd recommend for FSM MY you focus on those that you can't buy in FSM SG; particularly Esther bond, ponzi 1.0, kapchai
ponzi 1 only increase by 1%; it's Asia Pac Eq income that increase by 2.4%. Not quite my fav fund, but did make money recently
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That ninja trick..is very tedious. Thanks for the education, won't gonna try it tho.

Thanks for the comprehensive list and justifications, do you think its a good time to buy in on those funds right now? BTW how often do you switch funds or what scenario would make you switch? I am asking this because of the associated switching fee and I think it would accumulate to quite some amount.
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post Mar 19 2017, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 17 2017, 06:51 PM)
Esther bond anytime is fine to buy, it's VERY stable  tongue.gif
In hindsight, 6 months ago was the best time to buy, so I won't put all the funds in at one time now. Maybe set a RSP to put in slowly for the equity funds; in the meantime you can just keep the funds in CMF, it earns about 3.3% interest per annum. Some would argue REITs fund is good too; and india...

In terms of composition you can take a look at FSM's recommended portfolio

I don't switch regularly. I'm the type who just park there and unless the fund really underperform against its peers otherwise I'd just top up accordingly to meet my desired portfolio allocation. I do try to use credit ninja trick, but the credit just stays there and I hardly utilise them.

Unless if you keep switching; otherwise the sales charge of every dollar you invest in FSM MY shd hardly exceed 2%; with the assumption that you have some bond fund exposure and sometimes your purchase coincide with sales charge discount and you manage to get some tier discount knowing how much you invest in FSM SG  brows.gif
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Yeah I looked at FSM's recommended portfolio and I liked the feature where you can mirror it and they will also notify you when they rebalance it, making it semi robo-advisory, I guess. I am the same re not switching often, I am not planning to micro manage my UTs at FSM MY as its just a small amount of what I have left on MYR.

Am creating an account and will start soon in FSM MY.

No la, just a small fish in FSM SG. biggrin.gif

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